release of Ocalan is the 1st step to solve the Kurdish issue

[Anthea]

Anthea, very true! if it was not PKK Kurds would be forgotten in North and they would be mountain turks. Oclean was one of the many who scarified to spread the voice of resistance and rebirthing of Kurds.. lets not forget all PKK leaders and members before even PKK was announced.

I will not forget the many thousands who have died since the Kurdish homeland was divided

I have known people who have died for Kurdistan

I have not forgotten all the Kurdish political parties that Turkey has closed down - only those connected to Ocalan survive

[Cewlik]

Gandhi Jesus Muhammad Elvis

This people live for ever?

And you forget that Öcalan will not die like them, because he lost his honor with saying that he was a Turk and that he was sorry for what he did. He dont stay behind that what he say like Qazi Mohammed.

BEFORE Mr Ocalan started the PKK Kurds in Turkey did NOT know they were even Kurdish

That is a big lie, Öcalan just create a movement I dont deny that, but he goes the wrong way and end like that. We had many diffrent leaders, did anybody of us say that Barzani is the only solution for a independence in south Kurdistan? Barzani dont even lost his honor and we still dont say such thinks.

[Qonyeyi]

Yes, I am ruining it for YOU. Because you can no longer spread lies against PKK without anyone countering you. I know it is a sad reality for you that you finally have to admit your lies against PKK. But when the admins are not here to take care of a lier who spreads Turkish propaganda on these forums, then I have to be aware. I find it is my duty. So you be sure that I will expose every single one of your lies. I know it hurts, but did you really expect you could infect fellow Kurds on these boards with anti-Apoism and anti-PKKism without anyone countering you? You must be naive.

You are right, you win this Internet war in a Forum. You are 24h on for Öcalan and I am sure that he would be proud of you in his Prison.

But that you have the last word in an forum because you are 24 h online, dont change the fact that Öclan said that he was a Turk, that he is in Prision and that turkey can isolate him any time they want. Öcalan will not exist for ever one party or person can also not have the power for ever.

And Kosrat Rasool is not the whole KRG. He have his opinion and other have a other opinion, but all of them also know that Öcalan is lost and will not exist for ever.

Dont worry about me. It takes more than a confused Kemal Burkay/Islamofascist website user to rock my beliefs. I just needed to point out your lies for the sake of the users on these boards.

[Bahoz]

Cewlik he goes the wrong way because he doesn't go your way! you think your way is the right way! ....the situation was different when Oclean said that ..he is half turkish, can you deny that? half turkish and he fight for Kurdistan! Oclean is politician and leader not only leader like Qazi Mohammed, ..shaheeda namir Qazi Mohammed could play dirty game of politics and he would be alive and may be we would have Kurdistan now also! but as we say ..he used the Kurdish mind..(meji Kurd- ser heshki .- ) and bedaxawa that kurdish mind doesnt work in reality and nowdays. even Kaka Masood and Jalal did worse! how come you don't mention? or you forgot how they were kissing with Saddam until recently? now should i say Masood and Jalal sold themselvs to Saddam? well if I use the kurdish mind like you I will say that but hell no ..put that Kurdish mind aside. they did that for purpose right? even though their purposes were not the best thing! Masood did that to fight Jalal back ..and vice versa .... Oclean said what he said for purpose not because he believed in that! otherwise he would say that before he is captured! ...so don't put Oclan words in wrong line

[Cewlik]

Dont worry about me. It takes more than a confused Kemal Burkay/Islamofascist website user to rock my beliefs. I just needed to point out your lies for the sake of the users on these boards.

You dont understand the diffrent between us right? I already said that I am not a follower of any Party, I am just for Kurdistan!

So you say openly that you are against Islam, right. You use such words like "Islamofascist", are you not a Muslim? Of course it is very easy to say that here in this Forum, but I want to see that Öcalan or a BDP member insults Islam officially, why they dont do that?

[Cewlik]

Cewlik he goes the wrong way because he doesn't go your way! you think your way is the right way!

No, he goes the wrong way, because he goes the wrong way! And he end with calling his Kurdish mother from Riha a Turk.

he is half turkish, can you deny that? half turkish and he fight for Kurdistan!

There is no problem with calling someone a Turk who is a Turk, but man, we all know that he was a Kurd and he just say that because he was scared.

