Roj Bash Kurdistan

pope said, Vatican wants turkey to be a part of EU ....

why do you think , we used to think vatican is against joning a 70 million population islamic country...

is it a change in strategy , or may be it is just an advertisement ?

Because it's better for everyone in Turkey. Including christians.

it is better for Christans of turkey ... but is it better for christians of Europe ?

they have to share their power with 70 million Muslems... their politcial views would have to be changed... may

its the best way to connect with muslim world by turkey...if turkey became member its good for kurds dot forget it..

still eu needs turkey no matter reliogion, nationality they are getting a bigger economic growing countrey..even EU is fading its religious faith away..the christianity wont exist for long there in some countrey..

economic question is the main goal not religious stuff

cazyun wrote:its the best way to connect with muslim world by turkey...if turkey became member its good for kurds dot forget it..

depends on what "good" means to you.

once turkey really IS member of the EU it will be much harder to put pressure on the turkish government. they will tread kurds worse then they are doing now because they have nothing to loose...

Amanc wrote:

cazyun wrote:its the best way to connect with muslim world by turkey...if turkey became member its good for kurds dot forget it..

depends on what "good" means to you.

once turkey really IS member of the EU it will be much harder to put pressure on the turkish government. they will tread kurds worse then they are doing now because they have nothing to loose...

But before being a member of the EU,Turkey have to solve Kurds' problem at least a bit .If Turkey is EU's member i guess i can cry at street "im Kurd" and nobody can say anything.lol And Kurds will have same rights in Turkey like Turks and we could say im Kurd imagine blacks how relax have a good life in EU and the old member of the lands we Kurds will have cool rights and Kurdistan part of Turkey will develop like the western side. And when turkey enter EU,Kurds will same rights like Turks to go to EU and develop themselves and to find yourself again but i dont believe EU will accept Turkey,at least,if they deal for some develops in Turkey,Turkey wont accept entering EU and changing their laws etc to EU standarts.

lovetobewithfriends it sound to easy and pointless..this will never happen as long as eu wont press turkey..i think kurds will get more rights when turkey is a memebr because eu will watch them carefully..and make them to change laws..

but in point you have right both turks and kurds must solve this togehter..
but its hard make it work wiht pkk clasified as terrorist group. bad reputation for kurds including the bombing atacks on turist places.

pointless?ohh maybe i couldnt impress you but it is true EU saves some rights and lots of Kurds are happy about EU some Turkish or Kurdish nationalist Kurds dont want Turkey to enter EU but it is openly good for our rights,because they are sticked on Turks or Kurds win the battle.If EU wants to accept Turkey with great desire maybe you are right but they dont want Turkey in,i guess.Turkey have problem as she have with everybody and some countries EU members,like Greece,Cyprus.And for sure countries like France,Austria dont want Turkey because they have memories with Turks they dont want to remember.If Turkey really want to enter EU,maybe she will earn lots of things but it is clear Turkey will lose lots of things too.I guess this stomachache position is better for Turkey because at least Turkey wont need to lose anything because i know Turkish men will be crazy about that,if Turkey enter,Turks will lose they dont want to lose,if Turkey be bad with EU it will be no good for Turkey.But honestly it is a chance for Turkish men to became real civilised,maybe Turkey has lots of things but they need to be civilised more now.And so with old history,belongs to back before Turks times with Armenia and Greece times and a people like Salahadin maybe EU wont avoid to help us.So 20 million at least assimilated a bit Kurdish Turks can find their identity back again.It is good for Kurds and no bad for EU.And if Kurds are succesful it will reduce Turks' pressure on Cyprus and Greece.I mean Turkey is not simple country and we are not simple topic are you agreed?if Kurds can appreciate EU is a good opportunity for Kurds.This is what i think so i hope you dont think it is pointless still.I believe EU will be more better for Kurds than Turks.About nationality and power they will be better as Kurds and it is just about Kurds' future.


