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Will Ocalan sell out Kurdish freedom for his own freedom?

PostAuthor: Anthea » Thu Dec 26, 2024 11:46 am

Turkey Allows Delegation to Visit Ocalan

Turkey has permitted a delegation from the (DEM) to visit Abdullah Ocalan, the imprisoned leader of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), on Imrali Island, Turkish media reported on Thursday. This marks the first such visit in nearly a decade

According to the pro-government Sabah newspaper, the visit is expected to take place on Thursday or Friday, following approval from President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. The delegation includes notable figures such as Sırrı Süreyya Önder and Pervin Buldan, along with other members of parliament.

    The initiative follows a proposal by Devlet Bahçeli, leader of the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) and a key ally of Erdogan, who suggested that Ocalan address the Turkish parliament and call for the PKK to lay down its arms in exchange for a potential general amnesty
Tülay Hatipoğlu, co-chair of the DEM Party, expressed readiness for talks with the Turkish government, emphasizing that Ocalan must play a central role in resolving the Kurdish issue and advocating for his release from imprisonment.

Turkish news outlet Independent reported that Ocalan may send a message to PKK leaders in the Qandil Mountains, urging disarmament under certain conditions. However, specific details of these conditions have not been disclosed.

This development is part of a broader effort to address the 40-year conflict between the Turkish state and the PKK, which has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths. The PKK, designated as a “terrorist organization” by Turkey, has been engaged in an armed struggle for Kurdish rights since the late 1970s.

https://www.basnews.com/en/babat/870571

PKK is a Marxist group that for many years supported and encouraged an Independent Kurdistan

Thousands of Kurds joined the PKK and died in the fight for INDEPENDENCE

I do NOT consider the Kurdish Democratic Party (DEM) to be pro Kurdish because it is helping to suppress Kurdish desire for Independence

Why is Turkey allowing this meeting?

It most certainly is NOT for the benefit of the Kurdish nation :lol:
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Re: Turkey Allows Delegation to Visit Abdullah Ocalan WHY?

PostAuthor: Anthea » Fri Dec 27, 2024 10:57 pm

DEM Party refutes reports of meeting with Ocalan

Erbil (Kurdistan24) – The People's Equality and Democracy Party (DEM) rejected claims that Turkey's Justice Ministry had notified it about an forthcoming meeting with imprisoned Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) leader Abdullah Ocalan

This rejection followed a report by the pro-government Sabah newspaper, which detailed that the Justice Ministry had approved the DEM Party's request to meet Ocalan.

The report implied that the meeting could take place either on Thursday or on Friday, Dec. 27, 2024.

The delegation apparently set to meet Ocalan in İmralı Prison includes DEM Party Istanbul Deputy and Deputy Speaker of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey, Sırrı Süreyya Önder, and DEM Party Van Deputy Pervin Buldan.

Justice Minister Yilmaz Tunç recently stated that a meeting between the DEM Party and Ocalan could take place after the approval of the 2025 budget talks.

    However, neither the Justice Ministry nor other relevant authorities have confirmed this information to the DEM Party
Earlier this week, a DEM Party delegation, accompanied by a number of politicians and activists from Northern Kurdistan, visited the Turkish Ministry of Justice to officially request a meeting with Ocalan.

This development comes months after Abdullah Ocalan’s nephew and PKK MP, Omar Ocalan, met with his uncle in İmralı Prison on Oct. 23, 2024, marking the first such visit in over two and a half years.

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Re: Kurdish lawmakers arrive at Imrali to meet Ocalan

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sat Dec 28, 2024 11:36 pm

Kurdish lawmakers meet Ocalan

Two Kurdish lawmakers arrived at Turkey’s Imrali prison on Saturday to meet the jailed leader of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK)

Sirri Sureyya Onder and Pervin Buldan were granted the rare permission to meet Abdullah Ocalan after the Peoples’ Equality and Democracy Party (DEM Party) put in an official request in November.

Aysegul Dogan, DEM Party spokesperson, confirmed to Rudaw that the delegation has arrived on the island, but there is little information about what else to expect.

“We do not have information on where else they went, when the meeting started, how long it will last, what will be discussed, or whether there will be a statement upon their return,” DEM Party said in a statement to journalists.

“We also do not know if they will return from the same place. The trip is entirely under the initiative of the authorities. Whether there will be a statement afterward will depend on the meeting there,” it added.

