Demonstration of all independent minded people

[tomjez]

"Muslim animals " I once heard in the mouth of a french armenian. It's not me!!!

I know a lot who would

You still didn't answer: WHAT DO YOU DO OF CURRENT POPULATION OF "WESTERN ARMENIA" (center Seleukian Empire)

[Armenian]

HOW could you pretend annexing a land that does not contain a single armenian????

"Van is an armenian city": no its not!!! Yes it WAS. Is there a single armenian in Van? Did YOU go to Van??? Or to what you call "Western Armenia". I did. Didn't see one.

Why do you think there are no Armenians living in Van now. Because you Turks wiped out all the Armenians from there, you sick bastard.

[Armenian]

You still didn't answer: WHAT DO YOU DO OF CURRENT POPULATION OF "WESTERN ARMENIA" (center Seleukian Empire)

That's not up to me to decide. That's up to Armenian and Kurdish leaders to decide. I'm sure they could work out a compromise.

[tomjez]

YOU TURKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not turk!!!!!!!! I'm french! I live in turkey, and I always fight with fucking greywolves. Against a turkish nationalist I defend Armenian genocide. I have an honest an realistic position, and I hate all hatrous and murderous nationalisms. For me Dashnak and Grey wolves are the same: when they have no arguement anymore (always quick!!!) they use insults and violence.
If ottoman armies had not been stronger, armenian millices would have killed every turkish or kurdish in the area. The contrary occured.
You recognize there is no armenian in Van. So what do you plan to do with it???

[tomjez]

A compromise?
OK Kurds, you leave your houses, Armenian of L.A are coming back

[Armenian]

You recognize there is no armenian in Van. So what do you plan to do with it???

I just told you the reason why there are no or very few Armenians in Van. BECAUSE OF GENOCIDE.

OK Kurds, you leave your houses, Armenian of L.A are coming back

You sound like an imature kid. Who said that all the Kurds should move out and the Armenians from L.A shoud move to Van? This problem is a very serious problem with may details. Like I said the leaders of Armenians and Kurds should work all those problems out. You or me can have many suggestions and idea, but there are maaaany things we don't know. So my suggestion or yours are very useless.

[tomjez]

I know there is no armenian in Van because of genocide. You should not call me immature kid though. I travelled in "western armenia" and kurdistan (turkish and irakian) will you stayed on west coast. So I may have more contact with the reality of your fantasmatical future country. Maybe just a trip in this area would convince you that you live in a dream...
Talk about leader of armenians and kurds now. Who? Agop Agopian (no wait, he's dead) and Öcalan (no fuck,he's in jail on a island)...
And I hate taking turkish side, but you make me laugh: it's currently a turkish territory, even if it was done with mass killings or genocide! Don't take this patronizing voice by saying "it's a very serious problem": not it's not. It's fantasm, it only exists in the heads of a few guys that are living in their head in a fairy country. Reconquest of western armenia is not a serious issue.
Indeed there are many things you don't know, and your suggestions are indeed useless.

[Armenian]

Listen you clown. I can smell the Turk in you from the mile away. Don't pretend to be French or from some other country. I know I will see the day wehn Western Armenian is united. I also hope that Kurds and Assyrians finally will get a country of their own. I know you are Turkish. I can tell your pathetic, fascist nation from the other nations very easily. I have much respect tom French people. Your retarded behind sure don't belong to those friendly people. Why are you so ashamed to admit that you are a Turk.? Ohh I know why. Because your dirty nation is an embarassemet to a human race. Now go drink your milk and got to bed you pathetic waste of human life.

[tomjez]

Well I'm SORRY. But I'm really french. Maybe a pathetic waste of human life but French (which is often not contradictory indeed). How can I prove it?

Je sais bien qu'un abruti dans ton genre n'a que peu de chance de parler ne serait ce qu'une langue étrangère mais que fi, avec un peu de chance quelqu'un reconnaitra ici qu'il est assez improbable qu'un citoyen turc emploie ce style ampoulé pour s'exprimer en français.

