ASSYRIA

[Rumtaya]

WHY I DID SEE NOW WITH THE POLL

THERE IS ONE TIME

YES, LET THEM HAVE ONE

NO, WE CANT LET THEM HAVE ONE

AND THE ONE I THINK WHICH IS NOT TO MAKE

AS IT IS OUT OF KURDISTAN.

I THINK ASSYRIA IS LIKE 40-50% IN THE KURDISH AREA SO IT WILL BE HARD TO TALK ABOUT IT WHO WILL GET WHAT


AND YES WHAT MY ARMENIA BROTHER SAID DONT GET MAD IF WE TALK ABOUT KURDS BUT THAT HAVE BEEN SO.

BUT I MORE TAKE THE PLACE OF THE TURKISH PEOPLE WHO HAVE PLANED IT

[Diri]

Naturally - I understand you... I know you don't have bad intentions - I know that some Kurds have done bad things like that... But there are bad people everywhere - and we can only ask for forgiveness from those they oppressed, killed and victimized... Why should I get angry? It is true - in the PAST Kurds have done bad things... I can't deny that - then I would be Turkish! But I am a Kurd and I agree - it was cruel and unjust of them!... But I look ahead and see friendship and brotherhood - not war (Except war with Turkey)


When I was first told about the Genocide I was told that it was Christian's who were genocided - And that was right - because Greek, Armenian AND Assyrians were genocided - mostly because it was part of the plan to build TURKISH state - but also because they abused Islam and said that they should get rid of all Christians... Today we resent that idea - as many Kurds did back then... But today we are definetly behind our Christian brothers and sisters... We wan't you to win - because if you win your claims of genocide Kurds win too - it will show that Turkey is a terrorist state and that they are still oppressing Kurds, Christians and other minorities...

Kurds have suffered alot too my brother - before 1919 mostly Christians were targeted - but after that Kurds were the main enemy of Turks...
I have here som pictures that are quite sad -

WARNING - THE PICTURES CONTAIN MOLESTATIONS OF HUMANS. AKA TURKISH CRUELTY!

Kurds suffered at the hands of Iraq:


















Kurds suffered at the hands of Turkey:




















Kurds suffered at the hands of Iran:













I hope you see my point... Kurds have suffered great loss... Just like our Assyrian, Armenian and Hellenic brothers... In the future our four states - and Israel - would be good allies in a less democratic Middle East... We should get used to the thought of being the neighbours we once were...

I think that many Kurds, Armenians and Assyrians still need to come to terms with history and accept the realities... We must move on and build something strong and bullet proof...

Today the Middle East is a result of power and money... Oil - has been very nicely termed "the black death" by Rumtaya - and I absolutly agree...

Once we were Kings of our nations - now we are deprived of basic rights... Turkey has been around for way too long and needs to be put in place - They can not go on denying the truth about their monstrous past and the HORRIBLE facts of the genocides they have conducted...

The time has come for Ermenî, Ashurî and Kurd to be Kings once again...

[Armenian]

Personally I don't think Israel is making any effort to be in good relations with Armenians, Assyrians and Kurds. They have been preventing resolutions about Armenian, Assyrian and Kurdish genocided in U.S congress for many years. Personally I know that all resolutions about Armenian Genocides were all prevented by Jewish lobbyists in U.S Congress. And read that Turkish government had worked very closely with Jews and they were very aware of the attrocities commited by Turks. Lastly they do not recognize the genocides commited against our ancestors because they want their Holaucast to stand out.

[Rumtaya]

yes my friend i know what also happend after the second world war with the kurdish people. dont think i just have information about my own nation that would be wrong you have always to see bouth sites and that i always do.

but there are some things if you read them of the genozid you get mad you cant stop the armenian and assyrian at the time of genozid have been killed like you kill a sheep our woman have been abused and our children make to muslims. there are like 3-5 millon assyrian muslims in turkey living.


to the kurdish people that have been happend in this centery with you i know that and i am very sory for every innocent killed person that does heart my hart.

you know we are christians and we handle after the words of jesus forgive and pray for your enemy. but that is also sometimes hard to make

but i wish a better future where we have on a map a kurdistan and an assyrian and for sure more land for armenian.

[Diri]

yes my friend i know what also happend after the second world war with the kurdish people. dont think i just have information about my own nation that would be wrong you have always to see bouth sites and that i always do.

Yes I kind of thought that you knew about the Kurdish people... I agree - nothing is ever black or white - things are always complicated and need indepth research... And I am glad that you knew these things before!

but there are some things if you read them of the genozid you get mad you cant stop the armenian and assyrian at the time of genozid have been killed like you kill a sheep our woman have been abused and our children make to muslims. there are like 3-5 millon assyrian muslims in turkey living.

Yes there are many provoking and hurtfull facts about our common history in the Middle East and specially in the "Turkey"... You know there are Christian Kurds too - they were also forced to convert to Islam and those who didn't were killed... I believe that there are only 15 % ethnic Turks in "Turkey" - ca 30 million Kurds (ca 10-15 million of these are assimilated) - and the rest are Ethnically Armenian, Greek and Assyrian - also there are MANY Laz/Georgians...

to the kurdish people that have been happend in this centery with you i know that and i am very sory for every innocent killed person that does heart my hart.

