DEHAP was sentenced to prison for playing kurdish music

[dyaoko]

The head DEHAP party was sentenced to prison for playing Kurdish music in the congress of the city’s moderating of that party.

Because of playing Kurdish, DEHAP party was sentenced to prison that was later decreased to finance punishment.

This congress was held in the 27 Nisan 2003 , ....

the continue of the news in Kurdish http://www.peyamner.com/article.php?id= ... ng=kurdish


can somebody tell me what is NISAN ? these southern and nothern kurds use some monthes that I dont undrestand
in Iranian Kurditan we have these monthes .
Khaka Lewa ,
Golan
Jozardan
pooshparr
galawej
kharman
razbar
galla rezan
rarmawaz
bafranbaar
rebandan
reshame

i dont undrestand the ,Nisan or Aylol or... i think they are turkish monthes that kurds use .... whatever can somebody please trnalsate that news to english ? it is kurdish is hard for me to tranlsate to english.

http://www.peyamner.com/article.php?id= ... ng=kurdish

[dyaoko]

another news

acording to humarn right organ, : 2262 human's right Just In Amed was abused by Turkey...

http://www.peyamner.com/article.php?id= ... ng=kurdish


sombody must translate this news....

[pesh17]

Well, first we dont use turkish months, their names are different, and second Nisan is April. To my knowledge Sibat, Adar, Nisan, Hizaran, Tebax, Eylul, Ilone, Mijdare, and Kanune, are all kurdish, i think i missed two, oh well. But Turks dont use these nor do arabs. The ones u mentioned sound more persian than kurdish. Anyways, Nisan is April.

[dyaoko]

no the ones that I mentioned is completly kurdish

mind that in kurdish we dont have Apirl ,

in fact our months start from newroz, newroz is 27 march.

so Apirl is in 3 and 4 th month of kurdish months.

i mean apart of april is in 3th and the other part is in the 4th month of kurdish month

i am sure those which I mentioned is kurdish.


i think nisan - aylol and etc....are Roman Monthes... nott kurdish not turkish...-old roman monthes- but I am sure they are not kurdish
because in kurdish our months starts from newroz -27(or 21 i dont remember) march- and it cant be the same as christian calander.


the persian monthes are ,
farvardin
ordibehesht
khordad
tir
mordad
shahrivar
mehr
aban
azar
day
bahaman
esfand


i am sure those which Imentioned first is PURE kurdish.
well there are diffrent kind of kurdish monthes...
i mean in a book i read in each region monthes have its own name...
but all of them use the same system.
means all of them , their first month starts with newroz.

[Diri]

Medya - How disapointing... Don't you know when Newroj is??? Of course it is the 21 of March... This is the FIRST day of Kurdish calender...

And frankly there are two main types of months - the ones used by the Kurmanchî and the ones used by the Soranî... Eash of the months you both say are right Medya and Piling... You are saying the names of Kurdish months for Soranî dialects and Kurmanchî dialects...

Please don't call something Turkish/Persian or Arab just because you don't use it yourself... you never know obviously both of you are saying - "Your months are turkish/persian"... and you are both right about the months... But they are for the different dialects... And more local people have even their own names for months...



Pilings months:

Sibat, Adar, Nisan, Hizaran, Tebax, Eylul, Ilone, Mijdare, and Kanune

I think you meant:
Spring: Adar, Nîsan, Gulan Sumer: Hizêran, Tîrmeh, Tebax Automn: Îlon, Chiriya Pêshîn, Chiriya Pashîn Winter: Chileyê (or Kanûna) Pêshîn, Chileyê (or Kanûna) Pashîn, Shibat.


Medya's months

Khaka Lewa , In Kurmanji we don't use the word Khak...
Golan - is the same as Gulan in Kurmanchî...
Jozardan
pooshparr (I haven't heard this one before... Even though I am from East...)
galawej (I like this month - my cousin is named Gelawêj
kharman
razbar
galla rezan Belê - Gell rêzên min jî
rarmawaz (This isn't a Kurdish month... It ia a Islamic month...
bafranbaar (This is a VERY kurdish month...
rebandan
reshame

But anyway - the Months that I listed are the ones that they teach Kurdish children in Europe... It is the same written in all Kurmanchi books here...


