ASSYRIA

[Rumtaya]

yes listen diri there are like 1,5 mio assyrians in iraq i think the most one live in bagdad and that area.

ONE VERY IMPOTAN THING YOU HV TO KNOW DONT SEE CHALDEANS AS AN OWN NATION THEY ARE ASSYRIANS ABOUT THE SO CALLED CHALDEANS OF TODAY I CAN GIVE YOU LATER A LINK THEN YOULL READ ABOUT IT.

BECAUSE THE NAME CHALDEAN IS JUST USED FOR THE CATHOLIC ASSYRIANS THIS NAME HV BEEN GIVEN TO THE ASSYRIAN CATHOLIC IN THE YEAR OF 1551 FROM THE ROMAN PATRIACH TO SEPARTE THE ASSYRIANS.

THE CHALDEANS WHO CALL THEM SO ARE IN THE MAJORITY FROM THE NINEVEHPLAINS AND THE ASSYRIANS WHO RIGHTLY CALL THEMSELF SO ARE ON THE MAJORITY FROM HAKKARI ETC.

THERE HV BEEN ALOT OF PEOPLE WENT OUT OF NORTHENIRAQ CAUSE OF THE SECOND GUFL WAR SO YOU HV TO TAKE TO THIS 500 000 ASSYRIANS DO LIKE I KNOW LIVE NOW IN NORTHEN IRAQ AND TO THEM YOU HV COUNT LIKE 300 000-500 000 WHO HV RUN AWAY.

BECAUSE I THINK THERE WILL BE MANY ASSYRIANS WHO GO BACK TO AN ASSYRIAN STATE IF IT WILL BE SET UPI HOPEFULLY SOON.

AND ALSO I WISH THE KURD AN INDEPENDET KURDISTAN.

BUT DEAR DIRI I AM BORN IN SYRIA IN NORTH EAST WITH NORTHEN IRAQ I DONT HV SO MUCH TO DO BUT I WANNA VISIT IT IN FUTURE.

[Diri]

My tribe is from Hakkarî/Urmiye - I was born in Urmiye... But my tribe has land on both sides of the border... So we have land in Hakkarî/Culemêrg as we call it...

jamba t kurdaye

What does it mean then??? Jamba... I can't relate it to anything right away...


Yes - I knew about that - Assyrians and Armenians have always lived side by side with Kurds... There are Christian graveyards in Sêro - My village and there are Churches in all of what we call Central Kurdistan... Also there are many Churches in ALL of Kurdistan - before Kurds became Muslim we were mostly Yezidi (Yarzanî), Jew and Christians...

The christian burialgrounds in Sêro are letf un touched... They are preserved and looked after -as I hope they do other places to honur the dead...

Rumtaya - Do you live in Iraq now or where are you??? And do you thave an estimate of how many Assyrians there are world wide?

[Diri]

Okey - I was not aware that there were so many Assyrians in Iraq... But I see what you mean - but still - It is better to hold a refferendum in Duhok... Because Kurds have been living there for a long time... But I for one think you can have all the land east of the Tigris - because there is very little Kurds on this side in comparison to Duhok - where a majority are Kurds...

OF course I am for an Assyrian state... So I hope you can have your areas too...

[Diri]

Yes - I know that Cheldeans are the same as Assyrians - They have even signed a declaration that says that they are all the same nation - and on the paper they call their nation "Cheldo-Assyrian"... I have seen that link you wanna show me... I have been to some Assyrian sites and read about Assyrians... There they said that there are about 4.5 million Assyrians in the world...

[Rumtaya]

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0412/S00050.htm


go read it so youll know better how many assyrian live in iraq

there is a big part just talking arabic

[Rumtaya]

one more interesting thing there is a assyrian football team called Assyriska Södjertalje its in the first swedish league they have made a thing non other team has done.


as an immigration team come in the first leauge of a country


http://www.assyria.se

their homepage

[dyaoko]

for a future with an kurdish and Assyrian State long life the freedom.