It's funny two years ago I was fighting on a fucking grey wolves forum of turkish immigration in France. They were so angry they thought I was a Kurd. They also started to insult me when they saw they could not be superior in mind. If I am always seen as the ennemy of the dumb....

"your dirty nation is an embarassemet to a human race": well at least we know what you intend to do in western armenia

Anyway some moderator of the forum know me, they know I'm far of being turkish...what's more how could I be turkish and a friend of Kurdistan all over it and learning kurmanci...

And hey: I've no problem with armenia or armenians: I love their music, I play Duduk for 2 years know....

[abdur]

Some guys have a very selective sight and only see what they want to see...

Like I said the leaders of Armenians and Kurds should work all those problems out. You or me can have many suggestions and idea, but there are maaaany things we don't know. So my suggestion or yours are very useless.

I still want to know what a reasonable solution is for you in this case. You wrote about the reunion of Western Armenia, can you write about this in a little more detail?

[tomjez]

Don't ask too much, he just has know idea!

[Armenian]

And hey: I've no problem with armenia or armenians: I love their music, I play Duduk for 2 years know

Like I said I Armenians love and respect France and French people, but you came a little strong at me.

By the way I just remembered. 2006 is going to be YEAR OF ARMENIA in France. That's how much our nations respect each other. And don't forget the French-Armenian Charles Aznaour.

[Diri]

Okey - before you two get TOO intimate... With your French and Armenian lovefeasts -


We are not in the year 1500... And we are not in the year 1500 BC... So let's stick to facts...

Western Armenia or Northern Kurdistan?

Is/has:

* Inhabited by Kurds - and has been for the last 4000 years (Since the conquest of the Medes in 3000-2000 BC...)

* No Armenian population.

* WAS by majority of population Armenian untill 1915 - But with a strong second place for the Kurdish population.

* Kurds would never accept to give up these lands.

* Armenians number ca 5 millions worldwide - correct me if I am wrong...

* Kurds number ca 35 + millions...

* Armenians HAVE a state...

* Kurds DON'T...

Have you heard the saying "Those who wait the longest will harvest the most..." - ERGO - Northern Kurdistan - Not Western Armenia...

I LOVE MY ASSYRIAN, ARMENIAN, GREEK, HEBREW brothers and sisters - BUT - PLEASE BE REASONABLE... YOU WILL GET AS MUC HAS YOUR POPULATION AND MAJORITY SAYS YOU SHOULD GET...

KARS IS WESTERN ARMENIA AND SOME AREAS AROUND IT...

NINEVEH PLAINS ARE ASSYRIA - FROM NINEVEH TO ASHUR AND HATRA...


HER BIJÎ KURDISTAN - HER BIJÎ ERMENISTAN Û HER BIJÎ ASHÛR!

[Armenian]

Come on Diri. You know the reason very well why they are no Armenians in Western Armenian that is currently is inhabited by Kurds. And you got to admit that Turks promised those parts of Western Armenia if they helped the Turks out to wipe out the Armenian population from those areas. I can tell you one thing, Armenians will never rest untill we get our land back, uncluding our Mt. Ararat. Unfortunatly our ancient churches, monuments and other historic things are being destoyed there every year
to destoy any signs traces of Armenians.

[tomjez]

Armenians will never rest...Come on I'm sure you sleep very well.
With your arguments Berbers have a right to wipe out Arabs from Morocco and Algeria, Copt to wipe out arabs from Egypt, Bretons to anihilate englishs in Great Britain, Irish can exterminate the settlers in Northern Irland, Turks can go back to Mandchouria and genocide the chinese....and the remaining indian american should ask 250 000 000 of new comers to get the fuck out of here.
If we push it a bit, I'm from celtic extraction. 2000 ago maybe more all europe was occupied by celts. german, francs, avars came afterward and forced us to live in the far west of the world : brittany, ireland, wales, scotland...come on celtic brothers, let's reconquer austria and hungary