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PostAuthor: ironfist1923 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:14 am

Release of Turkish Hizbullah members sparks controversy over its future strategy

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ANKARA Hürriyet Daily News

The recent release of leading members of the Turkish Hizbullah, an illegal organization that has left a bloody trail behind in Southeast Anatolia, has prompted speculation regarding the organization’s possible revival.

The organization, unrelated to the Lebanese Hezbollah, is regarded as responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people during the mid-1990s, the worst years of the conflict between the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, and Turkish government forces.

“The current circumstances don’t impel Hizbullah to resort to weapons [again]. But those who were released may play a leading role in the politicization of the organization,” former daily Cumhuriyet columnist Mehmet Faraç, known for his research into Hizbullah, told the Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review in an interview Thursday.

While some commentators argue that, contrary to its violent actions in the past, Hizbullah will politicize its activities in the upcoming period, others – including government officials – have raised concerns the group may return to the violence it is accused of having practiced in the past.

Some claim Hizbullah will "redefine itself" and enter a new era following the releases, but others say the possibility that the group returns to violence is now stronger than ever before, given that it has grown into a "mass movement of militants" through traffic on its websites and charity activities of some foundations that are accused of being front organizations for Hizbullah.

“The Turkish Hizbullah may even push to obtain seats in the forthcoming elections from independent candidates and may run in provinces such as Batman, Diyarbakır, Van and Mardin,” Faraç said.

While pro-Kurdish circles claim Hizbullah was a weapon against the Kurdish political movement, the wider public knew of the organization after mass graves that held dozens of hogtied bodies were discovered in the year 2000.

The public relived those days of horror when five Hizbullah members, two of which were allegedly leaders of the organization, were freed last week, as their cases, waiting to be discussed at the high court, did not come to a conclusion in 10 years' time.

Hizbullah came to prominence in the late 1980s in southeastern Turkey. Some experts say its aim is to destroy the secular order and spread “true Islam” throughout the country, by force if necessary. However, strong claims have surfaced that it was the state itself that established the organization to fight the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, through illegal means, such as summary executions.

Other experts dismiss such claims, but acknowledge that the Turkish state has long failed to appropriately investigate the group.

Indeed, many of those killed in the Southeast during the 1990s, usually with meat cleavers or a bullet in the neck, were known to be active pro-Kurdish politicians or journalists.

Many members of groups that preceded today's Peace and Democracy Party, or BDP, are believed to have been killed by Hizbullah, though hundreds of such murders still remain unsolved.

Dispute with the PKK

The state "did not create the Turkish Hizbullah but did use it against the PKK," according to Faraç.

Sedat Laçiner, president of Ankara-based think tank USAK, however, said such claims are the product of an "urban legend" that has no evidence to support it.

Most experts agreed that the groups are ideologically different, with Hizbullah espousing fundamentalist Islamist views while the PKK is based on a separatist Marxist revival; a distinction many believe led to the conflict between the two groups in the 1990s.

For Laçiner, Hizbullah gained support by voicing a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam in the conservative southeast, a region that was prone to terrorist attacks from the PKK and that suffered from the state’s failure to adequately protect its residents.

Hizbullah grew stronger in the 1990s when it is said to have started killing PKK members and supporters. The state’s real tension and conflict with Hizbullah emerged in the mid-1990s when the organization grew excessively and expanded its target base from PKK members to moderate Islamists and other opponents.

In the late 1990s Hizbullah reportedly widened its area of operations from the east to the big cities in the west – including Istanbul.

The organization’s collapse began when Turkish security forces killed one of the group’s leaders, Hüseyin Velioğlu, during an operation in Istanbul in January 2000. Subsequent operations led to the discovery of dozens of mass graves containing the bodies of victims who had been kidnapped, tortured and buried alive.

Velioğlu’s death led the group to target Turkish security forces in 2001, a principal motivation behind government crackdowns on the organization in the following years.

The organization is also charged with the murders of 188 people, including Islamist feminist writer Konca Kuriş and Diyarbakır Police Chief Gaffar Okkan, who commanded huge respect in the city.

For Faraç, over time the organization went through some critical self-reflection and tried to restore its image, with 2003 seeing the establishment of various foundations and associations. “The organization has come to the conclusion that the process of politicization will be better for its future interests,” Faraç said.

Demilitarization process

Following operations by the Turkish security forces in the early 2000s, the organization laid down its arms and demilitarized, according to Laçiner. “But, this demilitarization process does not mean the group has given up on terror. Rather, it implies the group is structuring itself underground, with a strategy to protect itself from the Turkish state and restore its strength,” Laçiner said. “It is a strategy to come back in a stronger, massive way. The group still has an aim to come back with violent actions.”

