THIS IS TURKMENISTAN II

[Diri]

[Diri]

Their OWN land looks very nice... WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING IN KURDISTAN???


Probably because of "TURKMEN BASHI" - A devil in person

[Diri]

AND their country is SO big - what do they DO in Kurdistan???

[Vladimir]

I dont know ask them. Probably because Turkmenistan is poor and the Turks want to take over the world!! They are worse then jews.

[Emmunah]

hey!!!

[Diri]

Do you see how conviniently they have managed to draw the map so that "Iraqi Turkmenistan" reaches all the way up to Turkey!

Geee... sounds logical to ME!


Actually I wonder who the hell made such a stupid map... Send those people back to Turkmenistan and let them stay there with their family... How can they claim Kirkuk as "Turkmen" city when logic tells us that Turkemen have NOTHING what so ever to do i with the Middle East

[Emmunah]

They don't. This is the "deal" that Talabani worked out with the Turkomen, and it does not give them any land, it's all about what the Turkomen will help defend along with the Kurds.

[Emmunah]

Kurdish-Turkomen Plan to Grab Kirkuk`s Oil Revenues

From DEBKA-Net-Weekly 195

March 7, 2005, 8:19 PM (GMT+02:00)

Iraq’s newly-elected National Assembly holds its first session in Baghdad in nine days time, to embark on the road to democratic institutins - a new president, deputy presidents, prime minister, government and constitution. However, Iraq’s Kurds and their Turkomen neighbors have been moving forward with plans of their own, as DEBKA-Net-Weekly disclosed in an exclusive report on February 25.

Kurdish leaders Jalal Talabani and Massoud Barzani termed a proposition put before them recently by the heads of the Turkomen community “ extremely interesting and worth pursuing.” The pursuit has gained headlong momentum.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s sources reveal that Saad e-Din al-Kidj, chairman of the Turkmen Supreme Council essentially proposed the introduction of self-rule for the Turkoman homeland of Turkmeneli which abuts and often overlaps the Kurdish region and the oil-rich lands of northern Iraq (See attached DEBKAfile Special Map) and promises it will act as a buffer between Kurdistan and other parts of Iraq.

The Turkomen, predominantly a Muslim Turkic nation, represent Iraq’s third ethnic minority, whose interests and safety are closely protected by Ankara.

The plan for Turkomen autonomy has come up before. In 2002, about a year before the US-led invasion of Iraq, CIA agents and undercover US troops floated the proposal while preparing the military and intelligence infrastructure for the war in the autonomous Kurdish region. The heads of the far larger and more powerful Kurdish community angrily rejected the plan as a political and security threat to their interests.

But much has changed in three years. Suddenly an autonomous Turkoman belt along their southern border looks to the Kurds like an asset to be welcomed - a shield against any Arab military threat from the south and east and a better-than-good insurance policy against Turkish military steps to stop the Kurds’ advance toward independence and domination of the mixed town of Kirkuk. Irbil is already rubbing its hands at the prospect of bilateral economic and military cooperation with Ankara.

So keen are Talabani and Barzani on the Turkomen independence scheme that they have counter-offered the Turkomens a 25% share in the oil revenues of Kirkuk. This offer was made without a by-your-leave from the interim government in Baghdad headed by Iyad Allawi and certainly not from the post-election administration due to rise.

Most Iraqis in high places find the notion of the Kurdish-Turkomen oil grab hard to believe..

But the momentum is hard to stop. Ankara has been informed that the Kurds will pocket 75% of the northern oil revenues and grant the Turkomen 25% to support their self-ruling enclave.

This deal augurs a reshaping of the map of northern Iraq. The Turkomen strip runs transversely from Tel Afar near the Syrian border in the west up to a point south of Kurdish Halabja near the Iranian border to the east. Its population, estimated at between two and three million, centers on the two main towns of Tel Afar and Kuz-Khrumatu.

The oil receipts will finance a new army whose Turkish officers will supply the weapons and training.

This will be the first time in modern history that the Turks will have gained a military foothold in northern Iraq in a region that commands the Sunni Triangle north of Baghdad.

Ankara will have no more need to establish a military presence in northern Iraq. It will have under its command 50-60,000 Turkomen troops, which the Turks and the Kurds are certain will be fully trained and combat-ready much sooner than the Iraqi army the Americans are building further south. This army will be backed by the 100,000-strong Kurdish army.

This signal development should not only dispel Ankara’s fears of a Kurdish independent state but bring forth is firm support.

By the end of this year or early 2006, the central government in Baghdad may therefore find itself staring at an army of 160,000 trained soldiers to the north. This force, not subject to the federal government’s orders, will be the best trained and disciplined of any force in the country.

The Turkomen-Kurdish deal has an important ethnic aspect.

Their coalition in the new national assembly, 102-105 deputies strong, is committed to voting against the new constitution proclaiming Iraq an Arab republic. Sections of the dominant 140-member Shiite United Iraqi Alliance may go along with this position. It is therefore very possible that, for the first time in two centuries, a democratically-elected majority will take a former Arab state out of the Arab bloc.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s sources in Kurdistan report that Kurdish leaders have been showering lavish concessions on the Turkomens to make sure they do not have a change of heart. Areas once hotly contested are now opened up to them – and not entirely out of the kindness of Kurdish hearts; they reckon that if the Turkomen expand into all parts of Kurdistan and are awarded equal rights, they will sink a part of their share of oil profits in Kurdistan and so invest in independent Kurdistan’s development and prosperity.

This week, therefore, Kurdish leaders invited all the Turkomen driven out of Kirkuk (where they used to account for one-third of the population) to return and reclaim their property with Kurdish government’s guarantees for their safety.

In a few short weeks, the seedlings of two independent non-Arab Iraqi states have begun sending out strong shoots.

From Debkafiles online

IT ALL SOUNDS NUTS TO ME!

[Diri]

I don't believe it - I think I read tis once before somewhere - HELL NO! NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!

If this happens - If our "leaders can SELL Kurdistan off just like THIS - I will personally become a part of the insurgency DAMN IT!

HOW CAN THEY EVEN CONSIDER THIS??? - BUT - I don't really believe it!

[Vladimir]

This is just a fantasy. Not reality..
I wished this was true. Only without the Turkish army.

[Diri]

Sure


But I put up a good and crebible play - right?


Not in Heaven and not in Hell will that ever happen - and the funniest part was this:

Its population, estimated at between two and three million

Hahahahahahaha

What are there? Like 100 000 ( AT MOST ) Turkmen? And thay are gonna command over 3 MILLION NON TURKOMAN??? Sounds a bit familiar doesn't it? ( Saddam maybe? )

[kurdistani]

I met one of the leaders of the Turkoman front...
Did not mention anything about that deal..
Hewler Turkomans have good relations with the Kurds..
Kirkuk Turkomans don't....

[Diri]

The problem with Turkmen in Kurdistan, is that they are in Kurdistan and not in Turkmenistan!

Are there any Turkmen here? Sorry - no offence!

[Diri]

Just to make it fair - the problem with Kurds in Turkey is that they are in Turkey and not in Kurdistan!

[Vladimir]

Problems with the Turks is they are in Armenia, Greece and Kurdistan and not in Mongolia.