Turkey Turning Islamist??? Have your say...

[zurderer]

In simple words: turkey will lose all the western support which helped them to stay on power!

And She will gain support of half of Kurdish nation.

Plus Even Turkey becomes islamist(a long term possibility), Western will not stop to support us.

Suidis are most religious nation of world, and They have great western support.

It is international politics. So If Turkey becomes islamist, Kurdish seperatist would have less support from kurdish people, and of course less chance to seperation.

[Gudea]

In simple words: turkey will lose all the western support which helped them to stay on power!

And She will gain support of half of Kurdish nation.

Plus Even Turkey becomes islamist(a long term possibility), Western will not stop to support us.

Suidis are most religious nation of world, and They have great western support.

It is international politics. So If Turkey becomes islamist, Kurdish seperatist would have less support from kurdish people, and of course less chance to seperation.

Turkomongol, turkomongols are much more hated among Kurdish society to be able to cheat Kurds again by islamic nonsense;
besides, west is not as stupid as you think; there is no doubt that they will reduce their support for a islamist turkomongol barbaric people, than today they do. They no more ignore the opposition of such a phenomenon as today they do.
And the cas of Saudis is different than beggar turks. Saudis are a relatively moderate people with Oil. It has support because west think it is better than a Jihadist Saudi with oil.
So update your central asian brain!

[zurderer]

Turkomongol, turkomongols are much more hated among Kurdish society to be able to cheat Kurds again by islamic nonsense

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Realy so how akp gain at wan agrı or some other kurdish cities against dtp? Hmmm?

And AKP is not even a radical islamist party. I think instead of talking indepence of your people, you should should should learn first your own people.

besides, west is not as stupid as you think;

Infact west is not as stupid as you think. They will not attack or stop to help Turkey, without no real reason.

there is no doubt that they will reduce their support for a islamist turkomongol barbaric people, than today they do.

Related with what is their benefit. Sorry but You are looking world to much simple.

They no more ignore the opposition of such a phenomenon as today they do.

Hmm?

And the cas of Saudis is different than beggar turks.

Beggar? Realy? Infact We are begging them and they are begging us. We are occupying(acording to them) one of their members, but they do nothing, Infact They encourage us to enter EU.

Saudis are a relatively moderate people with Oil.

Well, Well are you serious(stupid)?

It has support because west think it is better than a Jihadist Saudi with oil.

So They will continue to support Turkey, having a friendly Turkey is much more important than having a friendly Saudi Arabia.

So update your central asian brain!

I am from anatolia, You should better to learn this.(If you did not learn last 1000 year)

[Gudea]

Turkomongol, turkomongols are much more hated among Kurdish society to be able to cheat Kurds again by islamic nonsense

;

Realy so how akp gain at wan agrı or some other kurdish cities against dtp? Hmmm?

And AKP is not even a radical islamist party. I think instead of talking indepence of your people, you should should should learn first your own people.

besides, west is not as stupid as you think;

Infact west is not as stupid as you think. They will not attack or stop to help Turkey, without no real reason.

there is no doubt that they will reduce their support for a islamist turkomongol barbaric people, than today they do.

Related with what is their benefit. Sorry but You are looking world to much simple.

They no more ignore the opposition of such a phenomenon as today they do.

Hmm?

And the cas of Saudis is different than beggar turks.

Beggar? Realy? Infact We are begging them and they are begging us. We are occupying(acording to them) one of their members, but they do nothing, Infact They encourage us to enter EU.

Saudis are a relatively moderate people with Oil.

Well, Well are you serious(stupid)?

It has support because west think it is better than a Jihadist Saudi with oil.

So They will continue to support Turkey, having a friendly Turkey is much more important than having a friendly Saudi Arabia.

So update your central asian brain!

I am from anatolia, You should better to learn this.(If you did not learn last 1000 year)

Mongolian nonsense;
That's a fact which your stupid central asian brain cannot understand.
Mongol! If there is a turkey is because they are kafir. If there was an islamic ottoman mongol, west never supported it.
be thankful for your Kafirness that make west stay with you.