The recent prison releases may imbue in the organization a degree of excitement, but the released prisoners’ contribution to the organization is likely to be only symbolic, as they will remain under the observation of security forces. It is likely the whole structure of the organization was re-oriented while those who have been released were in detention, he said.

“The organization is now stronger as it is growing into a mass movement. There is unemployment and a gap in the Southeast that either the PKK or Hizbullah can fill. The PKK doesn’t satisfy the soul while Hizbullah promises a more spiritual world to those living in the region, a crucial factor in it’s being a potentially massive movement,” Laçiner said.

In a column in daily Vatan last week, Ruşen Çakır said the releases had added morale to the organization, which has become stronger compared to 10 years ago.

Entering the third phase

The organization entered its second phase when it laid down arms and displayed its "civic sensibilities" by maintaining social and cultural activities, such as coordinating websites, running publishing houses and establishing foundations, associations and local newspapers following Velioğlu’s death, according to Çakır.

The recent prison releases represent the “third Hizbullah phase,” according to Çakır. The releases, which have coincided with the organization’s efforts to redefine itself, are likely to change the balance within the group and inflect the organization’s future strategy and tactics, he said.

Daily Radikal's Ankara representative Murat Yetkin, who spoke to a senior government official, said Friday the official was concerned that the group could return to its violent ways.

Former Interior Minister Saadettin Tantan, who ran operations against the organization 10 years ago, was quoted as saying the released prisoners could escape to Iran or revive the organization’s activities from underground.

The releases added morale to the organization and could trigger a battle between the PKK, Hizbullah and Fethullah Gülen, the founder and leader of the Islamist Gülen Movement, for the support of many locals in Turkey’s east southeast regions, according to Tantan.


http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=release-of-turkish-hizbullah-members-sparks-controversy-over-its-future-strategy-2011-01-09
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Re: AKP releases Kurdish Hizbullah from prison

PostAuthor: kurd-sthanam » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:44 am

hizbullah was a dirty plan by the state, and they will use it again. they have also got the palestinian movement dirty with these dirty organisations. like israel created hamas. but this will not work for kurds, like it did not work before.
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Re: AKP releases Kurdish Hizbullah from prison

PostAuthor: ironfist1923 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:49 am

“The current circumstances don’t impel Hizbullah to resort to weapons [again]. But those who were released may play a leading role in the politicization of the organization,” former daily Cumhuriyet columnist Mehmet Faraç, known for his research into Hizbullah

“The Turkish Hizbullah may even push to obtain seats in the forthcoming elections from independent candidates and may run in provinces such as Batman, Diyarbakır, Van and Mardin,” Faraç said.
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Re: AKP releases Kurdish Hizbullah from prison

PostAuthor: kurd-sthanam » Tue Jan 11, 2011 12:01 pm

ironfist1923 wrote:
“The current circumstances don’t impel Hizbullah to resort to weapons [again]. But those who were released may play a leading role in the politicization of the organization,” former daily Cumhuriyet columnist Mehmet Faraç, known for his research into Hizbullah

“The Turkish Hizbullah may even push to obtain seats in the forthcoming elections from independent candidates and may run in provinces such as Batman, Diyarbakır, Van and Mardin,” Faraç said.



The 2011 General elections will be a turning point for the Turkish Republic and all the people living within its borders, including the Kurds.
Are we going to be run by an islamo-fascist coalition, namely AKP-Hizbullah? The AKP will need every possible seat in parliament to be able to form a majority government again, because this time they are facing a more solid opposition!
How would the PKK-Kurds react to this (AKP-Hizbullah government)?
How would the TSK react?


TSK react to this? was it not TSK's JITEM and MIT who created these against PKK? are the most feodalistic, religios kurds not those who are state supported(and millitary supported)?

how is your position for TSK?
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Re: AKP releases Kurdish Hizbullah from prison

PostAuthor: Kurdperist » Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:44 pm

Why you call it kurdish Hizbullah ?? This organisation was a part of the turkish Contra- Guerilla, and they fought together with JITEM, MIT, Korucis, Jandarmas, ÖZEL TIM against the kurdish population in "Turkey". So call them next time turkish Hizbullah...

How would the PKK-Kurds react to this (AKP-Hizbullah government)?


I am not a "PKK- Kurd" but it is clear that the turkish Hizbullah was founded by the Milli Güvenlik Kurulu (which are nothing more than secular Kemalists...)
If the Islamo- nationalists (AKP) use the turkish Hizbullah it wouldn't surprise me, because they were founded for turkish interests, and the AKP also represent turkish nationalism.

