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Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:35 pm
Author: Londoner

Re: Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:16 pm
Author: Anthea
At the moment there are still more questions than answers:

Will the coup succeed?

It would appear that both the heavily armed police and MIT are fighting against the military :shock:

Will Erdogan be allowed to enter the country?

Has he really run to Germany of some other country?

How will this coup affect the Kurds?

Re: Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:36 am
Author: Anthea
Outline of events surrounding Turkish coup

Islamic Turkish Police defend themselves and ISIS from the Fascist Kemalist Army

An army group in Turkey says it has taken over the country, with soldiers at strategic points in Istanbul and jets flying low in the capital, Ankara.

A statement read on TV said a "peace council" now ran the country and there was a curfew and martial law.

But PM Binali Yildirim said the situation was largely under control and a no-fly zone was declared over Ankara.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said he would overcome what he called an uprising by a minority.

In the last few minutes, Mr Erdogan's plane has landed at Istanbul airport, government sources say.

Two large explosion were also heard near Istanbul's central Taksim Square.

Earlier, there were reports of blasts at parliament building in Ankara. MPs are believed to be hiding in shelters.

CNN Turk broadcaster was reportedly taken over by soldiers, and its live broadcast was cut.

It is unclear who the plotting army group is or its level of support. Some top army officials are said to be detained.

People across Turkey are very confused and surprised, the BBC's Katy Watson in Istanbul says.

In Washington, US President Barack Obama urged all parties in Turkey to support the "democratically elected government".

Nato called for "full respect" for Turkey's democratic institutions.

Mr Erdogan earlier told CNN Turk by mobile phone the action was by a "parallel structure" that would bring the necessary response. He has used this term in the past to refer to Fethullah Gulen, a US-based Muslim cleric he accuses of fomenting unrest.

Mr Erdogan called on people to take to the streets to oppose the uprising.

He said: "I urge the Turkish people to convene at public squares and airports. I never believed in a power higher than the power of the people."

Reports earlier on Friday said the president was on holiday in the south-western resort of Marmaris.
Media caption"Here in Turkey there is confusion", reports the BBC's Katy Watson

Defying the announced curfew, a number of Erdogan supporters then turned out on Taksim Square.

There have since been reports of clashes there, with some on Twitter saying that gunfire has been heard near the square.

Mr Yildirim had earlier denounced an "illegal action" by a military "group", stressing it was not a coup. He said that the government remained in charge.

The military group's statement on national broadcaster TRT, read by an announcer, said that democratic and secular rule of law had been eroded by the current government. There would be new constitution, it said.

A Turkish presidential source told Reuters news agency that the statement was not authorised by the army's command.

There are reports Turkey's top general, General Hulusi Akar, is among those taken hostage at the military HQ.

Mr Yildirim told NTV by telephone: "There was an illegal act by a group within the military that was acting out of the chain of military command. Our people should know that we will not allow any activity that would harm democracy."

Traffic has been stopped from crossing both the Bosphorus and Fatih Sultan Mehmet bridges in Istanbul.

There are reports of gunshots and at least one loud explosion in the capital Ankara. Other reports said soldiers were inside buildings of the Turkish state broadcaster in Ankara.

Gunfire was also heard outside Istanbul police HQ and tanks are said to be stationed outside Istanbul airport. All flights are cancelled, reports say.

One European Union source told Reuters that the military action "looks like a relatively well-orchestrated coup by a substantial body of the military, not just a few colonels".

Visiting Moscow, US Secretary of State John Kerry said he hoped for peace and "continuity" in Turkey.

British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson said he was "very concerned" by events.

Anthea: everyone has something to say but very few facts coming out of Turkey

Re: Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:01 am
Author: Piling
Failed attempt, apparently. So Erdogan will be stronger than before the coup.

Re: Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:32 am
Author: Anthea
Sadly the coup has FAILED

Why sadly you may wonder

Over recent years Erdogan has become much more authoritarian and has been gradually obtaining more power for himself while at the same time turning Turkey into an Islamic State

Turkey has allowed the free movement of ISIS across it's borders while increasingly suppressing and attacking Kurds on their homeland

It is my belief that Erdogan will use this failed coup as an excuse to tighten up security throughout Turkey and wipe out any and all groups that oppose him - goodbye Kurds

Shockingly the Turkey loving HDP openly supported Erdogan

Even though the many millions of Kurds inside Turkish borders - failed to take any affirmative action what-so-ever - they will doubtless bare the brunt of Erdogan's fury and suffer an even greater onslaught

This is a sad day for Kurds and a sad day for anyone inside Turkey who believes that Turkey should remain a Secular State :shock:

Re: Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:39 am
Author: Anthea
The Latest: Report: 754 armed forces members under arrest:

State-run Anadolu Agency is reporting 754 members of the armed forces have been detained across Turkey in the wake of the attempted coup.