PS: Anatolia is land of Greeks, Armenians, and Kurds. Turks are barbaric. I dont evaluate them as human beings.

[zurderer]

That's a fact which your stupid central asian brain cannot understand.
Mongol! If there is a turkey is because they are kafir. If there was an islamic ottoman mongol, west never supported it.

Instead of talking why dont you read some history? Ottomans were allied with UK, France, Germany even with Russia. This is related to with interest. is It realy to much difficult for you to understand?

Hmmm should related with mountains. You should go to cities for improving your self, and you should go to school for learning some history.

be thankful for your Kafirness that make west stay with you.

So now you become God? when will you decide, where will we go? I am realy curious If I will go to heaven or hell?

Anatolia is land of Greeks, Armenians, and Kurds. Turks are barbaric. I dont evaluate them as human beings.

It is sad, these unhuman beings ruled your nation 1.000 year. What did your nation? Nothing.

Even In northern kurdistan, You cannot find any building done by your ancestors.

Oh maybe you will begin to talk about Selahhattin, but That kurd was educated by Selcuk unhumans.

[Gudea]

That's a fact which your stupid central asian brain cannot understand.
Mongol! If there is a turkey is because they are kafir. If there was an islamic ottoman mongol, west never supported it.

Instead of talking why dont you read some history? Ottomans were allied with UK, France, Germany even with Russia. This is related to with interest. is It realy to much difficult for you to understand?

Hmmm should related with mountains. You should go to cities for improving your self, and you should go to school for learning some history.

be thankful for your Kafirness that make west stay with you.

So now you become God? when will you decide, where will we go? I am realy curious If I will go to heaven or hell?

Anatolia is land of Greeks, Armenians, and Kurds. Turks are barbaric. I dont evaluate them as human beings.

It is sad, these unhuman beings ruled your nation 1.000 year. What did your nation? Nothing.

Even In northern kurdistan, You cannot find any building done by your ancestors.

Oh maybe you will begin to talk about Selahhattin, but That kurd was educated by Selcuk unhumans.

Mongol boy, good to see that confessed that selcuk barbars were unnhuman;

BTW this is turkomongol unhumans who need to educate themselves history. Pure mongol turk, whole of your dirty history is perverted and falsified.

[tomjez]

you need to be educated as well, being more racist than the most racist of turks is not really glorious...pathetic

[Saipul]

Turkish military agrees with me...

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Turkish military in new power play
By SELCAN HACAOGLU, Associated Press Writer

ANKARA, Turkey - Turkey's top general on Monday accused the Islamic-rooted ruling party of nurturing fundamentalism, in harsh comments that may indicate a renewed resolve by the military to force its way into the center of the country's political life.

Turkey's generals, who are empowered to defend the nation's secular traditions, have carried out three coups since 1971 and last pressured an Islamic government to quit less than a decade ago.

"Aren't there those who at every opportunity express the need to redefine secularism? Are they not in the most senior positions of the state?" Gen. Yasar Buyukanit said in a speech.

"If you cannot answer 'no' to these questions, then there is a threat of Islamic fundamentalism in Turkey, and every measure must be taken against this threat."

His comments appeared to be a direct response to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who was quoted Monday as saying in the United States that Turkey faced "no threat of Islamic fundamentalism." Erdogan met Monday with President Bush in Washington for talks about Turkey's fight with autonomy-seeking Kurdish rebels.

The military suspects the government is allowing a creeping Islamization in this predominantly Muslim country governed by strict secular laws that separate religion and state. It fears that if left unchecked, Islamic fundamentalism will lead to a theocracy like that in
Iran under the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

The government has appointed Islamic-minded officials to key civil posts, and governing party members have questioned the definition of secularism. Military leaders suspect the government is prioritizing an Islamic agenda over Turkey's bid for
European Union membership.

But many Western observers — including EU officials weighing Turkey's candidacy — see the military as just as much a threat to democracy as Islamists. The generals are accused of promoting a dangerous breed of nationalism, advocating strict controls on civil liberties, and cracking down on Kurds.