I hope too an assyrian state is a good WAll against Arabic country ...so if they wantt o attack to us...they first have to defeat you

did you know that a a big part of todays assyrians livied not only in northen iraq also in the southeast turkey, like my grandpa is original from the hakkari district and there is the village of my clan its called jamba t kurdaye the funny think is the word kurdaye like you know kurds. the name is so cause my clan had some kurdish neighbours which lived in a harmony together and my grand pa had kurdish field worker who came to him and ask him sometimes what to do if they wanted like to build a house or so like ploitcal things.

yeah in Herme , (Urumya) (in the iranina kurdistan)there are few Assyrians...
I ask myself...how they have come to here? the truth is...it seems like that it has been their own land...

[Rumtaya]

yes my friend that is the truth assyrians live in this areas more them 5000 years.


haha if ther is an assyrian state arabs will never try to attack us they just hear the name assyrians and run away like naked chickens hahah.

yes there are to many arab countries this stupid people they follow to stronge the islam.

by kurdish people i dont seam then cover therer head and so. they are like european or assyrian pople

[Diri]

by kurdish people i dont seam then cover therer head and so. they are like european or assyrian pople

Kurds are secular... We are first KURDS and then we are muslim... but there are many Kurds who believe in Christianity and Judaism and Yezidi religion which is ancient Kurdish religion...

yes my friend that is the truth assyrians live in this areas more them 5000 years.

Yes - you are right... You have been living there for VERY long time... And Kurds have been living there for a very long time too... When Assyria fell in 612 BC Medya and Babylonia divided Assyria between them... So since 612 Kurds have been living in South East Turkey (North Kurdistan) and North Syria (West Kurdistan) and North Iraq (South Kurdistan) .... Before Kurds lived more in the land between Urmiye and Tehran... But that was LOOOONG ago... Now there are no large Kurdish groups east of Hemedan...
Except the Khoresan Kurds which live on the border to Turkmenistan - but they were moved there by the Persians...

[Rumtaya]

yes but the original assyrians areas are the nineveh plains and the southeast turkey.

there have been onetime a yezedi by us he had an assyrian symbole on his neck hanging

it was the assyrian national god.

look we always say yezedin hv assyrian blood just they keep beliving at other kind of god like we christian or moslems do today.

[Diri]

Really? You are saying that you believe the Yezidi are Assyrians???

Well - they are calling themselves Kurds from what I know... They have been prosecuted for mot believing in Islam by the Ottomans and by the Arabs...

So tell me about these national gods you had in Assyrian culture...

Before all Kurds used to be Yezidi... And when Islam came we were mostly forced to convert to it...

But some Kurds kept their religion... Alevi, Yezidi and Ehlê Heq are three branches of what we call the "Cult of Angels"... Or as it is known in English: YARSAN ...


I read the article... It says that there are 1.75 million Assyrians in Iraq... And from what I have read before there are 4-5 million Assyrians in the whole world... Mostly they live in America and Western Europe...

Do you know why we call that land Kurdistan? Because today there are mostly Kurds living there... I know that there are some historical and ancient Assyrian palaces, castles, churches and other landmarks there - but there are few Assyrians living in Iran, Turkey and Syria... Most of them liove as you said in Baghdad, Mosul and Basra... And as you said many of them speak Arabic - specially the ones that live in these three cities.. And also you have many villages that are only Assyrians...

Kurdistan Regional Government has been very good to Assyrians - they have restored and built more than 20 churches for them and they have given them 2 seats in the Kurdistan National Assembly... And there are some Assyrians on the Kurdistan Alliance party... What is his name - Sarkis - he is a minister in Kurdistan Region...

[Rumtaya]

well i hear that from our people that yezedis hv something to do with assyrians i am not sure about it.


look before the genozid from year 1915 there has been a population of todays turkey like 14 000 000 and from them there have been 20% christian faith so we see that that is like

so we see that is 2 800 000 million christian the majority of it assyrians and armaneas just few greeks.

and the christians today in turkey are like from the 60 mio just 0,03 mio that is maybe some 50 000 or less.

the whole southern turkey has been keept from assyrians and armeans and also some kurds but they havent been there the majority.

look in syria i tell you there are like 500 000 assyrians you know the so called syriac people this are also assyrians but speak in the majority arabic cause they have made to arabs.


