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ANKARA (http://www.dailystar.com) - Turkey's government and military have agreed on detailed plans for a cross-border operation against Kurdish rebels based in northern Iraq, the foreign minister said Friday.

Abdullah Gul urged the United States and Iraq, which oppose a Turkish military move into Iraq, to crack down on rebels of the Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK. But he said Turkey was ready to stage an offensive if necessary.

"We have decided how to act, everything is clear," Gul told private NTV television. "We know what to do and when to do it," he said without providing details.

The government has come under pressure from the opposition to launch a military incursion as the country gears up for parliamentary polls on July 22.

Nevertheless, the cabinet of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan received a boost Thursday after the Constitutional Court backed government plans to hold a referendum on constitutional reforms that would allow voters instead of Parliament to elect future presidents.

Turkey has long complained of U.S. inaction against the rebels. Last week, Turkey's military chief asked the government to set political guidelines for an incursion into northern Iraq. Asked whether the government would discuss a possible cross-border offensive during a Cabinet meeting next week, Gul said: "Everything can happen in one day."

On Tuesday, the U.S. military warned Turkey against destabilizing northern Iraq.

The U.S. armed forces have a "great relationship with the military of Turkey," said Brigadier General Perry Wiggins, deputy director for operations of the Pentagon's Joint Chiefs of Staff. But he cautioned: "As the secretary of defense (Robert Gates) has said, any disruption up in northern Iraq would not be helpful at this time."

On June 18, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice assured Ankara that the U.S. and Iraq were against any "terrorist" actions conducted from Iraqi territory against Turkey. Turkey plans to move against Iraq Kurds, says Gul Agencies Published: June 29, 2007, 12:12

Ankara: Turkey is preparing plans for a cross-border operation against Kurdish rebels in Iraq, Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul was quoted as saying on Friday.

Washington has urged Turkey not to enter Iraq, saying it would destablise the region. Iraq has also warned Turkey against making an incursion.

However, Ankara has repeatedly threatened to send troops into Iraq to hunt down militants from the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) who use the region as base from which to attack Turkey. -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------

"The military plans have been worked out in the finest detail. The government knows these plans and agrees with them," Gul told the Radikal newspaper in an interview. "If neither the Iraqi government nor the US occupying forces can



[crush the PKK], we will take our own decision and implement it," Gul said.

More than 30,000 people have been killed in fighting between Turkish security forces and the PKK.


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As soon as the U.S. pulls out of Iraq, Turkey is going to invade and when it does Greece and Armenia are going to counter-attack. Azerbaijan will declare war against Armenia. Iran will invade Iraq to take Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. U.A.E, Oman, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Sunni Iraq, Yemen, Bahrain, Qatar, and Kuwait declare war against Iran. Azerbaijan and Iran join forces. Hamas does its part in creating chaos in Egypt and in Israel (plus its occupied territories) for Iran. Lebanon is also put into chaos. The United Kingdom enters the war to stop Hamas, but fails and falls into recess. France and Italy join the war against Turkey. Iran, Azerbaijan, Hamas, Turkey, and Syria join forces. Russia also joins forces with Iran, but by supplying them with weapons rather than actually joining the war.

This probably just creates a regional war, but it will be dissolved. Hopefully the Assyrians find a means to avoid being caught in the mess.

The end result is that someone else will intervene and resolve the whole issue, creating a terms of peace for all countries. A few years later the anti-christ comes into power over the United States and effortlessly takes control over the world. In reality there are seven anti-christs and the American one is just one member of this legion of doom. Seven years after the American anti-christ assumes power, the extraterrestrials intervene with slaying the anti-christ and enslaving the human race (but in a good way, ironically).

Darkseid wrote:As soon as the U.S. pulls out of Iraq, Turkey is going to invade and when it does Greece and Armenia are going to counter-attack.

How long you think for U.S. pull out? I'm sure PKK will do more attacks so we may not be that patient.

Barış wrote:

Darkseid wrote:As soon as the U.S. pulls out of Iraq, Turkey is going to invade and when it does Greece and Armenia are going to counter-attack.