[Qonyeyi]

Dont worry about me. It takes more than a confused Kemal Burkay/Islamofascist website user to rock my beliefs. I just needed to point out your lies for the sake of the users on these boards.

You dont understand the diffrent between us right? I already said that I am not a follower of any Party, I am just for Kurdistan!

So you say openly that you are against Islam, right. You use such words like "Islamofascist", are you not a Muslim? Of course it is very easy to say that here in this Forum, but I want to see that Öcalan or a BDP member insults Islam officially, why they dont do that?

An Islamofascist has nothing to do with Islam since Islam is not a fascist religion. I am a Muslim. Islamofascists are those who use Islam for political gains while contradicting the values of Islam itself.

Beside, I am speaking from my behalf. I do not speak for BDP or PKK. But you should know that PKK started the first Kurdish Islamic party in NK. And civil friday prayers, dont forgot those.

[Anthea]

Mr Ocalan said many things when he was first imprisoned - we have NO idea of what condition he was in mentally or physically - or what horrendous things were done to him but we can all GUESS

Mr Ocalan is not a fool - if Turkey had executed him (or let him die) there would have been a bloodbath - nothing and no-one would have been able to control the Kurdish people - he had to try and agree to things that he would normally not have done, including agreeing to work with Turkey, in order to protect the people.

Mr Ocalan should be not judged only by what he may have said or done since his capture and TORTURE but for all the work he did and the encouragement and inspiration he gave to the people of north Kurdistan

[Cewlik]

Mr Ocalan should be not judged only by what he may have said or done since his capture and TORTURE

Thats includes also that we should not listen to him as long as he is in the prison, right? Because Turkey can still torture him and use him, who knows that they dont already do that? Like you said, he is not brave like other Kurdish leaders.

[RawandKurdistani]

this is the second PUK member saying that ..so something is cooking under table .. sounds like the strategic agreement between PDK and PUK is in the way to expire.. new middle east is reshaping ..PKK is gaining more power all over parts ..does that send message? ...

PKK has always been admired in other parts of the homeland, but that does'nt mean we want them to rule over Kurdistan. PDK and PUK won't turn away from their agreements, are you trying to split up kurds?

[hevalo27]

Thats includes also that we should not listen to him as long as he is in the prison, right?

that is right. our freedom fight is not a one man show in imrali. i also think that öcalan is not the solution, i belive that PKK is the solution.
PKK is the people because many million kurds are the PKK and the fascist turkish state must negotiate with the kurdish People, no one else.
that means we want a democratic decision. a referendum who asks the kurds what they want.

im not an apoci, but with all my heart i am an PKKci and Kurdistani and in greater kurdistan they have my support, though i cant do much from europa to help our freedomfighters, except spent money sometimes

[purearch72]

When the prime minister of Turkey was Kurdish he made a deal with PKK and there was no clashes, until he was killed mysteriously ( Turkish facists), the solution is Erdogan.

[hevalo27]

the solution is Erdogan.

forget him, he is the evil. the father of satan, the son of darkness, born and grown up in the hell

[Cewlik]

i belive that PKK is the solution.

Parties come and go, I would say that the People are the solution, thats a much better slogan right? Nobody would say in south Kurdistan that the KDP is the solution. Like you said the people should decide their future.

No party should have the whole power, because maybe they will use it for their own interests. Kurds should criticize every Kurdish leader and party if there is somethink to criticize, that will make them the pressure to work better for Kurdistan. If everybody would follow a party blindly, the parties could easily use that for their own interests.

But I dont mean that we should not support any party. Of course we must support every party that fights for Kurdistan but we also can criticize them if they go the wrong way.

Thats my ideology, thats why I am not a follower of a Party, I support them if they do a good job for Kurdistan and I criticize them if they go the wrong way.

[Anthea]

Like you said, he is not brave like other Kurdish leaders.

I NEVER SAID THAT OCALAN WAS NOT BRAVE

I think that Mr Ocalan is EXTREMELY BRAVE and doubt that there are many people who could have survived in prison under the conditions that he has had to endure - he is also an extremely wise and sensible man who would do anything to help Kurdish people who he has said he loves like his children.

Cewlik I have only recently joined this forum but already I have noticed that you misquote people and twist things round to suit your own end - do you come on here to play games