New constitution prevents citizenship for Jews, says MP

[kardox]

dear Emmunah dont worry , i will open my house to you , no one on earth should have the right to do injustice towards us again. Thx for posting the picture, they look so kurdish, it is not for me possible to see any differences. You know what, to hell with Iraq, you can come to kurdistan if you want , all of you . I strongly believe that the majority of kurds think the way I do.

best wishes

[heval]

But, you know...almost all the kurdish jews went to Israel...

You know a while back I was with a friend and we were speaking Kurdish. A Jewish women asked us what nationality we were and we said we were Kurdish. Then she said that she thought it was a religion. And we asked her why she would think that. And she told us she is from Israel and over there, the Kurdish people often keep to themselves and have their own events and people assume that they are a separate sect.

Just curious, do you know if this is true? Do Israelis actually perceive their Kurdish population this way?

[dyaoko]

Just curious, do you know if this is true? Do Israelis actually perceive their Kurdish population this way?

I asked the same question from the jew that I talked to , he said
"thank god , it is good , we are all jew, you know here we all are jew ! we have freedom it is good ! ....but anyway there are always discriminations for kurds (and middle easterns)... I myself work in a factory like a donkey from morinng to night...but thank god it is ok ...here we all are labor...but we are free"

[Mosul]

all iraqi jews deserve to be citizens of iraq, they are not like european jews, they are good people and deserve to return to their homeland.

[Emmunah]

Yes, I think it's true that in Israel there is some differences, but i'm not sure that's still so true. When you look at the immigrants from different areas, you can see that some came with little or no skills and many traditions that were in line with their former countries. That usually meant that the babylonian jews prefered to hang out with the arab populations (with whom they had more in common) and the europeans tend to hang out with the europeans. Yet, there are plenty of opportunities for everyone, it just depends on the same things as anywhere, how much school and how much ambition, and that is also a cultural thing. There are many famous Israelis from arab/muslim/babylonian/persian decent...unfortunately, they come in two varieties...hardliners who hate the arabs for what they suffered (they tend to be more religious) and those that have too positive a view on that subject. Not many in the middle. I am sad to say that the Kurdish and Iraqi Jewish populations in Israel are aging and the younger generation just think of themselves as Israeli...it would be a shame to lose the traditions, langage and culture....but they do a lot of things to preserve the traditions...there are museams and associations for kurdish jewry, and Newroz and it is a national holiday in israel but the calender differences make it occur at odd times.

[Diri]

At odd times?

When do they "celebrate" it? In the middle of January?


But I am sure that there are more Jews who would wanna live in Israel any day then those that would want to live in Iraq... Which probably are VERY few... Why be captive in Babylon when you can be in the land of the Milk and Honey?

[Dilsad]

Emmunah, you mentionned that Newroz is a national holliday in israel?
Really?

D....

[Emmunah]

Yes, in Israel it is called the Seharane, and here is some info:

It was not until the intermediate days of Succot in 5735 (1975) that the first Seaharane was celebrated in Israel. Since that first occasion, it has become a public celebration, visited by religious and political dignatories, and marked by picnics, accompanied by traditional music and dancing. It is also an opportunity to join in with, or clap hands along with the musicians and dancers in the traditional dress of wide turbans, loose girdled shirts and loose trousers, as they pipe the zerna, drum the dola, and move gracefully among the crowds.

Once again, the Kurdish Jewish community is able to dance and sing to the sounds of their compelling music, and to offer the hospitality for which they are famed, but now as a mainstream Israeli celebration as the whole country is on holiday to join in. Celebrations this year (2004) will be held at Tzemach on October 4th-5th.

more info:
http://www.jafi.org.il/education/festiv ... arane.html

[Piling]

Seharane ? nice, it sounds like "seyran", and Newroz day is day of seyran (picnic) too. BTW, the ancient Mesopotamian calendar is the same for Babylone, Hebrew, and Iranian ppl.

[Kurdistany]

This news is so sad.. it gave me tears in my eyes when i read all your posts.

i really hope all Kurdistan and Iraqi Jews can come home to their homeland.

btw. doesn't south Kurdistan have its own constitution ?

[dyaoko]

Seharane ? nice, it sounds like "seyran", and Newroz day is day of seyran (picnic) too. BTW, the ancient Mesopotamian calendar is the same for Babylone, Hebrew, and Iranian ppl.

you know hebrew and arabic langauges are relative .(like cousins)
I think "Sehraneh " is the hebrew version fo rthe Arabic word "Sahra"
"sahara" means outside of city...where you go to pickic...

and also it may be the hebrew version of the arabic word "Sahar" which means "Dawn"

[dyaoko]

btw. doesn't south Kurdistan have its own constitution ?

Kurdistani it isnt like that we can do what we want...in a federal governemnt...
like we can NEVER NEVER have Isareal embassy in Iraqi Kurdisatn , because we can have JUST embassies that there is a Copy of them in Baghadad .

we cant have connection with a country that Baghad is in fight with them.