How long you think for U.S. pull out? I'm sure PKK will do more attacks so we may not be that patient.

Well Greece and Armenia have been pacient enough to wait until your people were able to show any sign of vulnerability, so I would say it wouldn't take that long.

Bush is likely to become impeached within this year. After he is impeached (along with his Cheney), Pelosi is going to call off the surge and call back the troops. Once that happens, Turkey is going to invade. Your people are not going to risk a conflict with the U.S. I don't think your people are that foolish.

Darkseid wrote:As soon as the U.S. pulls out of Iraq, Turkey is going to invade and when it does Greece and Armenia are going to counter-attack. Azerbaijan will declare war against Armenia. Iran will invade Iraq to take Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. U.A.E, Oman, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Sunni Iraq, Yemen, Bahrain, Qatar, and Kuwait declare war against Iran. Azerbaijan and Iran join forces. Hamas does its part in creating chaos in Egypt and in Israel (plus its occupied territories) for Iran. Lebanon is also put into chaos. The United Kingdom enters the war to stop Hamas, but fails and falls into recess. France and Italy join the war against Turkey. Iran, Azerbaijan, Hamas, Turkey, and Syria join forces. Russia also joins forces with Iran, but by supplying them with weapons rather than actually joining the war.

This probably just creates a regional war, but it will be dissolved. Hopefully the Assyrians find a means to avoid being caught in the mess.

The end result is that someone else will intervene and resolve the whole issue, creating a terms of peace for all countries. A few years later the anti-christ comes into power over the United States and effortlessly takes control over the world. In reality there are seven anti-christs and the American one is just one member of this legion of doom. Seven years after the American anti-christ assumes power, the extraterrestrials intervene with slaying the anti-christ and enslaving the human race (but in a good way, ironically).

Dark - do you believe that? Truly?

The US won't EVER pull out of Iraq - and if it DID pull out of "Iraq" it would NEVER pull out of Southern Kurdistan - you know why? Because the US just built an embassy in Baghdad which will cost them 1 billion per year when it's opened... Moreover, they put 1000 American lives on the table - of their best soldiers... Furthermore the US has regional interests: Iran, Syria etc...

It will definetly never leave the region...

They paid their money in cash, and now they want something back... They didn't just come to over throw Saddam Hussein, but to create and rule a new region... And that region is gonna be a federal Iraq... With all it's oil and gass reserves...

So don't make the mistake of thinking that the US will leave... Because that ain't happening...

Darkseid wrote:

Barış wrote:

Darkseid wrote:As soon as the U.S. pulls out of Iraq, Turkey is going to invade and when it does Greece and Armenia are going to counter-attack.

How long you think for U.S. pull out? I'm sure PKK will do more attacks so we may not be that patient.

Well Greece and Armenia have been pacient enough to wait until your people were able to show any sign of vulnerability, so I would say it wouldn't take that long.

Bush is likely to become impeached within this year. After he is impeached (along with his Cheney), Pelosi is going to call off the surge and call back the troops. Once that happens, Turkey is going to invade. Your people are not going to risk a conflict with the U.S. I don't think your people are that foolish.

This isn't gonna happen, because of the reasons I mentioned in my previous post...

@Bariş

The US won't just leave oil worth billions of dollars per year in the hands of the locals... They are gonna make sure that this oil is sold to the US at a CHEAP price...

USA wont care that If She take oil from iraq, Seller are kurdish, arabic or kurdish.

Also USA can leave iraq because of Internal politics. If This death roll continue, USA will absolutely leave from iraq.. Maybe She wont totally leave but She cannot stop Turkey to enter too.

I should also add, It is funny to claim greece or armenia will attack Turkey because of ıraq..

If there is any Turkish troop and Turkish people give food to armenian soldiers, Still ROA cannot enter ankara..

zurderer wrote:USA wont care that If She take oil from iraq, Seller are kurdish, arabic or kurdish.

