The hidden origin of Kurd Alevis

[Marie K.]

HOW SOME ARMENIANS CONVERTED TO KURDS OR ALEVIS

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Turkey's official chief historian Yusuf Halacoglu announced at the August 18 conference titled "The Avsharis in the history and culture of Turks" that Kurds are "Turkmen" by origin in reality, and the Kurdish-Alevis have "Armenian" origin.

That announcement had got a wide resonance in the Turkish media and he was forced to give a more precise definition to his announcement: "I don't reject the existence of the Kurds in Turkey, but in reality 30 per cent of the Kurds are Turkmen by origin.

In order to avoid the exile, some of the Armenians presented themselves as Kurdish-Alevis and adopted Islam in 1915. The apostate Armenians were about 100.000 in Turkey in 1920. From 1936 to 1937 the Government of Turkey had revealed the apostate Armenians house by house. I have the list of those Armenians and I will publish it, if the authorities let me do it".

The above-mentioned announcements of Halacoglu were the basis for the accusations against him that he was making political preconditions for the speculation of "apostasy".

It is evident that for the counter-attackers of Halacoglu the main issue is not the apostate Armenians (the existence of those they don't deny), but the application of the apostasy as a means of blackmail.

It's worth to mention that about the apostate Armenians mentioned also Pr. of History of the Inyoyu University in Malatia Salim Gyohgen at an interview to "Aksiyon"magazine: "There are about 80.000-100.000 hidden Armenians in Turkey. They mainly hid themselves among Kurds and Alevis".

"Aksion" has published the interview with Pr. Salim Gyohgen and the article about the apostate Armenians, which is of a great interest and we want to present it partially:

"Pr. Salim Gyohgen supports a thesis, which says: "There are also thousands of Armenians, who converted to Arabs. There is nothing new in the announcement of Yusuf Halacoglu. It was evident to everybody, but nobody wanted to speak of it. American representatives of that time mentioned of the hidden Armenians in their reports, i.e. Kurds hid 500.000 Armenians in Erzerum, Alavis helped 50.000 Armenians in Tungeli (Dersim). The same happened also in Vardo (region of Van), Khnus and other places.

There are many Armenians in Hata, Sgherd, Urfa, Mardin and other places, who are converted to Arabs: they speak Arabian and present themselves as Arabs at present"

Some of the Armenians converted to Assyrians, according to Pr. Gyohgen.

"Aksion" magazine published the number and the "official" originality of the Armenians. According to it, 1000 Armenian families (converted to Kurds, Assyrians and Alevis) live in Diarbekir, 3655 families (as Alevi-Kurds) - in Malatia, 5000 Turks (hidden Armenians) - in Cesaria, 1000 families (as Kurds and Alevis) - in Eliazig, 4000 families (as Kurds) - in Van, 3500 families (as Kurds and Arabs) - in Urfa, 1200 families (as Arabs, and a little part as Kurds) - in Sgherd, 1100 families (as Arabs) - in Hata, 200 families (as Kurds) - in Bitlis, 3000 families (as Kurds, Alevis and a little part as Turks) - in Erzerum, 1300 families (as Alevis and Kurds ) - in Erznka, 1500 families (as Arabs) - in Mardin, 3000 families (as Kurds and Alevis) - in Marash, 1600 families (as Kurds) - in Adiyaman, 2000 families (as Kurdish-Alevis) - in Tungeli and 2000 families (as Kurds, Alevis and Arabs) - in Adana.

At the end of the article "Aksion" added: "The data come from the researches of different institutions and works of different researchers that continue till today. The indexes can be changed according to new revelations".


http://www.armtown.com/news/en/azg/20070904/2007090401/

[Barış]

30% of Kurds are Türkmen?

[Marie K.]

30% of Kurds are Türkmen?

mmhh..yea it seems to be quite "weird" then id check about this website ...
sometimes we cant trust some of them..

[Diri]

What I don't trust, is your judgement on what is and what is not good for Kurds and Kurdistan...


And this article is rubbish...

[Marie K.]

What I don't trust, is your judgement on what is and what is not good for Kurds and Kurdistan...


And this article is rubbish...

i havent been judgmental at all, by the way i dont have enough knowledges about it to do it..
but what is obvious is what is not good for Kurd are the government of the four countries where they are lived..

[Diri]

What I don't trust, is your judgement on what is and what is not good for Kurds and Kurdistan...


And this article is rubbish...

i havent been judgmental at all, by the way i dont have enough knowledges about it to do it..
but what is obvious is what is not good for Kurd are the government of the four countries where they are lived..

That I can agree upon...

[Parzin]

What I don't trust, is your judgement on what is and what is not good for Kurds and Kurdistan...


And this article is rubbish...

i havent been judgmental at all, by the way i dont have enough knowledges about it to do it..
but what is obvious is what is not good for Kurd are the government of the four countries where they are lived..

What four countries is that Marie? Did one of them all of a sudden feel generous and give in? The last time I checked it was five countries...maybe it changed while I was hibernating under a rock in Mt. Ararat, eh? lol

[Diri]

You mean Armenia, Parzîn?


Demanding land from Armenia - is like demanding land from Greece...

[Parzin]

You mean Armenia, Parzîn?


Demanding land from Armenia - is like demanding land from Greece...

I mean exactly that. Demand or not, the fact of the matter is that Kurdistan was partitioned into five pieces and people who consider themselves scholars writing and lying that it is rather four, deems a necessary punishment...which I do not want to get into in this conversation.

[Vladimir]

Depends on your definition of Kurdistan. Because I can't remember a time when there was one big unified Kurdistan. Except the Kurdistan province under the Selcuk Turks. There were Kurdish dynasties of course and other Kurdish kings,etc.

[Parzin]

@ Vladmir, you are right of course. However, how many other countries were actually nation states before the maps were carved out after WWI? I am not being cynical, I do want to know. Since that is the most obvious thing thrown into our faces every time, I believe it only fair that the game be played fairly and you look at from the same perspective... to all the countries...not just our occupiers.