Onder and Buldan were part of a group that visited Ocalan in 2014 during a short-lived peace process between Ankara and the PKK.

Ocalan has been kept on the island prison since 1999 and is granted only irregular contact with the outside world.

His nephew Omer Ocalan, also a DEM Party lawmaker, visited the island prison in late October. It was the first face-to-face meeting between the PKK leader and his family since March 3, 2020.

The PKK leader said he was in “good health” and “sent greetings to everyone,” according to his nephew.

Ocalan’s elder brother Mehmet Ocalan last had a short phone call with him in March 2021. Numerous subsequent requests by lawyers and family to meet the PKK leader were rejected.

The government shifted its hardline stance prohibiting contact with Ocalan after Devlet Bahceli, the leader of Turkey’s far-right Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), proposed that Ocalan address the Turkish parliament and announce the dissolution of the PKK. MHP is the government ally of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP).

Founded in 1978, the PKK initially called for the establishment of an independent Kurdistan but now calls for autonomy. The group is designated a terrorist organization by Turkey.

DEM Party’s predecessor, the Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP), played a key role in negotiating peace talks a decade ago.

https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeas ... y/28122024

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Re: Kurdish lawmakers arrive at Imrali to meet Ocalan

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun Dec 29, 2024 10:07 pm

PKK leader urges restoring
    Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood
ERBIL, Kurdistan Region - The strengthening of the “brotherhood” between Turks and Kurds is a “historic responsibility” and vital to reaching a permanent solution to the Kurdish issue, jailed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) leader Abdullah Ocalan said Saturday in his latest message from prison

    (There is NO brotherhood between Turks and Kurds)
The pro-Kurdish Peoples’ Equality and Democracy Party (DEM Party) sent a delegation to Turkey’s Imrali island prison on Saturday to meet Ocalan after the Turkish government recently shifted its hardline stance prohibiting contact with the PKK leader, who is granted only irregular contact with the outside world.

“He was in good health and his morale was quite high. His assessments regarding finding a permanent solution to the Kurdish cause were of vital importance,” DEM Party lawmakers Sirri Sureyya Onder and Pervin Buldan said in a statement on Sunday after visiting Ocalan.

“Strengthening Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood again has gained historical importance and urgency, as well as being a critical responsibility for all peoples,” the lawmakers cited him as saying.

He called on political fronts in Turkey to contribute to this process by “making positive contributions without getting caught up in narrow and periodic calculations,” and suggested the Turkish parliament as an important platform to make changes.

Ocalan also expressed his willingness to cooperate with the changes proposed by Turkish President and ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan and leader of the far-right Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) leader Devlet Bahceli.

Bahceli has proposed that Ocalan address the Turkish parliament and announce the dissolution of the PKK. MHP and AKP are government allies.

“The delegation is ready to share its approach with both the state and political circles. Under this light, we are prepared to take and call for positive steps when necessary,” Ocalan said, calling for a new era of “peace, democracy, and brotherhood” in Turkey.

On Sunday, Buldan told opposition media ANKA that they will request an appointment with political parties to explain Ocalan’s messages after the New Year and that they plan to visit Imrali “soon” again.

Ocalan has been kept in the island prison since 1999.

Founded in 1978, the PKK initially called for the establishment of an Independent Kurdistan but now calls for autonomy. The group is designated a terrorist organization by Turkey.

    (Shamefully the HDP and DEM have spent years trying to convince Kurds that they do NOT deserve a country of their own, even though Turkey has laid claim to a large portion of traditional homeland and has been asset stripping the land)
DEM Party’s predecessor, the Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP), played a key role in negotiating peace talks a decade ago. The talks collapsed in 2015 and were followed by intense urban fighting in the country’s southwestern Kurdish areas.

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Re: Will Ocalan sell out Kurdish freedom for his own freedom

PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:54 pm

Opposition wary of AKP's strategy

Turkey’s opposition parties accuse the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP of lacking transparency, which fuels skepticism about its intentions and the potential outcome of Saturday’s meeting between Democratic Equality and People’s Party (DEM Party) representatives and imprisoned Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) leader Abdullah Öcalan

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s government recently granted the DEM Party’s request to meet with Öcalan, who founded the PKK, a group designated as a terrorist organization by Turkey and its Western allies, nearly half a century ago to fight for Kurdish rights.

