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Turkey protests to Greece over "Kurdistan map"

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:06 pm
Author: Diri
News Diplomacy


Turkey protests to Greece over ‘Kurdistan map’
The Foreign Ministry has protested to neighboring Greece after a map showing Turkey's Southeast as part of a hypothetical Kurdish state was displayed at a seminar organized by the Greek General Staff, officials said.

Greek Ambassador in Ankara George Yennimatas was summoned to the Foreign Ministry, where Turkish diplomats expressed Ankara's concerns over the incident, ministry officials said. Further initiatives will be taken this week in Athens. Turkish Ambassador Tahsin Burcuğlu will convey Turkish unease to Greek authorities.
The seminar took place July 3-7 in Athens and was hosted by the Greek General Staff. A participant, identified as Professor Mazis, displayed a map of Turkey and the Middle East, showing Turkey's southeast as part of a "Free Kurdistan." It also showed Iraq divided into three and Israel in its pre-1967 borders. The same map caused tension in the past when it was shown in a NATO seminar.

Turkey's military attaché in Athens, Col. Atilla Şirin, who was also attending the seminar, walked out of the meeting, saying neither the map nor the presentation of Professor Mazis was based on facts.

Professor Mazis works for the Defense Analysis Institute, an organization supported and financed by the Greek General Staff and the Defense Ministry, private NTV said.

Relations between Turkey and Greece have been traditionally tense but an earthquake-triggered rapprochement since the last decade has helped the two countries begin tackling their problems, mostly relating to situation in Cyprus and territorial disputes in the Aegean.

"We want relations with Turkey to improve and get on track completely," Greek Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis was quoted as saying in a speech over the weekend. "Greece wants its region to be a region of peace and stability and therefore wants good relations with Turkey."





Turkey asks Greece to apologize for 'Kurdistan' map


Monday, July 9, 2007

ANKARA – Turkish Daily news

Turkey made a protest to its neighbor and regional rival Greece Saturday because a map shown during an official seminar organized by the Greek Chief of general Staff, divided Turkey into parts.

The incident occurred late Friday in Athens during a seminar where Turkey's Military Attaché Colonel Atilla Şirin was also present. A civilian participant, professor Mazis, whose first name was not quoted in the press reports, showed a map identifying Turkey's southeastern region as "Kurdistan" during the seminar.

Colonel Şirin immediately protested to professor Mazis and the organizers of the seminar and left the hall, daily Hürriyet reported yesterday.

Yorgo Yenimatas, Greece's Ambassador to Ankara was summoned to the Foreign Ministry Saturday and a protest was made by Haydar Berk, undersecretary of the ministry over the incident. Berk asked Yenimatas that such incidents not be repeated in the future and reminded him of Turkey's eagerness to continue good relations with Greece.

It is learnt that Turkey has also asked Greece for an official apology, underlining that the incident occurred during a seminar held by the Greek Chief of General Staff. Professor Mazis works for The institute of Defense Analysis in Athens, founded by the Greek Defense Ministry.

Source: http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... wsid=77824

Re: Turkey protests to Greece over "Kurdistan map"

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:11 pm
Author: Diri
You see?

There is certainly a lot of Greek support for the Kurdish struggle... And 95% of all Greeks I have spoken with support our statehood...

Re: Turkey protests to Greece over "Kurdistan map"

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:30 pm
Author: zurderer
so what can they do for this except make uping some map.

Re: Turkey protests to Greece over "Kurdistan map"

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:38 pm
Author: Diri
@Zurderer

Even if they didn't make any maps etc. - they're support means something...

Outsiders can see the truths much better than Kurds and Turks in Turkey can...

Re: Turkey protests to Greece over "Kurdistan map"

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:42 pm
Author: zurderer
Yeah after all they are oursiders.

Of course, lets not forget They are also greek too. If they care right of minorities so much, They can care for Turkish minority at Greece.

Re: Turkey protests to Greece over "Kurdistan map"

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:04 pm
Author: Diri
zurderer wrote:Yeah after all they are oursiders.

Of course, lets not forget They are also greek too. If they care right of minorities so much, They can care for Turkish minority at Greece.



Typical thing Turks say... But then I can say: if you care about minorities - then you can care about the Kurdish minority in Turkey...

I win...

Re: Turkey protests to Greece over "Kurdistan map"

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:32 pm
Author: zurderer
Not excatly. When did I say that I want independence for western trakia Turks?

Outsiders can see the truths much better than Kurds and Turks in Turkey can...


It is funny you claim that greeks are goodwilled neutral objective outsiders.

Re: Turkey protests to Greece over "Kurdistan map"

PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:22 pm
Author: Diri
zurderer wrote:Not excatly. When did I say that I want independence for western trakia Turks?

Outsiders can see the truths much better than Kurds and Turks in Turkey can...


It is funny you claim that greeks are goodwilled neutral objective outsiders.



I didn't say they are "goodwilled", "neutral" or "Objective"...

I suggested in my way of writing, that they are more objective than those within the problem circuit...

I know Greece has also a minority issue - but it's FAR from anything like what exists in Turkey... And at a far smaller scale...

So I don't think your comparison is fair - because these are two very different matters... Native Kurds (Turkey) and migrant Turks (Greece)...

Re: Turkey protests to Greece over "Kurdistan map"

PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:34 am
Author: sicpit
Greece > Turkey

This ends this debate, Greece is better :lol:

Re: Turkey protests to Greece over "Kurdistan map"

PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:42 am
Author: zurderer
what a sciencicfic proof you give us. :shock:

I accept you are right. :lol: