Turkish Union - realistic?

[Vladimir]

There is some opposition to an European Union and some Turks are thinking of a Turkish Union. The problem for Turks is that pan-turkism is opposed by China and Russia. They only way they can make this work is by support of this west. What do you think?


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[Diri]

Not likely...

It's hilarious how these who advocate turanism always try to scare Turks into supporting them by showing them "what could happen if they didn't"...

[zurderer]

Talat tried it and failed. Culturaly, Turks are not one race.. It is like slavic or arabic union.

Neither russia or iran will like it.China will come later but I am sure even all Turks are joined, We cannot become success against china..

If Iran(Or russia) is divided, than maybe It can become a little realistic.(With a larger azerbeycan or some caucasian country) Turkey is not a central asian country but a middle eastern country. We need a bridge between central asia and turkey and It is azerbeycan. For now, Our bridge is broken..

Maybe we can work for some cultural and economical improvement, nothing more.

[Diri]

Some Iranians and Pan-Iranists put forward a suggestion: Give North Kurdistan to Iran in exchange for South Azerbaycan...


That is a very interesting idea...

[zurderer]

Weird idea. why do you think, Turkey will give land iran for the sake of azerbeyjan and why do these morons think, Kurds have good relation with persians. (Infact, without kurds, Ottomans would have great problems with holding eastern Turkey.)

At past, Turks and Kurds are fighting against azeris and persian. Of course, This is a little change but I dont think It changed so much.

Most probably, Kurds will prefer Turkey over iran and azeris will prefer iran to Turkey...(I am talking about azeris at iran. Azeris at azerbeycan is a little different and sunni kurds. Shia kurds would choose iran.)

Religion and sect is still effective.

[Diri]

I'm not so sure...


As long as it's "Islamic Republic of Iran", yes you are right... Because right now Iran is under Azeri controll... But the moment there is a revolution or popular uprising - tables will be turned...

Ottoman and Persian Empire times are counted and gone...

[zurderer]

Iran is not under azari control. It is like saying Ottomans were under albanian control.

Ottoman and Persian Empire times are counted and gone...

Both kurds and azeris did not change much at last 100 year.(Do you want to tell me, safi kurds will prefer shia persians?

A secular nationalist kurd may prefer a secular nationalist persian, but hey biggest majority of kurds and persians are religious.

I can give same example from Turks too. A turk may resist his daugher to marry with a kurds but He will resist much more If his daugher marry with a shia or alevi Turk.

[Vladimir]

Or a kafir. Anyway, most Kurds are sunni in Iran. Except for Kermanshah. I think those sunni Kurd want something else then a shia regime.

[Vladimir]

Talat tried it and failed. Culturaly, Turks are not one race.. It is like slavic or arabic union.

Neither russia or iran will like it.China will come later but I am sure even all Turks are joined, We cannot become success against china..

If Iran(Or russia) is divided, than maybe It can become a little realistic.(With a larger azerbeycan or some caucasian country) Turkey is not a central asian country but a middle eastern country. We need a bridge between central asia and turkey and It is azerbeycan. For now, Our bridge is broken..

Maybe we can work for some cultural and economical improvement, nothing more.

But why so many Turks talk about this? (At least in Europe, because they are very nationalistic). And who was "Talat". Is he from Turkey? Some sort of Turkish NASSER?

[Diri]

Talat Pasha... Search him...

[zurderer]

But why so many Turks talk about this? (At least in Europe, because they are very nationalistic).

You already answered your question. They are very nationalist and a nationalist generally use slogans instead of his brain.

And who was "Talat". Is he from Turkey? Some sort of Turkish NASSER?

One of most famous Ittihatist.(Enver, Talat and Cemal.) and these morons also tried to build turan(They attacked russia after russia surrendered at ww1.) We know result.

Enver pasha even died at turkistan when he is fighting against Russia. Root of Turan idea comes from young Turks and Ittihatists.

[Vladimir]

I wonder why I never learned this on university. But some nationalists I spoke to say European union wants to divide Turkey and support Armenians. While it's impossible to divide Turkey because of the gas lines, etc. "The “territorial integrity” of Turkey is guaranteed by the “international system” and “global economy.”" says Cengiz Candar.

[zurderer]

I do not think any country have power to divide Turkey alone.(Even USA.) But She can force Turkey for their own politics. (Like at north iraq.)

EU aim was not to divide Turkey. They want their Turkey like USA is wanting her Turkey.. Main problem with EU is that They dont pay price of their Turkey..

Dont take nationalist rethoric to much serious. They fear from everything. They are fearing from USA, EU, Russia,Greece, Barzani even their own shadow.. They are using fear to close people mind. If you fear from something, You cannot think sensible.

Oh, They even afraid from armenia? Haha. If armenia get two city of Turkey, She will be no more an armenian country but a kurdish-turkish country.

By the way, why should you learn Turkish history at university?

[zurderer]

LOL, Infact I remembered CHP propaganda at Erzurum. They said AKP would give Erzurum to Armenia If They win election.

AKP got 68% vote from Erzurum. It looks like, Erzurum people realy want to join with Armenia.

[Diri]

LOL, Infact I remembered CHP propaganda at Erzurum. They said AKP would give Erzurum to Armenia If They win election.

AKP got 68% vote from Erzurum. It looks like, Erzurum people realy want to join with Armenia.