Iran's new president snubs Kurds

[Mosul]

kurdi is an indo-persian language, as farsi,puktoon,balochi,urdu, and hindi are. All the kurds look up to iraqi kurds, we did the most for kurds everywere. And no you are wrong, kurds have no right in any mid-east country except the present Iraq. Look iran wont allow any kurds in the new government is that the rights you speak of?? we have rights in turkey? are you joking me? im not even going to respond to that, i know you know alot better brother.

[Diri]

YOU ARE IGNORANT!

IT IS CALLED INDO-IRANIAN NOT PERSIAN!

And as I said - ON PAPER WE HAVE THOSE RIGHTS - AND KORDESTAN PROVINCE HAS AUTONOMY...


You just don't know what you are talking about... You have no idea/knowledge of how it is in Northern and Eastern Kurdistan... SPEAK FOR SOUTH KURDISTAN!

Again you are quite the ignorant person to say that "Southern Kurds have done all the work"... Then please tell me where the FIRST Kurdish Republic was established---> oh wait a minute - I KNOW - Mehabad in Eastern Kurdistan... And WHO HAS DONE MORE UPRISINGS??? Oh - wait I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT TOO! It was Northern Kurds... They have done more uprisings than South and Eastern Kurdistan combined...

And THE ONLY REASON SOUTH KURDISTAN has had a better chance of becoming what it is:

1) Mosul Vilayet was not attatched to a specific country in the begining - so that gave reason for demands when it was glued to Iraq.

2) South Kurdistan is three times smaller than Northern Kurdistan and two times smaller than Eastern Kurdistan.

3) Because of the smalleness of it there has not been much internal disagreements between the Southern Kurds.

4) Kurds and Kurdish were acknowledged at the begining of the century - unlike Northern Kurdistan where people were jailed/tortured/murdered for being Kurds and for speaking Kurdish.

5) The Kurdish genocide started in Northern Kurdistan.

6) Southern Kurds have had better social and cultural rights than any other from the early 1900 - they have been granted autonomy by several of the goverments etc etc etc...

You know what??? With all the upperhands you guys have had through 85 years I think it is embarrasing for you to not have been liberated untill now... What took you so long? You have been under SUPER conditions all along and you didn't manage to get your act together untill 1999...

You should be ashamed that it took you so long... But here you are shamelessly accusing us of not doing enough... I wanna swear at you - but I will be content to know that you don't know Kurdish well enough to know that we say "Shev/Roj/Êvar bash" instead of "Selam"---->

[heval]

Honestly, I don't like getting involved in these fruitless debates but I was the one that opened this topic and I am not quite sure how it turned into a conversation about which Kurd is the better Kurd.

The situation of our people differs in every part of Kurdistan. It is really an arrogant statement to say one region has "fought harder" than another region. All Kurds have fought hard and have been successful and have failed at different times. We should just be happy about what's going on in Southern Kurdistan.

[Diri]

RIGHT!.... STOP THE TRAIN TO ARROGANT CITY IMEDIATLY!

I am glad that things have turned out as they have in South Kurdistan - I consider myself happier than all of you, because these event's they are irreversible... Kurdistan is at her best right now... And a nobody can deny Kurds their rights anymore... The whole world is watching - We must be at our best behaviour! And KEEP being an example for the broader Middle East... Kurdish unity is paramount - if we can't stand and defend eachothers backs - then we can say bye bye to brotherhood and autonomy...

Heval - no, they don't have it, not practicaly speaking - they do however on PAPER and also in Turkey Kurds have more rights on PAPER... I never said that they had in reality... But they do have "autonomy" for EVERY region/province in Iran... Kordestan is just one of 6 Kurdish provinces... Ilam, Kermanshah, "West Azerbaijan", Hemedan and Lorestan also enjoy (on paper - I don't now how they put it in practice) lesser autonomy...

It is based on a social and "communist" style if you like... Power to the regions - but in reality the Clergy has a firm grip around every single one of them... Both men and provinces...

[Delal]

I have never heard of an Indo-Persian or Indo-Iranian language, techically (as in the linguistic circles) the term is Indo-European.

[Diri]

Well... Let med enlighten you


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Iranian_languages

[Delal]

Oh, it is a subgroup...cool.

[dyaoko]

Mosul , it is not Indo- Persian it is Indo-Iranian .

being Iranian is not a bad ! Iran means the land of the Aryans.
if Persians call Kurds Iranian ..it is ok ! we kurds infact are the Owner of Iran.we kruds are Aryan , Iran is our land ! Dyaoko was the Founder of Iran .

but if Persians calll us -Fars (Persian)- it is bad...

and mind that kurdistan word is not such a historical word....before that our landname was "Medya" ...

I myself as an Iranian Kurd, wont be happy to make a Wall between Iran and Kurdistan.... If iran respect Kurdish Rights, and let Kurds to have their Ancient Location in Iran , I would be happy to call myself iranian .

i think a Federal Government in Iran would be so great...one would be called Persia and other would be called Kurdistan or "Medya" and Azeri ppl can have the same federal section ...
there is no honour in Devision, ....having a seprate independece place would be my last choice .

To Mosul :
recently we are agreeing more than before

but anyway, Dear Mosul , Iran is not that Agnel that you think , Currect Iran is evil. i remeber you told me "if my parent now what I am doing they would take shit in my mouth ..." because I didnt agree with you about ayatollah khomeyni....you said he is a great man and stuff...

I think you "need " to read about what he has done to kurds...and what he has said... read the book that I told you...

[heval]

Medya, I understand what you are saying. And I think Kurds from Southern Kurdistan are reflecting the same thoughts - it's okay to be Iraqi as long as there is a federal Kurdistan state and the Kurds have their rights.

but they will still be the largest nation without a country...

[dyaoko]

Medya, I understand what you are saying. And I think
The meaning of "Iranian" has changed

very true, iranians in 25 years ago knew nothing of their own history....all they know about themself was Shia ISlam...and they opressed us by thier Shia Islam.

but remember Qasemlu the KDPI leader said it 25 years ago "if you think Kurds are for sepratation from iran ,come here and see who is more irainan kurds or you.... you who your cluture been replaced by islam and shia while we kruds are first kurd then muslem...."

it isnt like that Kurds are going down day by day.... that sentence of Qasemlu in 25 years ago ,was repeated by khatami , 8 years ago...he said "noone in iran can say they are mroe iranian than kurds"

whats the meaining of that ? i dont say khtami did something for kurds... khatami just fooled kruds with words...
but but but....at least they no longer Dismiess it...25 years ago , khomyyni say kurds are kafir... and they msut be killed...(he refferd to qasmlo...and now they have to use his words....)

whatever....Kurds in Iran has had the better condtion thatn other kruds in other parts...

let look back to history.... kurdistan never been independece in history.
and during the history it ALWAYS was a part of iran . UNTIL the fucking Turks came to the region and until they made Othman Empire...

after othman empire started a war with Iran , they stole a part of kurdistan from iran ....

and after that ...biritish governmetn divided othman empire to turkey- iraq - syria ...
but the iranina part of the kurdistan is still a part of iran...

if you want my idea.... Kurds should come back to Iran...
and Define a New meaning of "Iran" and "Iranian" and ask their place in iran.... belive me we can get so much support from nationalist iranians aagainst turks....

yeah I know I am dreaming....but ....every kruds everywhere wants independece.....and thats normall.... I am just trying to say a diffrent idea... that may work out ! but as every kurd in the world i dream for a country for myself.