Stolen History

[Diri]

Kurds have been cheated of much of their own history - it has been veiled as either Arab, Turk or Persian history. Consequently Turks have been quite good at denying a whole people nationhood. Persians too have done their part to make Kurdish claims of statehood and nationhood a dream. Arabs have effectively played the "Islam card" - saying "we are all muslim - ergo we should live together"...

But slowly - we can see that history is not what it has been for some while - ever since the Turks and Persians wrote their own side fo the story - which by far has been aknowledged as un-biased and facts--- Take the example of Persians - Shahname - a book written by a Pars/Fars (Persian) meant to be a historical book (but as we know today it is more mythology than facts). It celebrates all the history of the Iranian Plateu and the Taurus mountain range as Pars - Persian . Kurdish personalities, Azeri and Beluch, Sistani and Khorasanian... It has effectively made ownership of the history of SEVERAL nations.

In this book ( Shahname ) we hear about Kawa Asingir(Soranî)/Kawe Hesingêr (Kurmancî) a FAMOUS hero - who rose against Zuhak (Soranî)/Dahak (Kurmancî) the Assyrian King. The story of Kawa ends with him killing the Assyrian King Zuhak and uniting the people of Medya - Thus the reign of th first KURDISH King starts. Kawa has in this book been portrayed as Persian and not only that - the total context of the story has been changed - He no longer fights in Kurdistan - He fights in the Elborz (mountain range north of Tehran)

The other stories are about the other Kings - the Sasanian Kings - Which ALL are Kurds have been transformed into Persians... And a simple proff of their Kurdishness is their names.

Erde Shîr - in Kurdish is made into Ardasher in Persian... "ERD" means "earth" or "dirt" and "SHÎR" means "milk" - a TOTALLY Kurdish name.

Erde Wan which has been made into Ardasher - In Kurdish "Erde Wan" means "Gartner"... but of course no English word can translate it the right way so I'll explain it like this:"The one who cares for the earth" (As in: he is looking after the earth)

Ê Nû Shêr Wan - has been made into Anusherwan - First of all the word WAN has NO meaning in Persian. WAN can be translated into "someone who does (a certain thing)" or "Person of (something)" "Ê" means "The ONE" and "Nû Shêr" means "New Lion" (A new hero) (People that were looked upon as heroes were always called "Shêr" in Kurdish - as a sign of their great power...
Ê Nû Shêr Wan - "The new Lion man" very roughly translated...

Persians use "ban" where Kurds use "wan"... It has the same meaning.

Kurds have participated greatly in building the Ottoman empire-but NO mention of their name... Look at the Balkans - The people there - Slavs - Are wearing Kurdish traditional clothes and playing the Dhol and Zorna and dancing Kurdish dances... These are ALL signs of the Kurds early presence at these places... They even have words from Kurdish - Such as ( I found out because of the Bosnian neighbours we had some years back) "Keledosh" which is the name of a Kurdish traditional dish... food... They even MADE the food right...

Other than the Ottomans also the Kurdish ancestors - Urartu and Hurrian have been stolen by the Turks as THEIRS - They claim that TURKS are the descendants of the Hurrians (And there by claiming to have been there since dawn of history... They don't accept fully the fact that they are from Mongolia and that only 100-150 years ago MOST Turks looked like Mongols - yellow and their eyes crocked - and short... These were the physical features they brought with them - but most is now only found in MAINLY Turkish villages near central Turkey - and North of Ankara... They have mixed with Greek, Kurds and Armenians and slowly lost these features.

I don't know much of the Arab policy - but it is clear they want them to be Arabs - and serve Arab nationalism like Selah ê din (again a Kurdish name "selah"= "wepon" "ê"= "Belonging to" "Dîn"= "Religion" (Wepon of religion) did in his days...

And there is EVEN MORE.. Certainly they will all eat their words when Kurdistan becomes Independent - We will write our history...

I keep thinking about Breaveheart - How Bruce says: "History is written by those who have hanged heroes"... This is the truth about Kurds... We have MUCh to learn from the Scotish people...


Do you have any other information about our history? And the stealing?

[Diri]

ALSO:

Cyrus (In Kurdish Xurûsh) (THE GREAT PERSIAN KING ) the great had a Kurdish mother... This is his story:

Doughter of the Kurdish King of Medya (Reigned over ALL of Iran and Turkey and YOU NAME IT!) had a dream - she saw a tree growing inside her stomach - it grew and grew and grew... It was a large WHITE tree that spread it's shadow over all that was to see... She told her dream to her father and her father ( The King) sent for the wisemen to interpret her dream (Believers of ÊZÎDÎ religion)... they said: You will bear a child - this child will be a great man and will take conquer the WHOLE world (the known world). And that he would be King of all natonalities and races...

So the King got worried and when the child was born ( The Princess was married to the highest ranking General A PERSIAN) the King gave orders to kill the child. The Princes must have been shattered but anyway - the child was taken to a remote area - there was a couple of goaters... They were given gold to do the "deed" and the Kings men left - as they din't want to kill a child. But anyway - The goatherders didnt feel like killing a baby so they kept him - they called him Cyrus (Kurdish : Xurûsh).

His legacy grew with his age - at first he was the comander of a gang - when he was a child and so built up his "army" through friendship - and the rest is history...

[Vladimir]

Great information again.


What can I say.. trie to write some books Diri

[Diri]

do the woggi...