Also USA can leave iraq because of Internal politics. If This death roll continue, USA will absolutely leave from iraq.. Maybe She wont totally leave but She cannot stop Turkey to enter too.

I should also add, It is funny to claim greece or armenia will attack Turkey because of ıraq..

If there is any Turkish troop and Turkish people give food to armenian soldiers, Still ROA cannot enter ankara..

The US will buy it's oil from those who HAVE oil... The Kurds in the north and the Shiite in the South...

The Shiites are not as cooperative and in need of US presence as the Kurds are - so the Kurds will do anything to keep them there... Among other things, the Kurds are now as we speak, building the worlds largest military airbase - with a 5 KM long runway... That's 1 KM longer than the current largest in the world...

Also - the Israelis are using South Kurdistan as a base to spy on Iran - as is the US... (Perhaps you read the news of US spies of the Iranian border?)

Kurdistan is the most strategical place for the US - and they have not had any casualties there since the start of the war...

Darksied,Are you serious about prediction of all this war? It don't make sense to me.
I not know your belief above about extraterrestrials so I google search it. You believe Ancient Astronaut Theory?

Diri wrote:

Darkseid wrote:As soon as the U.S. pulls out of Iraq, Turkey is going to invade and when it does Greece and Armenia are going to counter-attack. Azerbaijan will declare war against Armenia. Iran will invade Iraq to take Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. U.A.E, Oman, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Sunni Iraq, Yemen, Bahrain, Qatar, and Kuwait declare war against Iran. Azerbaijan and Iran join forces. Hamas does its part in creating chaos in Egypt and in Israel (plus its occupied territories) for Iran. Lebanon is also put into chaos. The United Kingdom enters the war to stop Hamas, but fails and falls into recess. France and Italy join the war against Turkey. Iran, Azerbaijan, Hamas, Turkey, and Syria join forces. Russia also joins forces with Iran, but by supplying them with weapons rather than actually joining the war.

This probably just creates a regional war, but it will be dissolved. Hopefully the Assyrians find a means to avoid being caught in the mess.

The end result is that someone else will intervene and resolve the whole issue, creating a terms of peace for all countries. A few years later the anti-christ comes into power over the United States and effortlessly takes control over the world. In reality there are seven anti-christs and the American one is just one member of this legion of doom. Seven years after the American anti-christ assumes power, the extraterrestrials intervene with slaying the anti-christ and enslaving the human race (but in a good way, ironically).

Dark - do you believe that? Truly?

Laughing so valguely, I can argue is an act of bigotry. Well it is to me in what I know about from behavior, so stop it.

The US won't EVER pull out of Iraq

You can't say that. You aren't an American.

- and if it DID pull out of "Iraq" it would NEVER pull out of Southern Kurdistan

Actually it will.

- you know why? Because the US just built an embassy in Baghdad which will cost them 1 billion per year when it's opened...

U.S. will close down the embassy. Especially if they decide to leave and give Turkey an agreement of allowing them to invade.

Moreover, they put 1000 American lives on the table - of their best soldiers... Furthermore the US has regional interests: Iran, Syria etc...

It will pull aside its regional interests as the people have grown tired of Bush's lies.

It will definetly never leave the region...

Sure it won't.

They paid their money in cash, and now they want something back...

That is not how America works. America (by the Republican Party) insures its dominance by either gaining the good terms of diplomacy from as many countries as possible (normally to gain more resources) or it blames everything it can't achieve on its opposition (the democratic party). The Democratic Party works most highly on domestic problems. Since there are so many of them in the United States, the Democratic Party (once assuming power in the white house) will have no other choice by to withdraw from the Middle East giving its position to Turkey, Britain, or the U.N.

They didn't just come to over throw Saddam Hussein, but to create and rule a new region...

The only reason why we are over there is because Cheney is an oil tycoon.

And that region is gonna be a federal Iraq... With all it's oil and gass reserves...

No it is going to become a war zone with the deaths of millions of people from all countries.

So don't make the mistake of thinking that the US will leave... Because that ain't happening...

You aren't an American. WHat do you know?