Anadolu says that at the Etimesgut armored units training command, in the outskirts of Ankara, some soldiers who took part in the coup attempt were arrested by fellow officers or soldiers and handed over to police.

Even as President Recep Tayyip Erdogan says the coup is being crushed and arrests made, it is not clear who is in control of military headquarters in Ankara. Erdogan has not left the Istanbul airport as dawn broke Saturday.

Re: Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:46 am
Author: Anthea
Even though during the past few hours there has been very little genuine information coming out of Turkey - Kurds in UK have been voicing their support for the coup :ymapplause:

Shame it is collapsing :(( and Erdogan is becoming stronger X(

Re: Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:18 am
Author: Anthea
Clashes at the paramilitary headquarters, while continuing, are "about to come to an end", Turkey's police chief says.

Forces loyal to Turkish president say they put down military coup attempt
Clashes at the paramilitary headquarters, while continuing, are "about to come to an end"
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said coup attempt was "act of treason"
Explosions and gunfire reported in Istanbul and Ankara
Sixty people died during overnight clashes, many of them civilians, officials say
Erdogan denounces Turkish coup attempt

Due to lack of genuine information nobody can be certain of what exactly is happening inside Turkey

Sadly it does appear that the coup has failed

Re: Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:23 am
Author: Anthea
A curfew is in place but it is not being "strictly enforced", according to BBC correspondent Katy Watson.

She says "people are slowly coming out onto the streets", that shops have started opening and that some cars and taxis are driving around. Earlier this morning in Istanbul, she says, the streets were completely empty.

Katy adds: "At the moment the government says they have the situation under control but there will be an extraordinary parliamentary meeting later in Ankara."

Re: Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:13 pm
Author: Benny
All those people killed and injured, how sad! How deeply deeply sad!


Re: Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:36 pm
Author: Londoner
A bird in hand is better than many on the tree or an egg today is better than two eggs tomorrow. On one hand I don't prefer this military coup had taken over power. Because without doubt they represented hard fascist Kemalists. They would have brought back all hard measures against Kurds in Turkey and highly probably would have declared war against KRG and Rojawa.

On the other hand, if they succeeded it would have led to a civil war, which would have benefited Kurds.

Re: Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:14 pm
Author: Piling
When we see such pictures, we could wonder if a civil war won't happen : ... 0610368512

I remember in 90s, when most of Turks supported their army and their soldiers as a sacred cause. Their "Mehmet" could slaughter, rape, burn everything and everyone in Kurdistan, no critics were allowed. These scene of public humiliation have something unreal. No doubt that beside Kurdistan, there are 2 Turkey, now and an ugly conflict which is growing.

The good news is that with all these soldiers in custody, Kurds could breath in Diyarbakir, Cizre or Şirnak.

Re: Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:30 pm
Author: Anthea
Which side would be better for Kurds in the long term?

Neither the fascist Kemalist nor Erdogan and his AK Party are good for Kurds who are stuck between 2 evils - a rose between 2 thorns :D

Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who appears to have survived a bloody attempt to remove him from power, is the most divisive leader in the history of the modern Turkish republic.

Adored by supporters as a transformative figure who modernised Turkey, his foes paint him as an increasingly despotic "Sultan" who ruthlessly shuts down any criticism.

Rising from premier to become the nation's first directly elected president in 2014, Erdogan has dreamed of boosting his hold even further by changing the constitution to give Turkey a US-style executive presidency.

- 'Big master' -

But the dramatic events of Friday night have shaken his grip on power in a way few could have imagined even a day earlier.

With a notoriously fiery temper, Erdogan is known to himself and followers as the "buyuk usta" -- the "big master" -- or simply "the Sultan".

The 61-year-old first came to power as prime minister in 2003, bringing stability after a history of coups and rocky coalitions and dragging the Muslim-majority country out of an economic quagmire.

He succeeded in clipping the wings of the military by purging elements that opposed him -- or so he claimed.

But ordinary Turks became suspicious of moves to "Islamicise" society by restricting alcohol sales, curbing the internet and even trying to ban mixed-sex dorms at state universities.

- 'Heavy price' -

Pushing for Turkey to become a top-ten economy by the republic's 100th anniversary in 2023, he launched a series of breathtakingly ambitious infrastructure projects, including a high-speed rail network and a tunnel under the Bosphorus.

But his vast new $615 million presidential palace with 1,150 rooms has been ridiculed as an absurd, tasteless extravagance -- and a symbol of his creeping authoritarianism.