By the way, I don't think that the "kurdish" members within the Hizbullah are religious. According to the Quran it is forbidden to betray the own nation !! So if these Koruci or Hizbullah bastards were muslims, they wouldn't kill their countrymen...
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Re: AKP releases Kurdish Hizbullah from prison

PostAuthor: ironfist1923 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:41 pm

Why you call it kurdish Hizbullah ??


Because it is Kurdish! Hizbullah’s official name is "Hizbullahî Kurdî", meaning the "Kurdish Party of God". The founders, including Velioğlu, were all ethnic Kurds from the south east.


TSK react to this? was it not TSK's JITEM and MIT who created these against PKK? are the most feodalistic, religios kurds not those who are state supported(and millitary supported)?

how is your position for TSK?



I don’t think the officials who created/sponsored the Hizbullah hoped for it to enter the Turkish parliament one day. That wasn't the intention. Hizbullah, for me, is our Frankenstein; created to destroy our enemies (PKK) but ultimately went out of control and turned against us, against the secular order and regime. IMO they are a far greater risk for Turkey than the PKK. The PKK wants to separate the SE of Turkey, while on the other hand, the Hizbullah wants the whole of Turkey by destroying the Kemalist regime in order to establish a Sharia-style Kurdish-Turkish federation.

Nationalism, be it Kurdish or Turkish, is despised by many Islamists. In their minds, you first have to be Muslim above your national identity.
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Re: Kurdish Hizbullah released from prison

PostAuthor: Kurdperist » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:54 pm

Because it is Kurdish! Hizbullah’s official name is "Hizbullahî Kurdî", meaning the "Kurdish Party of God". The founders, including Velioğlu, were all ethnic Kurds from the south east.


I think you did not get my point. It is not important that these people were ethnic Kurds. Ziya Gökalp was also an ethnic Kurd, so what ?? Do you know how many ethnic Kurds founded the "Ittihat ve Terraki" organization ? As I said, the Turkish Hizbullah was founded for Turkish interests, so it does not matter, if within this organization were Kurds, Turks,etc.

That wasn't the intention. Hizbullah, for me, is our Frankenstein; created to destroy our enemies (PKK)


Excuse me, with enemies you mean the whole Kurdish population in Northern Kurdistan...yes you destroyed your enemies, I would say that you Turks were professional in destroying other nations.
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Re: Kurdish Hizbullah released from prison

PostAuthor: kurd-sthanam » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:15 pm

your people are all the same ironfist, AKP=TSK=YARGI=MHP=CHP, you will going to lose. i dont say we will win with our guerilla forces, but we will win and we are winnig since 30 years. you giv up more and more, bi sözünüz bi sözünüzü tutmuyor, first you will hang A.Ö and you say no speak with bebek katili we are vatansever, and than you speak him. soon there will be civilwar of you by islamist fascists VS secular fascists...
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Re: Kurdish Hizbullah released from prison

PostAuthor: ironfist1923 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:42 am

kurd-sthanam wrote:your people are all the same ironfist, AKP=TSK=YARGI=MHP=CHP, you will going to lose. i dont say we will win with our guerilla forces, but we will win and we are winnig since 30 years. you giv up more and more, bi sözünüz bi sözünüzü tutmuyor, first you will hang A.Ö and you say no speak with bebek katili we are vatansever, and than you speak him. soon there will be civilwar of you by islamist fascists VS secular fascists...



I tell you what will happen next, pkk-boy;
To start with, we, the Kemalists, will put these yobaz dogs before Istiklal Mahkemeleri (Supreme Courts) and hang them just like we did in 20s and 30s. Once these parasites are dealt with, we will turn our attention to east. Then your people will see what we are capable of.. I pity your people when that day comes, seriously.

Every virus has a cure of its own in these lands..... the greek virus was cured, the armenian virus was cured, the assiyrian virus was cured... so shall the kurdish virus.

Be patient my friend, be patient!
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Re: Kurdish Hizbullah released from prison

PostAuthor: ironfist1923 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:45 am

yes you destroyed your enemies, I would say that you Turks were professional in destroying other nations.



We sure are 8)
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Re: Kurdish Hizbullah released from prison

PostAuthor: talsor » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:33 am

If Hizbullah is actually Kurdish and they are fighting the turkish facist regime then they have my full support .
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Re: Kurdish Hizbullah released from prison

PostAuthor: Kurdperist » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:26 pm

@Turk

We sure are


Are you proud to be like wild animals ?? Hate just produce more hate, never forget that...

