Turkish Union - realistic?

[Vladimir]

I remember Turkish students getting money from EU to study in Europe and being anti-Europe and saying Europe wants to divide Turkey.

[Diri]

:lol: I remember Turkish students getting money from EU to study in Europe and being anti-Europe and saying Europe wants to divide Turkey.

That doesn't make sense...

1) They paid Turks to come and study in Europe?
2) They wanted them to be anti-Europe?
3) They propagated that Europe wishes to divide Turkey?


What? That doesn't make sense...

[Vladimir]

:lol: I remember Turkish students getting money from EU to study in Europe and being anti-Europe and saying Europe wants to divide Turkey.

That doesn't make sense...

1) They paid Turks to come and study in Europe?
2) They wanted them to be anti-Europe?
3) They propagated that Europe wishes to divide Turkey?


What? That doesn't make sense...

One makes sense. 2 and 3 doesn't. The Turkish students just used EU-money. EU doesn't check ideology before sending them to European countries.

[Diri]

:lol: I remember Turkish students getting money from EU to study in Europe and being anti-Europe and saying Europe wants to divide Turkey.

That doesn't make sense...

1) They paid Turks to come and study in Europe?
2) They wanted them to be anti-Europe?
3) They propagated that Europe wishes to divide Turkey?


What? That doesn't make sense...

One makes sense. 2 and 3 doesn't. The Turkish students just used EU-money. EU doesn't check ideology before sending them to European countries.

You're saying the EU WANTED the Turks to be anti-European... I think you meant something else?

[Vladimir]

You just don't get it kaka:p. They use EU grants for European uni's. But they maintain their xenophobic ideas.

[Diri]

You just don't get it kaka:p. They use EU grants for European uni's. But they maintain their xenophobic ideas.

I would have gotten it, kake, if you had phrased yourself correctly...

Well that is just typical - isn't it? And University level education is very independent - so no wonder if people keep walking around in their own little bubbles...

[SinekSekiz]

The idea behind Turkish union is more like checking available options. EU is making so deficult for us to join in so we have to look at alternatives. But this is almost impossible because of diffirences between Turkey with any other Turkish nation. We ofcourse love and help each other but because of the culturel differences over almost a thousand years of sepperation this is just an utopia. If you think such an union you can easly imagine how powerful it could get.

I do not understand most of the people in these forums. How come you insult a nation so much and expect to get respect and sensible answers. As far as I can see there is a hatred growing against to Turkey in these forums. Well it is not likely to help people who wants to destroy you when they get the first chance but I will tell you this. If you like to effect more people with anti-Turkish propoganda stop insulting and start making sence.

If you are not making a propaganda against Turkey so stop insulting anway because you are giving the idea.

[Piling]

Firstly ,they need a ''kurdish nation'' also a culture, litarature,language,civilization

In fact you know nothing about Kurdish literature, history, music, culture, which are as old as Turkish's . But it only shows that you are ignorant.

[xosere]

The idea behind Turkish union is more like checking available options. EU is making so deficult for us to join in so we have to look at alternatives. But this is almost impossible because of diffirences between Turkey with any other Turkish nation. We ofcourse love and help each other but because of the culturel differences over almost a thousand years of sepperation this is just an utopia. If you think such an union you can easly imagine how powerful it could get.

Well, do Turkey and EU share similar cultures? Obviously, cultural differences between
Europe and Turkey is as vast as between central Asia and Turkey. At least, Central Asia
is mostly Muslim.

You don't make any sense at all.

I think Turkic union is impossible just because Mongol in Central Asia are not interested in a Turkic
union, and they don't see themselves Turkish. They see themselves as Kirgiz, Kazak, and so on.
I talked to some of them. Neither they look like Turks in Anatolia, nor they have any sympathy for them.

[xosere]

Firstly ,they need a ''kurdish nation'' also a culture, litarature, language,civilization

In fact you know nothing about Kurdish literature, history, music, culture, which are as old as Turkish's . But it only shows that you are ignorant.

In general, Turks are ignorant of almost anything outside of Turkey and American movies
After going through the nationalist propaganda of Turkish education system for years and years,
Turkish kids think others are just inferior people while they think they are superior:) So, you can't
tell them something different. They won't understand.

Turkish literature, history, music, culture have their roots in other cultures, especially other
Anatolian cultures. However, because Turks want to look like to Europeans and Americans, they don't
even care for Turkish culture anymore. Their music has become western, their cloths are western,
the language--which has more Iranic words than Turkic words--borrowing tons of words from English.

So, I don't understand why they want to look proud for something that does not specifically belong
them. After all they don't respect to what they call "Turkish culture." It is very funny.

An example of Turkish culture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB_ybR2jd2w&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

[Barış]

I think some Turks are ignorant...

I kinda like that song/video.

I'm not realy certain Turkic Union is realistic. Maybe after Turkey doesn't join the E.U, then will want own stability and unity. Such as Equal membership that offers no country's hegemony, but rather sharing responsibility and statehood. Some people and politicians in Turkey think that each Central Turkic state has a real statehood and nationhood. The idea that Central Asia is not 5 states of 1 nation but 1 nation from 5 states. With the prerequisite that sources and resources are well shared, mutual respect and welfare are provided, responsibility is equally distributed, Turkic Union could be realistic, if you think about the inevitable process of globalization , that is exploitation.