[sorgul]

good story
hey do u know any kurdish floktales?
and is that song nare nare kurdish
i could have swore it is
but then i ahve this cd and this arabic guy is singing

[Nistiman]

Diri,

I read the story of Cyrus in Herodotus' Histories. It was very similar to the one you recounted however according to Herodotus, it was Medya's father, King Astyages who had a dream which the Magis interpreted as meaning that his daughter would unleash havoc on the Median kingdom. So, with the interest of his kingdom in mind, he married his daughter to a Persian and sent her away for "damage control". Then, when he learned she was pregnant, he had another dream that something springing from her loins would be the one who causes damage and this time the Magis correctly interpreted that it would be her son who would turn against the Medes. And that is how Astyages sends for someone to kill Cyrus...the rest of the stories match...


But somewhat more interesting was the story of Deiokes or Diyako - whose name is still given by Kurdish parents to their children. Diyako was the first Median King who united the Median tribes. He was known among all of the tribesman as a man of justice and many people came to him to resolve their problems because they knew he would deal with them fairly and reach a just conclusion.

Finally, the tribespeople came together one day and elected Diyako to be their leader. Diyako the King was much different than Diyako the tribesman - not in the sense that he became unjust but he actually created an institution around himself. He still gave just pronouncements however he separated himself from the rest of his kinsmen, built a huge castle with 7 different rings around it and made it impossible for ordinary people to see him. He created an auro of mystery and superiority around himself. It is interesting that Herodotus began the history of the Medes and Persians with the tale of Diyako...

[doopaman]

Has this story bin told you befor. http://armenianhouse.org/bliss/turkey/05-kurds.html

The passion for legend is illustrated in no better way than in the statements as to the origin of the oriental races. Even the wildest tribes share in this, and there have come down, through their famous story-tellers, narrative after narrative, to be taken not as authentic history, and yet as giving after all the kernel of authentic history. The Kurdish people are no exception to this rule. According to the story that is told in their camps and castles, extending all the way from the eastern end of the Black Sea to the very borders of the Persian Gulf, and from the mountains of Western Persia along the mountain ranges of Asiatic Turkey, they owed their origin to one of those acts of cruelty familiar to all Eastern history.

In the capital of Persia, in the ages long past, there was a king famous even there for his cruelty. Through many years his crimes went unavenged. At last the gods found them too severe, and in punishment sent two serpents to take up their abode, one in each shoulder. These serpents preyed upon his flesh, which yet was constantly renewed by a miracle of divine retribution, so that each morning found the body still unimpaired. The torture of the day brought to the king’s mind a suggestion of relief. Reasoning that his own flesh was no sweeter than that of his nobility, and that the younger the flesh the more dainty the morsel it furnished, he sent out among the wealthy families of his kingdom, and gathered in all the young men. Every morning lots were cast, and two of these were taken and fed to the serpents, that so they might be diverted from the body of the king. Naturally terror reigned throughout the kingdom. Fear and anger assisted the subjects to discover a way of cheating, both the king and the serpents, just as the king had hoped to cheat his tormentors. They reasoned that when the first taste of the serpents was sated, an ordinary sheep would satisfy their hunger. Accordingly each morning, lots were drawn between the two victims, one escaped and fled to the mountains, while his comrade suffered. This was carried on, for how long the legend does not say, long enough, however, to result in the gathering of a large number of these escaped members of the nobility in the mountains of Demavend, banded together to avenge the wrong upon them and upon their kindred against the king and all his forces.

This, according to the legend, was the origin of the Kurdish people. More authentic tradition states that a race variously called Gutu (warrior), Gardu, and Karu (whence Kardukas, Charduchi), occupied the mountainous eastern border of the Assyrian empire in the time of its glory. These were of Scythian origin, but were conquered by a tribe of Kermanj descended from Madai (Mede), the son of Japhet. In any case their mountain fastnesses furnished a sort of cave of Adullam, to which every man who had a grievance came, and a rude sort of feudal government arose. In some cases the men were followed by the women of their families; in others they gathered wives from the plain in their raids. Thus there grew up a race in the mountains whose hand was against every man and every man’s hand against them.

[Diri]

These are fairytales... but quite amusing... However I find the history that the Turks, Persian and Arabs boost of as real Kurdish history... Not all of it of course.. just teh parts they have stolen from us... They have had the most experienced of archeologs and historians to dig out some real tasty history for them... Like all the Turkish history and much of Persian history... The best parts of their history is in reality Kurdish history... We have FAR longer traditions in our mountain castles than will they ever have...
Be sure of one thing though! With pure logiv - you can go a long way in finding the pieces of Kurdish history stolen by Turks and Persians...

[Vladimir]

You sure Salahadins name is Kurdish some proof? Or you guessed that?

[Diri]

Selah ê din (again a Kurdish name "selah"= "wepon" "ê"= "Belonging to" "Dîn"= "Religion" (Wepon of religion) did in his days...

No - you are right... IT ISN'T it only became Kurdish because we use those words - "Selah" - and "Dîn" and the "glue" which holds it together - "ê"... It is acctually "Salahu el-Din" meaning "Righteousness of the Faith"

I have shot over my head this time Sorry...

WE shoudl definatly get rid of ALL Arabic words...

These words are in proper Kurdish

"Selah/Wepon" = Alet a Sheri "Tool of war"
"Dîn/religion/Faith" = Ol - it comes from ancient Kurdish - still used in North Kurmancî (Kurmancî) - I have yet to hear it in South Kurmancî (Soranî)

Medya - Do you use it for daily use? "Ol"