Historic meeting

The visit on Saturday came two months after Devlet Bahçeli, leader of the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), extended an invitation to Öcalan to renounce violence and dissolve the PKK, a gesture supported by Erdoğan.

Soon after Bahçeli’s call, Öcalan was allowed his first family visit since March 2020, prompting the DEM Party to make its own request to the justice ministry to visit the 75-year-old PKK leader.

PKK militants subsequently claimed responsibility for an attack in October on a Turkish defense contractor that killed five, which delayed the government approval of DEM’s request.

Over the years, Öcalan has engaged in talks with authorities to resolve what is often called Turkey’s “Kurdish issue,” a term prevalent in Turkey’s public discourse that refers to the demand for equal rights by the country’s Kurdish population and their struggle for recognition.

The most recent efforts at a peace process collapsed in 2015, sparking the resumption of violence, especially in the Kurdish-majority southeast.

The government’s approval of the DEM Party visit comes after rebels in neighboring Syria overthrew strongman President Bashar al-Assad on December 8.

The visit to Öcalan, who has been held since 1999 in a prison on İmralı Island in the Sea of Marmara, was the party’s first in almost 10 years.

DEM Party representatives Pervin Buldan and Sırrı Süreyya Önder met with Öcalan on İmralı Island on Saturday.

In a statement following the meeting, the DEM Party shared Öcalan’s message, which emphasized the importance of Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood and a commitment to resolving the Kurdish issue within a peaceful framework.

Öcalan’s message also highlighted his readiness to contribute positively to the ongoing process initiated by President Erdoğan and MHP leader Bahçeli’s “new paradigm” for peace.

According to a report by Voice of America’s Turkish edition, Buldan and Önder said they were “more hopeful than ever” about the potential for progress. They announced plans to provide further updates in the coming months, citing the need for discretion during the early stages of dialogue.

Cautious opposition

The main opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP) called for greater transparency in the process and said the Turkish parliament should remain the central platform for addressing such critical issues.

“We believe the solution must be found within the framework of parliament. Any process that disregards the sensitivities of families of martyrs [who were killed in the fight with the PKK] and veterans would be unacceptable,” the Gazete Duvar news website quoted CHP spokesman Deniz Yücel as saying.

Similarly, the Good (İYİ) Party expressed uncertainty about the government’s intentions. İYİ leader Müsavat Dervişoğlu questioned the “new paradigm” described by Öcalan.

“We do not fully understand what this paradigm entails or what the government seeks to achieve. Clarity is crucial,” the Haber Sol news website quoted Dervişoğlu as saying.

MHP leader Bahçeli’s role in initiating this process has been a surprising turn. Known for his staunch opposition to previous peace efforts, Bahçeli’s endorsement of talks has drawn mixed reactions. Analysts speculate that his support reflects the AKP’s strategy to address regional instability and strengthen domestic unity ahead of upcoming elections.

Not all political actors have been receptive. Far-right Victory Party (ZP) leader Ümit Özdağ condemned the talks. He accused the government of enabling Öcalan to push his agenda and criticized the AKP and MHP for risking national integrity.

“This government has consistently blurred the lines between fighting terror and negotiating with terrorists,” the Kronos news website quoted Özdağ as saying.

The discussions have also drawn criticism from smaller parties and civic organizations. Speaking to VOA, the Kurdistan Socialist Party (PSK) and Dicle Toplumsal Araştırmalar Merkezi (DİTAM) have called for broader inclusion in the process. DİTAM Vice President Sedat Yurtdaş stressed the importance of building a sociopolitical framework that reflects Turkey’s realities, warning that “top-down solutions” risk alienating critical stakeholders.

Islamist opposition New Welfare Party (YRP) leader Fatih Erbakan echoed these sentiments and urged the government to engage regional representatives and communities rather than focusing solely on high-level negotiations.

True resolution requires involvement of all affected groups

The comparisons between the current process and the failed peace talks of 2012-2015 are inevitable. Observers have noted key differences, including the broader political spectrum’s level of involvement this time and the shifting dynamics in the Middle East following the regime change in Syria.

Yet many remain skeptical. Critics argue that the AKP’s approach prioritizes political gain over lasting solutions. The lack of a clear roadmap underscores the fragility of the process.

https://www.turkishminute.com/2024/12/3 ... kk-leader/

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