And his ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) has long been accused of seeking to impose conservative Islamic values on society -- a possible point of friction with a military that has long seen itself as the guardian of Turkey's secular state.

Erdogan has faced a wave of deadly bombings as his government pursues twin military campaigns against Kurdish rebels in the south and the Islamic State group in neighbouring Syria.

But the attempted coup bid by disaffected soldiers -- the biggest challenge to his authoritarian 13-year rule -- came out of the blue.

- Critics muzzled -

After a dramatic night of chaos and bloodshed, during which nearly 200 people lost their lives, Erdogan flew into Istanbul on Saturday, denouncing the coup bid as "treachery" and warning the perpetrators they would "pay a heavy price."

In an ironic turn of events, the strongman who has in the past banned street protests and social media, took to Twitter urging supporters to remain on the streets to help ward off any new threats.

"We should keep on owning the streets tonight no matter at what stage (the coup attempt is) because a new flare-up could take place at any moment," Erdogan said.

Erdogan's authoritarianism has seen critics muzzled, with a string of journalists as well as ordinary citizens ending up in court for insulting or slandering him.

The crackdown has earned fierce international criticism for a man initially hailed in the West for creating a model Muslim democracy on Europe's eastern edge.

- Humble beginnings -

But in recent months, the AKP government has suffered a string of diplomatic crises -- making a previous foreign policy known as "zero problems with neighbours" seem almost laughable.

He faced a previous challenge to his rule in 2013 when protests over plans to redevelop Istanbul's Gezi park snowballed into mass anti-government demonstrations.

He is also known for making sometimes bizarre statements, such as declaring Muslims discovered the Americas before Columbus, that women are not equal to men and even boasting "We will wipe out Twitter".

Erdogan has now spent more than a decade at the top as the most powerful Turkish politician since founding father Ataturk, but his beginnings were humble.

The son of a coastguard officer, he is deeply proud of his roots in a working-class Istanbul suburb.

He has a degree in business administration and once played semi-professional football for an Istanbul club.

Rising to prominence in the Islamist movement, he became mayor of Istanbul in 1994, tackling urban woes such as traffic gridlock and air pollution in the megacity of 15 million.

When his religious party was outlawed, he joined demonstrations and was jailed for four months for inciting religious hatred when he recited an Islamist poem.

In 2001 Erdogan, along with long-time ally Abdullah Gul and others, founded the Islamic-rooted AKP, which had won every election since 2002 until June last year when it lost its majority for the first time.

The party bounced back in a second vote in November, boosting Erdogan's hopes once more to consolidate his power.

"The AKP is my fifth child," says Erdogan, who has two sons and two daughters.

Re: Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:14 pm
Author: Piling
Between 2 plagues (Erdogan and Kemalists) Kurds in Turkey are in a very bad situation.

Or may be Erdogan will soften his attitude toward Kurds because he won't fight in 2 conflicts, 1 in West, the 2nd in East.

Concerning KRG/Turkey relations, it is hard to guess. Erdogan initiated an alliance with KRG but it was before ISIS crisis. Kemalists were always against a Kurdish state, but if their main concern is ISIS and islamists it could incite them to accept KRG independence and to concentrate their efforts against ISIS … and the PKK-PYD also.

Re: Military coup in Turkey

PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:03 pm
Author: Anthea
Turkey Detains Thousands in Military in Bid to Regain Control

Turkey’s government rounded up thousands of military personnel on Saturday who were said to have taken part in an attempted coup, moving swiftly to re-establish control after a night of chaos and intrigue that left hundreds dead.

By noon, there were few signs that those who had taken part in the coup attempt were still able to challenge the government, and many declared the uprising a failure.

Prime Minister Binali Yildirim called the insurrection “a stain in the history of democracy” at a news conference on Saturday in Ankara, the capital. He raised the death toll in the clashes to 265, with 1,440 people wounded, and he said that 2,839 military personnel had been detained.

As the insurrection unfolded Friday night, beginning with the seizure of two bridges in Istanbul by military forces, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was not heard from for hours. He finally addressed the nation from an undisclosed location, speaking on his cellphone’s FaceTime app — a dramatic scene that seemed to suggest a man on the verge of losing power. But in the early hours of Saturday morning, he landed in Istanbul, a strong sign that the coup was failing.

Mr. Erdogan placed blame for the intrigue on the followers of Fethullah Gulen, a Muslim cleric living in exile in Pennsylvania, who was the president’s ally until a bitter falling out three years ago. Mr. Gulen’s followers were known to have a strong presence in Turkey’s police and judiciary, but less so in the military.

On Saturday morning, Mr. Erdogan said, referring to Mr. Gulen: “I have a message for Pennsylvania: You have engaged in enough treason against this nation. If you dare, come back to your country.”