Definetly - there ARE many variations... but thats just because we haven't had the chance to become more united

[dyaoko]

look at dictionary :
Adar is Hebrew Month .
Nisan is Romman

but the diffrence isnt just names

for example the Khaka Lewa the first month of kurdish calender that starts with newroz, 21 march ,

is from 21- march to 21- apirl

not from 1 april to 30 april , but I think when you say Nisan , you mean the Christian Calendar , (1 Apirl . 30 april )

i think Kurdish Sorani months are more true,
because our days starts from Newroz , not based on the international calender
and also I saw some of these names that you say in Turkish News sites... i dont know i think Adar was in the Turkish news site.

[Diri]

Medya - Don't be so NAIVE... Turks have STOLEN more than JUST our months... THAY EVEN SAY THAT KURDISH DANCE AND CLOTHES AND MUSIC ARE TURKISH... DO YOU BELIEVE THAT???

And well - you can say what you wanna say... but ain't no Kurmanchi Kurd who says Khak... that word is closly linked to persian... I'm not saying it isn't Kurdish...

And who said that Adara needs to starts like the Western calendar??? 1st of Adar is the 21th of March... You can twist and turn it... But you can not say that Adar as a fact starts in april.. that just isn't right...

And so what? Maybe we have two months that are of another language - that will just prove that Kurds are more diverse than any other people... and besides - your months aren't TOTALY Kurdish either...

i think Kurdish Sorani months are more true,

Well... what can I say? I really believe that THIS kind of mentality is the problem with Kurds...

"Soranî is better than Kurmanchî"

and vice versa...

[dyaoko]

diri , you always disagree with me for the sake of disagreeing ... and you didnt even read my message well , I didnt say they are turkish....

i said Hebrew and Romman.

whatever so nobody is gonna translate those 2 news to englisdh haa? ok

[Vladimir]

haha lol

[Diri]

, not based on the international calender
and also I saw some of these names that you say in Turkish News sites... i dont know i think Adar was in the Turkish news site.

Does this not mean "I think they are Turkish"....???

[Vladimir]

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I think you meant:
Spring: Adar, Nîsan, Gulan Sumer: Hizêran, Tîrmeh, Tebax Automn: Îlon, Chiriya Pêshîn, Chiriya Pashîn Winter: Chileyê (or Kanûna) Pêshîn, Chileyê (or Kanûna) Pashîn, Shibat.

And what about Summer?

[Diri]

Spring: Adar, Nîsan, Gulan Summer: Hizêran, Tîrmeh, Tebax Automn: Îlon, Chiriya Pêshîn, Chiriya Pashîn Winter: Chileyê (or Kanûna) Pêshîn, Chileyê (or Kanûna) Pashîn, Shibat.

It is there May be misspelled though...

[dyaoko]

diri , I saw it in Turkish news Title,

like today is ...Adar ...


can you please tell me the meaning of the month you said by international calender ?

like what is Adar , is it Jan ?

[Emmunah]

The Hebrew months are
Tishrei (30 days)
Cheshvan (also spelled Heshvan or Marchesvan) (29 or 30 days)
Kislev (30 or 29 days)
Tevet (29 days)
Shevat (30 days)
Adar (29 days)
Nisan (30 days)
Iyar (29 days)
Sivan (30 days)
Tammuz (29 days)
Av (30 days)
Elul (29 days)

They are quite obviously from Babylonian times.

