what is wrong with our leaders?

[ZaniYar]

Emmunah I do understand what u saying, but our patience has limit. We try to pretend forget about the past and encouraging this two tribes to work together and let the ppl live in a safe inviroment. Four months has past yet they don't wanna reuinte thier adminstrations and yet their sheeps praising them from Europe. This what makes me angry and I have many reasons to be coz as myself and my family suffred alot for the sake of kurdistan and freedom and Kurdish people can't afford another disaster.

[Vladimir]

Kak zaniyar, can you also tell me more about Komala Islamic Union of Kurdistan or smth. They had a area near the Ansar Al-Islam terrority.. recently there was a article about him and he said he was no terrorist, but I don't believe him actually... because wasn't the Komala Islamic Union formed out of Ansar??

Anyway it's also true that KDP and PUK gained a lot of power. I know a journalist from KDP - Kurdistan tv.. they always saying they are in favour of Kurdistan and PUK followers say Talabani is playing a political game, but he still wants Kurdistan. After all these kind words against the Turks, Iranians... the PUK/KDP followers are still blinded. They really think they are going to get Kirkuk? We shall see, but even the Americans don't want Kirkuk in Kurdish hands I think..

[ZaniYar]

Kak zaniyar, can you also tell me more about Komala Islamic Union of Kurdistan or smth. They had a area near the Ansar Al-Islam terrority.. recently there was a article about him and he said he was no terrorist, but I don't believe him actually... because wasn't the Komala Islamic Union formed out of Ansar??

Anyway it's also true that KDP and PUK gained a lot of power. I know a journalist from KDP - Kurdistan tv.. they always saying they are in favour of Kurdistan and PUK followers say Talabani is playing a political game, but he still wants Kurdistan. After all these kind words against the Turks, Iranians... the PUK/KDP followers are still blinded. They really think they are going to get Kirkuk? We shall see, but even the Americans don't want Kirkuk in Kurdish hands I think..

Kak Vladimir I guess u talking about Ali Bapir, right?

The history of this islamist goes back to 1983 they were active all around Iraq and Kurdistan and they were called Ikhwanil Muslimin. Hoever Halabja and other Kurdistan places were close to Iran's border they were very active, because Iran was backing and helping them. In that time as any other political group Saddam responded them harshly. Anyway, There was a mosque Cleric in Halabja in that time ( malla Ali Abdul Aziz), he had a great bound with Baathies and Saddam'f family. He was always prasing Saddam in his Friday prays and Saddam's father in law asked Bathiaes in Halabja to escort him every time he come to public with a sowrd , which was gifted to him by Saddam. however, I remeber in 1984 an uprasing took place in Halabja, as usual Bathies responded harshly as the result they captured many students and young ppl and at the same day they massgraved them outside of the twon. It just didn't take long for the helicopters to comebobardment the town. There was a suburb called ( Kani Ashqan) Bathias decided to blow up every house there and they did it in couple of days... and the whole ppl of that suburb fled to Iran at night.

After a while ppl heard that Malla Ali abdul Aziz has fled to Iran. Everybody was confused that guy himself was Bathiaas how he fled to Iran?!!!!.. Then ppl found out that he was working for Iran as well. Didn't take so long we heard that Malla Ali has founded Haraktul Islamiya( Islamist movement) with help of Jalal Talabani and Iranina regime. Then all Islamist around Iraq and Kurdistan gradually found their way to get contact with them and they did untill they brought disaster to Halabja 1988 with Iranian Passadars.

In the 1991 uprasing, this time they come back more organised with lots of supportes great financial support by Iran and Suadi Arabia. In that time still Malla Ali Abdul Aziz was in charge. many ppl didn't like Malla Ali Abdul aziz even among his supportes coz of his past pond with saddam's family, therefor they took a smart move they chose Malla Osman the brother of mala Ali as the leader. Then they started their activties and killing women, bulding mosques, blowing up the sinamas as well as women's hairdressors and killing all the intellectuals and communist. However till they engaged the fighting with PUK... after Puk captured their leaders and all headquarters they all fled to Iran and Halabja. Then Mulla Krekar came out as the first aggressive Jihadest and this Ali Babpir u talking about came as the second Jihadest. They started killing, beahding and excutions more aggressively. Meanwhile over the power they started conforting eachothers verbally and division became serious gradually till 1994 then in that time I left Kurdistan and came out.

All in all, he is a criminal and has blood on his hands. There are many documents archived while he was in charge what took place. I remeber once we found several cropse of young ppl they cut off their male genetic in tawella and one of them was my cousin , coz they were Puk.

U know kak Vladimir, there is a guy calls Salahadin Bahadin, whom now leading that Komalay Islami? After the collapse of Saddam they found his file in Baghdad that he was a Bathiaas and his file reveald in Kurdish media in English. These gangs are all terorists and have bloods on their hands... but after they taste the American's cruise missile and their ass was kicked they don't ve gut to mention Jihad, on the contrary they call themselves modern or scholar Islamist ... they just pretend they wanna play political games.

Kak vladimir that is all I could help and sorry for the long post. I hope that I ve told u something new.

Malla Ali Abdul Aziz is different with Ali Bapir. Malla Ali still lives in Halabja and during the Falujja fights.. he was praising Faluja ppl for their tough stands against the Americans. Also many ppl in Halabja hate him and want him to face justice, coz what they did to Halabja in 1988.

[Vladimir]

Damn, thanks for your post. I don't get it why the Guardian makes such a positive article about him.. and I even posted it on a Kurdish website , but I only used it..
I hate these kind of people who use religion for political power and bad things.

[ZaniYar]

Damn, thanks for your post. I don't get it why the Guardian makes such a positive article about him.. and I even posted it on a Kurdish website , but I only used it..
I hate these kind of people who use religion for political power and bad things.

Well they don't pay them attentions till they became another Bin ladin and also they don't care who they killed or kill as long as they are not threat to USA and other westren countries. I believe they also ve rights if they don't care. This is job of KDP and PUK to take care of, but Talabani and Barzani worked hard for his release and ultimately they did. Talabani is in favor to saving Saddam's life. So do u think he would give damn what Ali Bapir has done and what his past? I don't think so, They still wanna solve every matters in a tribal and teradtion wayrather than to face justice.

[Diri]

Well this was a very informative and interesting article - I am sure that they will never again be able to go to Kurdistan - they would be hanged by the people... And Mullah Krekar is in Norway now... He lost his trial so he will be sent back to Southern Kurdistan. He even had a trial with a Norwegian Politician - Because the Politician had called him a "terrorist" and Mullah Krekar sued him - BUT he lost the trial... And it isn't strange at all - he IS a TERRORIST! THAT BASTARD!!!

I hope they send him back soon so that a Kurdistani trial can be held against him!

[arcan_dohuk]

he should be assasinated.

[bamerni]

i'm not very intersting with Political stuff. But there is something wrong with our leaders. They have been fight since 1993 and they will contuine Continue disagreeing with each other.

[Jagarm]

Our leaders they agree 1 day and the next day they will continue their disagreement. If our leaders continue to be like this, then tommorow if the war starts again we won't be able to help each other, rather we will be fighting with each other like the old days.

I just hope some day both agree and that would be their final decision.

[Mosul]

Diri you should not have to apologise, zaniyar does not respect other peoples religion, saddam might be in jail and awaiting execution, but he won in the long hand,making kurds like you insult there own religion openly.

[Vladimir]

Islam isn't the only religion that the Kurds follow. It's isn't their "own" religion. I don't get what Saddam has to do with this, because as I recall he didn't started building mosques or being a "true" believer.