[xosere]

I think some Turks are ignorant...

I kinda like that song/video.

The song might be good or bad. Doesn't matter. The importance of the song
is the current western influence on Turkish people. That song is I think 15
years old. So, its not that old.

[Barış]

I think some Turks are ignorant...

I kinda like that song/video.

The song might be good or bad. Doesn't matter. The importance of the song
is the current western influence on Turkish people. That song is I think 15
years old. So, its not that old.

Okey, I get back on topic of the Turkic Union...







The more I think about BIG China, the Turkic Union idea becomes realy unrealistic.

[SinekSekiz]

The idea behind Turkish union is more like checking available options. EU is making so deficult for us to join in so we have to look at alternatives. But this is almost impossible because of diffirences between Turkey with any other Turkish nation. We ofcourse love and help each other but because of the culturel differences over almost a thousand years of sepperation this is just an utopia. If you think such an union you can easly imagine how powerful it could get.

Well, do Turkey and EU share similar cultures? Obviously, cultural differences between
Europe and Turkey is as vast as between central Asia and Turkey. At least, Central Asia
is mostly Muslim.

You don't make any sense at all.

I think Turkic union is impossible just because Mongol in Central Asia are not interested in a Turkic
union, and they don't see themselves Turkish. They see themselves as Kirgiz, Kazak, and so on.
I talked to some of them. Neither they look like Turks in Anatolia, nor they have any sympathy for them.

You tell me that I do not make sense but you repaeat what I said afterwards. I did not and would not go in to so much detail something utopic or mostly impposible. And we do know what is what in the Central Asia. I said it would be really powerful because of the reserves and the population and production potantial of such union. It would be almost as big as China...

Even Ottoman Empire tried and faild to do this because of geographic problems. So as I said it's just considered as an option and would not get to much attention but still there is lots of bussiness agreement between this countries and Republic of Turkey.

And EU is just a market for us. We have lots of product but too many kotas to walk around. So it is a good idea to join in to world second richest market after America. Do not you think?

So our primary objective is EU. If it would not happen we would ofcourse try alternatives or create them. Because our production is so high we have a term called Over-export in Turkey which is because of this troublesome kotas.

PS: About the clip. Please do a search in youtube based on "Kurdish Pop" "Kurdish Hiphop" etc. (here is an example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOHksXl9PSE&feature=relateda&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKVYgt4IIvo&feature=related&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

) and get ready to have a big laugh... Please stop being funny guys. You can not follow Turkish or any other nations or race culture from tv. They just work based on reiting.

PPS: I have to critisize the moderation of this forum because people just talk about anything in any topic. If you like to laugh about a Turkish singer, artist, writer that you watch, listen or read more then your own please do it in a sepperate topic. I can give you some suggestions. Like old Turkish movies. Especially Cuneyt Arkins ones. There is a classic called the man whom saved the world. : ) Because ,right now, you look like an old woman who insults the other one at any chance they get. : D

[Savy]

The idea behind Turkish union is more like checking available options. EU is making so deficult for us to join in so we have to look at alternatives. But this is almost impossible because of diffirences between Turkey with any other Turkish nation. We ofcourse love and help each other but because of the culturel differences over almost a thousand years of sepperation this is just an utopia. If you think such an union you can easly imagine how powerful it could get.

Well, do Turkey and EU share similar cultures? Obviously, cultural differences between
Europe and Turkey is as vast as between central Asia and Turkey. At least, Central Asia
is mostly Muslim.

You don't make any sense at all.

I think Turkic union is impossible just because Mongol in Central Asia are not interested in a Turkic
union, and they don't see themselves Turkish. They see themselves as Kirgiz, Kazak, and so on.
I talked to some of them. Neither they look like Turks in Anatolia, nor they have any sympathy for them.

You tell me that I do not make sense but you repaeat what I said afterwards. I did not and would not go in to so much detail something utopic or mostly impposible. And we do know what is what in the Central Asia. I said it would be really powerful because of the reserves and the population and production potantial of such union. It would be almost as big as China...

Even Ottoman Empire tried and faild to do this because of geographic problems. So as I said it's just considered as an option and would not get to much attention but still there is lots of bussiness agreement between this countries and Republic of Turkey.

And EU is just a market for us. We have lots of product but too many kotas to walk around. So it is a good idea to join in to world second reacest market after America. Do not you think?

So our primary objective is EU. If it would not happen we would ofcourse try alternatives or create them. Because our production is so high we have a term called Over-export in Turkey which is because of this troublesome kotas.

SinekSekiz, uyu olm


Well, things with the central asia is a lot more complicated than you assume. First of all, all of those states are run by a handful tyranns not willing to share neither wealth nor power.
Secondly, the total population of Turkic countries (including Turkey) hardly reaches up to 100 million. So its size is smaller than you think. Their resources are plenty, but it is the prime reason why they will be reluctant to unify since they will have to share their limited resources with others.

And Turkey's production is not so high, au contraire, it is low. Check the export/import ratio. Foreign capital must increasingly flow into Turkey in order to balance the current deficit.