[Diri]

Hey Medya - I have been talking to my father ( He has studied Language and Litteratur at the Uni. in Iran) He told me that THESE are the months that are TRUE Kurdish because they reffer to things that happen in Nature in Kurdistan:

Kurdish calender from the 21st of March:
Where there are two names for a month the firrst one if Kurmanchî and the second Soranî

Spring in Kurdistan : Bihar / Buhar

1) Ax Lêwe/Xak Lêwe/ Awdar - Dirt (AX & XAK) becomes clear when snow is melting. "Awdar" means "watertree" it is the month when life is given to the tree - water (AW) passing through the tree (DAR)...
2) Awrêl / Banemer - This is what happens when the snow is melting - we get "Awrêl" it means water coming down the mountains - and flooding... The name April used in the West may have derived from this name. "Banemer" Means the "mating time of sheep and ram"... As the translation tells you this the time Kurds let their rams into their sheepflock to mate...
3) Gulan - This is the time when the flowers blossom... (Gul means flower)

Summar in Kurdistan: Hawîn / Awîn

4) Poshper - This is the month when the grass turns yellow... (Posh is the sound of the grass when it becomes yellow)
5) Tîrmeh - This is the time when the SUN is standing at its tallest on the sky - 90 degrees... "Tîr" means "ray" (sunray)!
6) Gelawêj - This the the month when the star named "Gelawêj" becomes visible in Kurdistan.

Autumn in Kurdistan: Payîz / Payêz

7) Chotmeh / Xerman - This is the month when the farmers start digging their fields and turning the dirt to make it ready for next season. "Chot" means "dig"..."Xerman" means harvest - before "digging" they harvest...
8 ) Rezber - This is the month that grape is harvested - "Rez" means a "bunch of grape"...
9) Kewchêr/Gella Rêzan - This means that the leaves on the trees are falling. "Gella" reffering to "leaf"... "Kewchêr"- "Kew" is the name of the bird that is the national symbol of Kurdistan and "chêr" means "scream (directly translated its the sound they make)" This is the time when kew that had hatched from their eggs in GULAN have become "young adults"- but they can't make the proper sound that and adult Kew makes yet so they make a sound that we call "Chêr" whish means "squeeling" in English.

Winter in Kurdistan: Ziwistan / Zimistan

10) Befranbar/Sermawez - This is the month when the first snow falls - "Befir" meaning snow and "bar" meaning "falling"..."Sermawez" reffering to the cold wind that sweeps across the mountains at this time of year. "Serm/Sar" means "cold". The world becomes cold...
11) Rêbendan - This is the month when most roads are blocked by the heavy snow - "Rê" meaning road - and "Bend" meaning "block/hinder". "Sermawez" reffering to the cold wind that sweeps across the mountains at this time of year. "Serm/Sar" means "cold".
12) Reshemeh - This is the month when the winter is the hardest - loongest nights... "Resh" meaning "black" and "Meh" meaning "month" - "BLACKMONTH"


And this should be satisfing - I did research on the net - but much of it contradicts other sources on the net... and the month of Gelawêj was TOTALY wrong in one of the sites where it said that Gelawêj means "Gathered crop"... It may be the right time for gathering the crop - but Gelawêj is the Kurdish name for VENUS (the star planet)- have a look at this site:

http://ku.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelaw%C3%A ... st%C3%AArk)

THIS IS HOW KURDISH MONTHS WOULD LOOK LIKE IN A WESTERN PERSPECTIVE:

1. Rêbendan (January)
2. Reshemeh (February)
3. Awdar -Ax/Xak Lêwe (March)
4. Awrêl-Banemer (April)
5. Gulan (May)
6. Pushper (June)
7. Tîrmeh (July)
8. Gelawêj (August)
9. Chotmeh (September)
10. Rezber (October)
11. Kewçêr - Gela Rêza (November)
12. Befranbar - Sermawez (December)

This is a KEW: (Scroll down when you enter the site)

http://www.geocities.com/faspari/kurdistan.html

GOD THIS TOOK ME A WHOLE DAY TO GET AROUND!!! Hope it's worth the time -and that all of you can use this as a source when talking of Kurdish months...

This is a relieable Kurmanchî Kurdish site:

http://members.fortunecity.com/malper5/ ... 03-06.html

DONE!

PS: Names that were left out were left out because they may not be of Kurdish origin... The ones that ARE here are secure names that can be trusted...