In a statement released on the website of his group, Alliance for Shared Values, Mr. Gulen condemned the coup and supported the country’s democratic process.

“As someone who suffered under multiple military coups during the past five decades, it is especially insulting to be accused of having any link to such an attempt,” Mr. Gulen wrote. “I categorically deny such accusations.

Mr. Erdogan also said that Turkish fighter jets had bombed tanks on the streets of Ankara, and that a military helicopter being used by the coup plotters had been shot down.

There was also a battle early Saturday morning at Turkey’s main intelligence headquarters in Ankara, which was later secured by government forces, and a Turkish official said the intelligence chief, Hakan Fidan, had been taken to a secure location.

In a news conference on Saturday, Turkey's top military officer, Gen. Umit Dundar, the acting head of the general staff, said that "the coup attempt was rejected by the chain of command immediately."

"The people have taken to the streets and voiced their support for democracy," he said, adding that "the nation will never forget this betrayal."

As Turkey began waking up after a long and in many ways surreal evening, it appeared that the elected government had re-established control.

But many questions remained unanswered, including who exactly was behind the plot and what the longer-term fallout would be to the political system of Turkey, a NATO ally and important partner to the United States in the fight against the Islamic State, also known as ISIS.

The Turkish authorities on Saturday at least temporarily halted American-led strike missions against the Islamic State that were flying from Incirlik Air Base, the first major impact of the coup on the broader allied campaign against the terrorist group.

"At this time, Turkish authorities are not permitting aircraft to depart Incirlik," an American military official said on Saturday morning.

The American official said the United States was seeking an explanation for the decision and other details.

The move may reflect a desire by Turkey to control its airspace for a time on Saturday, as opposed to any shift on its policy toward the Islamic State.

Much of the violence overnight related to the coup attempt was in Ankara, where different branches of the security forces fought one another over control of government buildings, including the Parliament building, where several explosions were reported.

The state-run Anadolu Agency reported that 1,563 soldiers had been arrested. Television footage showed some soldiers, naked from the waist up, being put on a bus in Istanbul.

Early Saturday morning, soldiers surrendered on a bridge that traverses the Bosporus, one of two bridges that the military shut down as the coup attempt began Friday evening. Footage showed abandoned military clothing and helmets along the bridge. The government also moved on a military school in Istanbul, arresting dozens.

Disciplinary actions extended to the judicial system on Saturday as an oversight body, the High Council of Judges and Prosecutors, announced that 2,745 judges had been dismissed, the Anadolu agency reported.
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan speaks to media in the resort town of Marmaris, Turkey, July 15, 2016.
Kenan Gurbuz | Reuters

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan speaks to media in the resort town of Marmaris, Turkey, July 15, 2016.

Turkey has a long history of military involvement in politics — there have been three coups since 1960 — and as the country became deeply polarized in recent years between supporters of Mr. Erdogan's Islamist government and those loyal to Turkey's secular traditions, many wondered if the military would intervene. Some, quietly, had even hoped it would.

But once the coup came, people in the country, even those bitterly opposed to Mr. Erdogan, seemed to have no desire for a return to military rule. Turks across the political spectrum, including the main opposition parties that represent secular Turks, nationalists and Kurds, opposed the coup. So did many top generals in the armed forces, highlighting that the attempt apparently did have had deep support, even in the military.

Speaking from Luxembourg during a European tour, Secretary of State John Kerry reiterated the United States' support for the Erdogan government. "We stand by the government of Turkey," he said.

Mr. Kerry said it was not surprising that the United States and Turkey's other NATO allies had not been aware of the coup before it occurred.

"If you're planning a coup, you don't exactly advertise it to your partners in NATO," Mr. Kerry said. "It surprised everybody, including the people in Turkey. I must say it does not appear to be a very brilliantly planned or executed event."

Mr. Kerry also said that he would listen to any inquiries Turkey might have about Mr. Gulen.

"We fully anticipate that there will be questions raised about Mr. Gulen," he said.

"And obviously," he continued, "we invite the government of Turkey, as we always do, to present us with any legitimate evidence that withstands scrutiny, and the United States will accept that and look at it and make judgments about it appropriately."

Germany's chancellor, Angela Merkel, and its foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, expressed concern about the developments in Turkey and called on a return to the rule of law, under the country's democratically elected government. Ms. Merkel said political change should take place only through democratic procedures.

"Tanks on the streets and attacks from the air against their own people are against the law," she said.

Tensions between Germany and Turkey have run high in recent months. Mr. Erdogan was angered by a German comedian's crude lampooning of him and by Parliament's adoption last month of a resolution calling the 1915 mass killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks genocide. ... ntrol.html