And to that i have can tell there are like 2-2,5 mio people still in the middle east but the goverment of this countries always make them just a few.

Yes but listen brother

like we say Hakkari if ill come there and go to the place my grandpa was from i think there are now kurds and tell them sorry but this is my grandpas house and place can i have it back i am sure they will shoot me.

They knew its assyrian place but they dont want to loose place do you get my point of the kurdistan what you guys have in the map i can tell that like 30% it is assyrian country or area i hope you dont get mad but its a very bad thing what happend to assyrians and in the patch of aina.org there is a list of what happend to assyrians you can read it.

i am sure there were also bad things happend to kurds but as far not as we had cause of our faith we had a very very bad past. i wish the future is going to be much better for bouth of our nations.

[Rumtaya]

AH ONE THING MORE TO OUR NATIONAL GOD WE JUST HAD ONE

LOOK THE ASSYRIAN NATION HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE GRANDSON OF NOAH HIS NAME WAS ASHUR AND THAT IS HOW OUR NATION AND OUR STATE WAS CALLED AFTER HIM.

SO YOU CAN SAY WE HAVE THE NAME OF THE OLD ASSYRIAN NATIONAL GOD ASHUR

AND WER CALL OURSELF LIKE THIS WITH ASHURAYE

LIKE THE ROMAN EMPIRE THE FOUNDER WAS ROMULUS THIS STORY YOU SHOULD KNOW AND THE EMPIRE WAS CALLED THEN AFTER HIM THE ROMANS

GOOD THAT IT WASNT CALLED REM AFTER HIS BROTHER REMULUS HAHA

[Armenian]

Hello my Assyrian friend. Our two nation's history goes way back.

Noah and Ararat.
Immodestly, Armenians consider themselves direct descendants of Noah, survivor of the Biblical flood. According to Genesis, ...the boat came to rest on a mountain in the Ararat range. Ararat, located in the heart of Armenia, was a Holy Mountain for the peoples of the ancient world. Many ancient scriptures placed the Biblical Garden of Eden in the Land of Armenia also called the Land of Ararat.

Tradition states that Noah founded Nakhichevan, the oldest of the Armenian cities. Moses Khorenatsi , historian of the 5th century, presents a detailed genealogy of the Armenian forefather Haik from Japheth, Noah's son. Thus, the territory of the Armenian Plateau is regarded as the cradle of civilization, the initial point for the further spreading of mankind all around the world.

Haik.
The oldest myths reflect the wars of ancient Armenians against the neighboring Assyrians. Haik, considered the patriarch of the Armenian people, led his army to defeat the Assyrian giant Baeleus. By approximately 2100 BC, a prototype of the first Armenian state was founded. Even now, Armenians call themselves Hai (pronounced high), and their country - Haik or Haiastan, in honor of Haik. The Hittite scripts also mention a Haiasa country. Meanwhile, the Assyrian cuneiform writings designate Armenia as Urartu (Arartu), which means Ararat. The Old Testament also associates Armenia with the Mount Ararat (the Kingdom of Ararat).
In ancient times, Armenia was equally associated with the rivers Tigris, Euphrates, Araks and Kura. That is why the neighboring Assyrians also called Armenia, Nairi, standing for Riverland, Country of Rivers.
Haik, once thought to be just a hero of an epic legend, is presently accepted by some researches as an actual chieftain of Armens in the 3rd millennium BC. Historians proved that later Haik was deified and proclaimed the prime god in the pantheon of gods in the pagan Armenia.
One of Haik's most famous scions, Aram, considerably extended the borders of his country, transforming it into a powerful state. Since then, Greeks and Persian began to call the country Armenia, i.e. the country of Aram.

[Armenian]

The Armenians, an ancient people living on an ancient land, call Armenia "Hayastan," and themselves "Hai." Oral history explains the lineage of the Armenian people as being the direct descendants of Noah's son Japheth. The indigenous people of the land of Ararat, Armenians forged their national identity with the rise of powerful Armenian kingdoms, the adoption of Christianity as Armenia's state religion, and the creation of the Armenian alphabet, which spurred the development of literature, philosophy, and science.