You don't live in America.
You don't study politics of America in America.
You probably don't know much more than what your news agency gives to you about America. (although you may have some friends or family that live in the United States.
You don't have any history in the United States, therefore you don't have any family members that could rightfully tell you exactly how the United States is. I have had a long history of relatives serving in the armed forces that had served in the Vietnam Crisis. My father was a naval officer. My uncle was a leutenant in the armed forces. My grandfather (who has passed away recently) was an American Spy during WWII.

Don't tell me what I don't know about my own country.

This isn't gonna happen, because of the reasons I mentioned in my previous post...

But all your reasons do not take into the consideration of America's political infrastructure. So it is all bogus.

America had left Vietnam, well knowing that it may risk losing the entire Southeast of Asia and the world to Communism. What makes you think they'll not do the same for Iraq? America can always make ethanol if it grows ever so hungry for fuel.

Barış wrote:Darksied,Are you serious about prediction of all this war? It don't make sense to me.
I not know your belief above about extraterrestrials so I google search it. You believe Ancient Astronaut Theory?

I don't wish to talk to you, because I'm quite certain that anything I say would be used as ridicule by you.

But incase you wanted to know so badly, my ideas are not entirely as you may perceive them. I don't think life began on Earth as a result of extraterrestrials. I believe humans in their uniqueness are a result of a fusion of two different entities in what may be seen in religious terms made in the image of the divine for which may just be a more advanced society like how Cortez of Spain was worshipped as a god by the Aztecs.

This is more than likely true since the first religions made by man were founded off of the practices of polytheism in which supported the foundation of a numerous collection of dieties who dwell in the sky (Egyptian Mythology).

zurderer wrote:USA wont care that If She take oil from iraq, Seller are kurdish, arabic or kurdish.

Also USA can leave iraq because of Internal politics. If This death roll continue, USA will absolutely leave from iraq.. Maybe She wont totally leave but She cannot stop Turkey to enter too.

Actually the United States can hinder the progress of Turkey entering Iraq. It can completely obliterate Turkey if it should enter Iraq. Do you honestly think your pathetic little backwards estate can truly fight toe to toe against the most powerful country this planet has ever seen? Look at how quickily the United States took out Iraq. They could very well do the same to you. Laugh as you might, never sheer course from reality dear friend.

But you are right about one thing. America is not one single entity. It is fifty entities tied together in a federation bounded by the control formed through two factions. Only one of these factions wants to stay in Iraq, but the other wants to take care of more urgent matters involving the United States internally such as jobs, healthcare, education, boarder security, and more of such issues.

I should also add, It is funny to claim greece or armenia will attack Turkey because of ıraq..

Greece and Armenia both hate Turkey. So it isn't really so much of a joke as a potential reality.

If there is any Turkish troop and Turkish people give food to armenian soldiers, Still ROA cannot enter ankara..

Do you honestly believe that Armenian would abide by such terms if they should decide to go to war against Turkey? And of course Greece is going to go to war. Greece would do anything to capture Istanbul and Northern Cypress from Turkish control.

Why don't you give each of us a separate reply? Why put it all in one long and messy post?

And I find it very amusing that you dissicate my post into bits and pieces to reply to each and every line of it...

I only read the parts where you had quoted me, Darkseid, so here is my reply:

You're taking this personally, which is definetly not good... You're making this a dick-measuring contest - which I am not gonna do, because I don't take this personally at all...

I don't care how many generations your family has been in America or who your fathers or grandfathers were... That is irrelevant - because I am replying to your words...

We live in 2007 - and as somebody based in Norway, I use the internet quite frequently... And nothing happens in the US without it being documented on the net - through news agencies or bloggers or forums or independent journalists or whatever...

The point of the matter, Darkseid, is that this is MY oppinion, and you can disagree with it if you like - which is up to you and your own ideas... But you can't tell me to not reply with a laugh when I read something funny...

I don't believe the US will withdraw from Iraq fully or totally at any point ever...