You are talking about Pkk.But however Turks say PKK built by Turkey.What will you say about that and that is true that Turkey can beat PKK just 20 million Kurds what Turkey cant resist.I dont like PKK at least its way but it doesnt matter for me and it is not about being Kurd.Just try to free talking in Kurdish etc.(yes,people speak Kurdish and the prejudices,fights start) ..but it is becoming hard day by day Kurds everyday becoming more hard against Turks because of Turks' guilty but "im right" manners,Turks openly say they want to assimilate Kurds.And Kurds started to be quiet but Kurds are more hard against Turks "lets struggle and lets go to army together" days are changing i guess.It is not only Pkk maybe you lots 30 000 people but Kurds lost lots things and they are hateful to Turks about some topics too.Turks' problem is they always want somethings but dont give anything and they dont want to understand they are raping nations right,Kurds are unable to give an answer now i know but Turks are not right i guess Turkey should start with giving a few rights and PKK will stop the fight i guess


But i shouldnt discuss you about EU because Turkey is NOT a country able to enter EU(Because Turkey is home of racists,modern looking old-fashioned peoples' country,honestly i dont think it is about being Turk).Even Turks know that and they start to cry as we dont want EU and even a Kurdistan up near to middle-east have more chance to enter EU because our people at least open for better future,have tolerance and respect to human rights and but Turkey still have the land problem they took from Greece and they should give back that is true. yes im pointless sorry

you did impress but shuld work on the options kurds have and the defintion of TURK not only turkey do describe a whole people to turkey is wrong its just like to say some gambians are liek that and all africans are like that..

of course some countreys dont like turkey in eu but still big mayor countrey liek germany likes the memership of turkey..how do you expect that kurds get rights if not throw eu? thanks to EU turkey hasnt invaded kurdistan part in iraq..the future of kurds is in eu n usa hands..

crotaia and serbia is not members..they cant interfere.

anyway kurds in turkey would hav more chances to live throw a eu memership of turkey

pkk is getting old and iritating by world a terorist group will always be looked down as terorist just like hamas in palestine..democratic solutions and startegic way would help more then using weapon today..but its not easy in turkey

the eastern part of turkey will be poor because the mayor big industrial and historic citys are in west.so as companies,,.so ofcourse not eveyrwere in turkey you can expect richness

this is big subject and discussion area you need focus on important facts


peace n out

cazyun wrote:you did impress but shuld work on the options kurds have and the defintion of TURK not only turkey do describe a whole people to turkey is wrong its just like to say some gambians are liek that and all africans are like that..

of course some countreys dont like turkey in eu but still big mayor countrey liek germany likes the memership of turkey..how do you expect that kurds get rights if not throw eu? thanks to EU turkey hasnt invaded kurdistan part in iraq..the future of kurds is in eu n usa hands..

crotaia and serbia is not members..they cant interfere.

anyway kurds in turkey would hav more chances to live throw a eu memership of turkey

pkk is getting old and iritating by world a terorist group will always be looked down as terorist just like hamas in palestine..democratic solutions and startegic way would help more then using weapon today..but its not easy in turkey

the eastern part of turkey will be poor because the mayor big industrial and historic citys are in west.so as companies,,.so ofcourse not eveyrwere in turkey you can expect richness

this is big subject and discussion area you need focus on important facts


peace n out

You know Merkel i know she cant wait Turkey anymore.lol.i never understand Germany love of Turks.Germany is christian and the biggest country of EU.Why Germany wants Turkey?They dont want.Italy,Spain,England,etc. want Turkey.They just want Turkey for their plans not for anymore,they dont have turkish love more than kurdish love .