To start with, we, the Kemalists, will put these yobaz dogs before Istiklal Mahkemeleri (Supreme Courts) and hang them just like we did in 20s and 30s. Once these parasites are dealt with, we will turn our attention to east.


This will be a nice fight, dogs against wolves :lol: I think these dogs will kick your ass...the Islamo- fascists are the majority in Turkey, just take a look on the previous elections...
And I think it is very funny to discredit the Islamists in that way, because these 10 % Kemalists within the Turkish society, are nothing more than bastards...a mixture of Bosniaks, Albanians, Circassians, Laz, etc. who were bothering Anatolia with their inferiority complex since the beginning of the 20th century...

Then your people will see what we are capable of.. I pity your people when that day comes, seriously.

Every virus has a cure of its own in these lands..... the greek virus was cured, the armenian virus was cured, the assiyrian virus was cured... so shall the kurdish virus.

Be patient my friend, be patient!


At the beginning you were trying to perform like a democratic Turk...but it did not take a long time till you showed your true face. What should we reply on this childish bullshit ?
The descendants of the Nazi- Germans feel guilty until today...and the descendants of the Ottomans were proud of killing innocent children and women. Believe me, just people who are mentally sick can support a genocide. This Turkish culture of blood and destruction will be hold accountable...

By the way, the Turks were trying to fight this virus for thousand years, but the Kurds survive and we will survive forever ! If I were you, I would take look at the demographic situation in the future...in 40 years the proportion between Turks and Kurds within "Turkey" will be 50:50 or Kurds will be the majority :lol:
Therefore the Turkish government tried to bound the Kurdish birth rate - they tried :lol:

Grow up kiddie...
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Re: Kurdish Hizbullah released from prison

PostAuthor: talsor » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:27 pm

ironfist1923 wrote:I tell you what will happen next, pkk-boy;
To start with, we, the Kemalists, will put these yobaz dogs before Istiklal Mahkemeleri (Supreme Courts) and hang them just like we did in 20s and 30s. Once these parasites are dealt with, we will turn our attention to east. Then your people will see what we are capable of.. I pity your people when that day comes, seriously.

Every virus has a cure of its own in these lands..... the greek virus was cured, the armenian virus was cured, the assiyrian virus was cured... so shall the kurdish virus.

Be patient my friend, be patient!


Hot air baloon :lol: . Last time I checked you could not even reach PKK's Zab Base :lol:
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Re: Kurdish Hizbullah released from prison

PostAuthor: ironfist1923 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:52 pm

This Turkish culture of blood and destruction will be hold accountable...


We will never be accountable. You know why? because we are strong that's why. As Thucydides once said:

"The strong do what he can and the weak suffer what he must."


By the way, the Turks were trying to fight this virus for thousand years, but the Kurds survive and we will survive forever !


We never warred with your people until recently. The Kurds throughout our dealings with them were merely a tool for us. We took taxes from you, we took your lands from you when we needed money, we took your men from you when we needed for our wars elsewhere. Hell what! we even used your people to cleanse eastern Anatolia from the armenian and assyrian virus, remember? Even Ataturk used you for his war against the west.

We were truly fortunate to meet you in fact :)
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Re: Kurdish Hizbullah released from prison

PostAuthor: Kurdperist » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:24 pm

We will never be accountable. You know why? because we are strong that's why. As Thucydides once said:

"The strong do what he can and the weak suffer what he must."


Arthur Schnitzler once said something about pride:
"What appears to us as megalomania, is not always a mental illness. Often enough it is only the mask of a man desperately in itself".

This Turkish megalomania is pathetic, do you think that you will be "strong" forever ??
You should study your history...

We never warred with your people until recently. The Kurds throughout our dealings with them were merely a tool for us. We took taxes from you, we took your lands from you when we needed money, we took your men from you when we needed for our wars elsewhere. Hell what! we even used your people to cleanse eastern Anatolia from the armenian and assyrian virus, remember? Even Ataturk used you for his war against the west.


So what ?? Times are changing...
Do you remember, when Turks ruled over many nations...what happened to your glory empire ? :lol:
Did not you become an ordinary developing country, which was and is depending on other countries' interests like a faithful dog (or should I say wolf) ??!
Times are changing...never forget that...what happened to the Roman empire ? Where are the Mongolians ? The Assyrians ? The Greek ? The Arabs ? And where are the Turks nowadays ?

You are proud of what ?

Are you proud of your Super- Kemalists like Deniz Baykal :lol:
Or are you proud of your high inflation rate ?
Are you proud of your unemployment rate ?

No ?

Oh, I forget you are proud of your army.

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Do you remember this winter, as the PKK showed how strong the Turkish army is ?

:lol:
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