Despite outside criticism, the military enjoys widespread veneration in Turkey — a factor that complicates Erdogan's efforts to rein it in.

There was wide public support for the last military coup in 1980, which ended street fighting between leftist and right-wing militants. The military staged two other coups, in 1960 and 1971, and in 1997 pressured an Islamic government out of power.

In Ankara on Monday, few critics of the military could be found.

"The military is fulfilling its duty, they're not interfering with democracy at all," said Kenan Sayilgan, 34. "I expect them to make their voice heard more in the near future. They are just responding to the actions of the government."

Seeing EU membership as the final project in Turkey's modernization, the military grudgingly accepted reforms recommended by the 25-nation bloc that reduced its hold over the National Security Council, a forum of military and political leaders often used by generals to impose their will on the government.

However, the military has chafed at EU demands that it withdraw 40,000 troops from EU-member Cyprus and extend minority rights to Kurds.

Since taking office in 2002, Erdogan has spoken out against restrictions on wearing Islamic-style headscarfs in government offices and schools and bolstered religious schools. He tried to criminalize adultery before being forced to back down under intense EU pressure. Some party-run municipalities have taken steps to ban alcohol consumption.

The government has even inserted religious references in school text books — such as claims that washing before Islamic prayers would increase the number of red blood cells.

"This example shows that it is worthwhile to be cautious against fundamentalism in this country," Sedat Ergin, editor-in-chief of daily Milliyet, told CNN-Turk television on Monday.

President Ahmet Necdet Sezer, a staunch secularist, said Sunday that the government's actions were "rolling back" the gains of the secular republic.

Erdogan's party swept elections in 2002 and is still the leading contender next year, but he may find himself preoccupied with trying to contain the military's anger. He urged the military not to overstep legal boundaries set by the constitution, according to comments published Monday by the state-owned Anatolia news agency.

"The Turkish armed forces must act according to this definition. It cannot step outside of that," Erdogan said Sunday in a speech at Georgetown University.

Buyukanit dismissed criticism that he was threatening democracy.

"Which action of the military is undemocratic?" Buyukanit asked. "I am a soldier, and I am carrying out the duties given to me by laws. As soldiers, we have nothing to do with politics. However, if there are those who are disturbed by our assessments on security and the regime, it is up to them."

[BlueEyedCat]

Saipul, just read some history before making comments. Actually Turkey was the leader of Islamic World. Haven't you read anything about Khilafet ? Turkey abolished Institution of the Caliphate. Why the hell would we abolish Caliphate if we want to be leader of Islamic World ?

[Diri]

Saipul, just read some history before making comments. Actually Turkey was the leader of Islamic World. Haven't you read anything about Khilafet ? Turkey abolished Institution of the Caliphate. Why the hell would we abolish Caliphate if we want to be leader of Islamic World ?

Atatürk abolished the Caliphate, not the people... He was a disillusioned man who thought he would "modernize" Turkey... And he also broke his promise to give the Kurds autonomy/federalism...

[Saipul]

I'm not talking about history. I'm talking about now.

[zurderer]

And can you tell me, how is turkey trying to lead islamic world?

our biggest allies are still, USA-Israel-UK.

[Diri]

And can you tell me, how is turkey trying to lead islamic world?

our biggest allies are still, USA-Israel-UK.

Good point

[Vladimir]

And can you tell me, how is turkey trying to lead islamic world?

our biggest allies are still, USA-Israel-UK.

Don't say that to Turks;).

And there are building made by Kurds in "North-Kurdistan". For instance Ehmede Xani tomb and Ibrahim Pasha palace.

[zurderer]

Don't say that to Turks;).

Hehe indeed this is not a reality my people like.

And there are building made by Kurds in "North-Kurdistan". For instance Ehmede Xani tomb and Ibrahim Pasha palace.

I have no knowledge about Ehmede xani tomb, but If I remember correct, Ibrahim paşa place was made at ottoman times.