Greece will NEVER militarily attack Turkey - both are in the NATO, in case you forgot...

Armenian will NEVER militarily attack Turkey - it's far too weak to do that, and would also have to fight the NATO if it were to do so...


So your "potential realities" are very distant from the real reality...

I can say the same about you double posting, instead of using the edit feature, Diri. It is very much un-moderatory of you.

Diri wrote:Greece will NEVER militarily attack Turkey - both are in the NATO, in case you forgot...

A military alliance serves no bounds of halting to disposition of hatrid between both countries. The most likely event is a split or a suddenly push from Europe to berid of Turkey as a part of NATO. You forget that the E.U. is a much more permanent alliance than NATO, which became practically non-existent after the Cold War.

You also forget that almost every country except for Albania absolutely hates Turkey. Britain hates Turkey. France hates Turkey. Italy hates Turkey. Spain hates Turkey. Portugal hates Turkey. Even Bulgaria and Ireland hates Turkey. Moldova and Romania also hate Turkey. Belgium hates Turkey by default from France. The Netherlands hate Turkey. Germany hates Turkey. Cyprus hates Turkey. Malta hates Turkey. Austria hates Turkey. Hungary hates Turkey. Poland hates Turkey. Belorus even hates Turkey. Russia hates Turkey. Serbia hates Turkey and Albania. Macedonia hates Turkey. Croatia hates Turkey. Slovenia hates Turkey. Slovakia hates Turkey. Estonia hates Turkey. Lithuania hates Turkey. Latvia hates Turkey.

Almost every European country hates Turkey, because its very existence dispermits Europe from existing as a seperate entity from Asia. The same can be said about Russia, but Russia is by far superior in military terms. Going to war with Russia would serve in no one's interest and wouldn't result in any victory for anyone except for maybe Russia. Going to war with Turkey at least holds some merit and is by far more possible to achieve.

Also the war and possible entire annihilation of Turkey by all European forces may result in this democratic unity of peace that you praise for, but will only exist in Europe. They might all resolve their differences in simply just going to war against Turkey, because they all almost equally dispise it's existence as a foreign threat to their own existence as being a seperate continent.

Armenian will NEVER militarily attack Turkey - it's far too weak to do that, and would also have to fight the NATO if it were to do so...

No. I think Europe will take no part in assisting Turkey and would rather disconnect Turkey from NATO. Or in fact NATO it self would just dissolve and the E.U. would take over all agreements from such a military alliance. It is already an economic alliance ever so growwing more strongly. NATO is now only exists in name only. What do you honestly think was going to happen? Most NATO members want nothing to do with the United States nor Turkey and would gladly cut off for just that very reason.

So your "potential realities" are very distant from the real reality...

You know what? I thought you were my friend, but I guess I was wrong. If you can't establish peace with someone who "was" once your friend or had considered you to be their friend, then how do you expect the world to come to peace in the very way that you desire? I'm not the one who is in closed doors from the truth, my former friend. You are.

is It realy too difficult to understand that International politics have no relation with hate or love.

Greece will not attack Turkey because She hate Turkey.

What type of political analys is this.

zurderer wrote:is It realy too difficult to understand that International politics have no relation with hate or love.

Actually they do in a democratic country. If the people will it so, then so shall it be.

Greece will not attack Turkey because She hate Turkey.

What type of political analys is this.

it is not as much she hates turkey, it is the matter of which Greece is like a lioness hiding in the Grass watching for any weakness in her prey.

But it really has a lot to do with with Constantinople/Istanbul of why they would want to invade.

You need to study WWI and know more about Europe's war trends.

If France was so bold as to go to war against Germany, because she hates her, then wouldn't the same be said about Greece?

The reason why France went to war besides the alliance with Russia, is because France hates Germany so much as to create an alliance with Russia simply to protect and possibly to invade Germany in the future in attaining land such as Alcase and Lorraine, which were under German control during that time.

The relations between Kurdistan and Turkey is amazingly similar to that of Serbia and Austro-Hungary. This is way too much like a repeat of the same episode, except with different players.