I WONT discuss Kurdistan's potential,there is everything in Kurdistan,land for farming anything for stockbreeding,mines,oil.If there is Kerkük a few kms below of course there is oil in northern Kurdistan and mines.If you say that it is true.Kurdistan is not a star on the sky about arrival and for a trade point and dont have a sea shore,so it is so lucky about trading Like İzmir,İstanbul;Adana i hope you got what i mean but still unlucky places for trade in Turkey are better than Kurdistan because of Turks' Kurdish love.But trade problem cant break Kurdistan's big potential.Just Kurdistan really will need help for infrastructure,I wont say anymore about Kurdistan will be poor or rich.

cazyun wrote: pkk is getting old and iritating by world a terorist group will always be looked down as terorist just like hamas in palestine..democratic solutions and startegic way would help more then using weapon today..but its not easy in turkey


this is big subject and discussion area you need focus on important facts


peace n out

Kurds are never against democratic solution but being poor site of Turkey and pushing to be Turk is not a fair solution,right .Turks just say Kurds,"we are powerful,you cant break us,we can do anything we want in your land you can have a country in north pole or south pole if you want but there is nothing outside of Turk in this land(I just translate in the best kindly way,i can).Turks are threating Kurds that is all.Kurds allways open for a fair "outside of gun" solution,the fight is not easy and Kurds are not rough as Turks want to show. .And of course,Kurds dont want to fight their "region and religion"mates.But even Pkk said we can never put our guns down because Turks wont give anything better to us and Turks are more than Kurds and nobody have right to block anybody's personal rights but still Turkey wants Kurds to take first step,i wonder what Turks will do if Kurds stop their move as my idea Turkey will clear out Kurds' passions on their nation by the chance as Turkey did for every good chance and they accuse Kurds,i dont care that much of course.Maybe by the time,there will be a blank for democratic solution and Kurds will accept that,you will see.But everyday the chance is getting less if this struggle continue at this level maybe some day Kurds wont accept democratic solution.For example,Cyprus didnt accept unity,why? i can answer because Turkey was too late to suggest solution.Hope everyone can solve their problem democratically.

the kurdish people is all over turkey...in fact the majortiy of kurds lives in the western part of turkey...even turks are effected in east by the poor inviroment.

yes democracy is limited in turkey but its getting changed with time...
a democratic solution shuld still be o nthe table i think to limit casulties..

+ both turks and kurds are tired on this conflict i tihnk in future they will give kurds their fully rights or follows the old controlling line with force.. since other parts kurdistan like in northirag are getting more power they getting worried so it doestn look good right now

peace

cazyun wrote:the kurdish people is all over turkey...in fact the majortiy of kurds lives in the western part of turkey...even turks are effected in east by the poor inviroment.

yes democracy is limited in turkey but its getting changed with time...
a democratic solution shuld still be o nthe table i think to limit casulties..

+ both turks and kurds are tired on this conflict i think in future they will give kurds their fully rights or follows the old controlling line with force.. since other parts kurdistan like in northirag are getting more power they getting worried so it doestn look good right now

peace

If they really think a solution on table,i guess a Southern Kurdistan getting more power,is not a worring thing but if they press and swallow it then it is really a bigger problem for them .It is not hard that dealing with Kurds it is clear what they want respect for their country and nation,they just want places they land too,maybe there is problems should discuss long on that.But Kurds on power are not horrible thing for anybody.Kurds did limited bad things,yes but they did when they are right(at least much more right than the other,i want to add nobody is right when they do bad things too but it is what is going on) and when nobody give them a solution on table chance.So there is no need to be worry about Kurds on rising power if we talk about peace,i love peace.

There is a latin saying: si vic pacem para bellum.
Which means, if you want peace you should be ready for a fight.

Likewise, Turkey would not be able to integrate kurds into the Turkish mainstream society only with guns (unless the apply the American way) but it is for sure that guns would be a part of the "solution".

I WONT discuss Kurdistan's potential,there is everything in Kurdistan,land for farming anything for stockbreeding,mines,oil.

It is good If you wont discuss, because you have no idea about meaning of economy.

Sorry, with such great population growth rate, you cannot do anything.

And oil? land for farming? hmmm where are they? It is not only war at eastern Turkey, that destroyed economy of kurdish cities.

Infact If there is not immigration to turkish cities(and Turkey), your northern kurdistan would become much more worse than now.