They have suffered yes... But let's look to the future and now... They still suffer... Every day in Turkey Kurds suffer... Today two Kurdish politicians were sentenced to 7 and 6 months of jail for speaking Kurdish...

you know we are christians and we handle after the words of jesus forgive and pray for your enemy. but that is also sometimes hard to make

Yes I know about what Prophet Jesus said - Prophet Mohammed also said it... Pray for your enemies... Show mercy... But be cautious...

but i wish a better future where we have on a map a kurdistan and an assyrian and for sure more land for armenian.

I am working on some great plans and I need help from two Assyrians, two Armenians and one Kurd...

[Diri]

My idea is: The group consisting of two persons from each the three peoples will travel in Assyria, Armenia and Kurdistan - their main goal is to produce a map of Assyria, Greater Armenia and Kurdistan... They will travel through Kurdistan, Assyria and Armenia and they will visite every disputed village and town to decide which parts of the Middle East belongs to what people... To legitimize the new Middle East map we need to have the company of several voulanteers from Europe and some from the US... People who just wanna join the expedition for the fun of it... When all the cities have been marked as either Assyrian, Armenian, Kurdish,Turkish, Arabic or Persian we can provide maps that are reliable...

How do we know which place belongs to what people?

There are two types of criterias:

1) PEOPLE and 2) HISTORY


Criterias for PEOPLE:
Who lives there? (Who is the majority of the population)
Who do the local people attribute the town/village to? (The general oppinion of the locals)
Who lived there 100 and 50 years ago? (Have the Assyrians/Armenians who lived there been genocided?)


Criterias for HISTORY:
Who do the historical monuments belong to? (Assyrian, Armenian, Kurdish or non of them)
Which religious communities are/were based in the town/village? (Are there Churches, Mosques or Lalesh in the area?)
What do historians say about the area? (Compare different sources to find a credible story)



ETC ETC ETC... There can be MANY more criterias... Have you got anymore to add?

I know it is a very hard thing to do - this is "Mission Impossible" - but not really - if we want to do it we CAN do it... In the end - only such an expedition would provide a fair and just provision of the lands of Mesopotamia, Caucasus, Anatolia and the Iranian Plateu...

Our political leaders would have a credible and fair strategy to follow... And our peoples would be united in their demands... We can be much stronger if we stand together - but we are ever stronger when we know what we want...

Any questions?

[ellinas]

i have many informations about assyria, history of place and much more. i will publish it as i find time i can't do all in the same time. hope understand. saty tuned!

[Armenian]

http://www.anahit.am/people/assyrians.html

[Diri]

Nice site Armenian... I liked that article a lot - except for one thing - Yezidi are Kurds... In Armenia they accept them as two different "nations" but this is not a good thing... It spilts the Kurds... The Yezidi speak Kurdish as their first language and all their religious rituals are in Kurdish... So - ergo they are Kurds...

[Armenian]

Really? I didn't know that.

[Diri]

Which part? About Armenia spliting them into two nations or about them being Kurds?

Because if you go to Yezidis in Armenia and talk to them they will tell you they have Pêshmergas in the PKK...

Here are some links about the Yezidi Kurds in Armenia:

http://www.minelres.lv/minelres/archive/05161999-10:58:02-18147.html

http://www.kurdmedia.com/printarticles.asp?id=2245

And this is the most disturbing:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/kurdish/htdocs/lib/armen.html

[Armenian]

Yes but as I understand it is not the Ezdis who do not consider themselves Kurds. Armenians don't have anything to do with it. I am right?

[Armenian]

Back next door, Tamoyan reacts angrily. "Nobody has the right to say such things. If we are Kurds, why were 300,000 Yezidi killed along with 1.5 million Armenians during the Genocide [in Ottoman Turkey]? Why did they [the Turks and Kurds] deport us? The Kurds are the enemies of both the Armenians and the Yezidi."

Indeed, most of Armenia ’s Yezidi minority fled persecution and massacre in Ottoman Turkey at the beginning of the twentieth century and it is perhaps this shared experience that makes the issue of an albeit non-Moslem Kurdish identity so sensitive in the Republic

[Diri]

Realy?

What is this then?

In 1988 when Armenia became involved in the issue of the Karabagh and its independence from Azerbaijan, Azeris under duress left the new state. Thereafter the single remaining obstacle to the creation of a homogenous Armenia was the presence on Armenian soil of about 60,000 Yezidi and Muslim Kurds. In an effort to deal with the problem, Armenian nationalists initially set these two groups of Kurds against each other. Newspapers reported that Yezidi Kurds were not Kurds; but a completely distinct people. This brought loud protests from Kurdish intellectuals, among them S. Kotsyoy, candidate in Law Sciences, who made these statements whic-h appeared in the newspaper, Voice of Kurds: "Whether deliberately or not, actions in Armenia are designed to set Yezidi Kurds against Muslim Kurds. Despite this, Yezidis consider themselves Kurds and one must take that sentiment into account...During the 1989 census, suddenly the Yezidis were discovered, as if they were a people formerly unknown. The word 'Yezidi' was used to qualify the nationality of many Yezidi Kurds, although the government refused to change their passports. This of course causes many international difficulties. Almost all Yezidis and their intelligentsia consider themselves Kurds and reject the artificial division of the nation. I raised the issue of the unfair separation of Yezidis from the Kurdish tree because it is a total absurdity."

[Armenian]

That's interesting. It's the first time I heard those things were happening in Armenia.