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[jjmuneer]

maybe we can give up Mandali ad that's it , hat wold we get in return though ? iraq opes its border ? i hope so but i doubt it.

How can you say we give up mandali? Hey I know lets just give up Kirkuk, lets give up everything why don't we? Its either we get all or nothing. F*ck Iraq and their government, they are all talk and no action. I know this because I have lived with the Arabs, its like the Persians. Turks yeh sure they send in a whole army against the PKK, but they still can't destroy them after 30 years.

[alan131210]

Dear burnsss

We shed a lot of blood , halabja and Andal for autonomy so why won't we shed some more for indepdence ?? Like our president said "this time Kurdish blood will be shed for independence".

[Kurdistano]

Those are great points my dear kurdistano and i agree with your descreption. When we are part of Iraq the chauvinist will use this pretexts to undermine us with their nonsense talk of "one Iraq" and fake "unity". If it were up to me i would have declared independence in 2003. We were sadly weak at the time and pressured from all directions to stay within Iraq with promises that were never realised. Now we are in a much stronger position with oil companies and alot of consulates and trained peshmerga. With these fact in mind we should declare independence soon, but you have to admit that alot of blood might be shed in the process if chauvinist like Maliki are in power with his latest moves in mind.

Believe me if we wait longer much more blood will be shed because Malikis army is getting stronger with our oil.

[burnsss]

maybe we can give up Mandali ad that's it , hat wold we get in return though ? iraq opes its border ? i hope so but i doubt it.

How can you say we give up mandali? Hey I know lets just give up Kirkuk, lets give up everything why don't we? Its either we get all or nothing. F*ck Iraq and their government, they are all talk and no action. I know this because I have lived with the Arabs, its like the Persians. Turks yeh sure they send in a whole army against the PKK, but they still can't destroy them after 30 years.

We should not give away an inch of kurdish land. If the chauvinist insert a blockade against kurdistan they will regret it. We will blow up the kirkuk pipeline that transport 400 000 barrels a day. If they try create problem, so can we. And the Americans will not be happy with that and higher oil prices.

[Kurdistano]

maybe we can give up Mandali ad that's it , hat wold we get in return though ? iraq opes its border ? i hope so but i doubt it.

How can you say we give up mandali? Hey I know lets just give up Kirkuk, lets give up everything why don't we? Its either we get all or nothing. F*ck Iraq and their government, they are all talk and no action. I know this because I have lived with the Arabs, its like the Persians. Turks yeh sure they send in a whole army against the PKK, but they still can't destroy them after 30 years.

Sorry keka Jkmuneer but in this point I am with Alan. Just for one reason you cant compare the two districts. Kirkuk is already in our hands but for Mandali, if not through dialog (what i doubt to happen) we would have to move into Mandali and this would maybe provoke a war.
I am not saying give up Mandali. what I am simple saying is we should not risk everything we already have for a region which is unfortunately not under our control.

[jjmuneer]

Those are great points my dear kurdistano and i agree with your descreption. When we are part of Iraq the chauvinist will use this pretexts to undermine us with their nonsense talk of "one Iraq" and fake "unity". If it were up to me i would have declared independence in 2003. We were sadly weak at the time and pressured from all directions to stay within Iraq with promises that were never realised. Now we are in a much stronger position with oil companies and alot of consulates and trained peshmerga. With these fact in mind we should declare independence soon, but you have to admit that alot of blood might be shed in the process if chauvinist like Maliki are in power with his latest moves in mind.

Believe me if we wait longer much more blood will be shed because Malikis army is getting stronger with our oil.

Do you think the Iraq will have support of the international community? I know what your going to say, that doesn't really count for anything, but with the support or atleast "backup" of the major powers we'd still be in a better position. The problem is the shias of Iraq and Iran being closely linked, though Iran is in no position to even think about "interferring" in internal matters of Iraq and KRG

[Kurdistano]

Those are great points my dear kurdistano and i agree with your descreption. When we are part of Iraq the chauvinist will use this pretexts to undermine us with their nonsense talk of "one Iraq" and fake "unity". If it were up to me i would have declared independence in 2003. We were sadly weak at the time and pressured from all directions to stay within Iraq with promises that were never realised. Now we are in a much stronger position with oil companies and alot of consulates and trained peshmerga. With these fact in mind we should declare independence soon, but you have to admit that alot of blood might be shed in the process if chauvinist like Maliki are in power with his latest moves in mind.

Believe me if we wait longer much more blood will be shed because Malikis army is getting stronger with our oil.

Do you think the Iraq will have support of the international community? I know what your going to say, that doesn't really count for anything, but with the support or atleast "backup" of the major powers we'd still be in a better position. The problem is the shias of Iraq and Iran being closely linked, though Iran is in no position to even think about "interferring" in internal matters of Iraq and KRG

Of course we have much more support from international community than the iraq but do you believe any country would send their army to help us when war breaks out?

[jjmuneer]

maybe we can give up Mandali ad that's it , hat wold we get in return though ? iraq opes its border ? i hope so but i doubt it.

How can you say we give up mandali? Hey I know lets just give up Kirkuk, lets give up everything why don't we? Its either we get all or nothing. F*ck Iraq and their government, they are all talk and no action. I know this because I have lived with the Arabs, its like the Persians. Turks yeh sure they send in a whole army against the PKK, but they still can't destroy them after 30 years.

Sorry keka Jkmuneer but in this point I am with Alan. Just for one reason you cant compare the two districts. Kirkuk is already in our hands but for Mandali, if not through dialog (what i doubt to happen) we would have to move into Mandali and this would maybe provoke a war.
I am not saying give up Mandali. what I am simple saying is we should not risk everything we already have for a region which is unfortunately not under our control.

I have family there though. See this is what I don't understand do you really think Halabja was the only atrocity that has happened to Kurds? The Kurd Faylis have also had atrocities committed to them, trust me the KRG can press ahead and use that as an argument. Do you really think Maliki will try and defend Mandali? Historically it has been Kurdish, and even if the KRG won't get it it will remain that way. Although I see where your coming from and eh thatwould probably be too much.

[jjmuneer]

Not in this day and age Kurdistano, but it will probably be like Iran and Iraq war, just supplying of weapons.

[Cewlik]

How can you say we give up mandali? Hey I know lets just give up Kirkuk, lets give up everything why don't we? Its either we get all or nothing. F*ck Iraq and their government, they are all talk and no action. I know this because I have lived with the Arabs, its like the Persians. Turks yeh sure they send in a whole army against the PKK, but they still can't destroy them after 30 years.

Absolutely correct. If we give up Mandali, Arabs will see that as a victory and their next target will be Kirkuk and the other parts of Kurdistan.

[alan131210]

See this is what I don't understand do you really think Halabja was the only atrocity that has happened to Kurds? The Kurd Faylis have also had atrocities committed to them..

i know what happened to Feylis , they were deported to iran for been called persians .
there are other gas attacks and other smaller atrocities in Kurdistan done by saddamis , but the main two are halabja and anfal , lets not turn this into something else .

[alan131210]

Absolutely correct. If we give up Mandali, Arabs will see that as a victory and their next target will be Kirkuk and the other parts of Kurdistan.

wrong , we already control Kirkuk and our peshmerga is there , in Mandali we do not control it and neither do we have peshmerga , so do you want to go to war with iraq over a small town ? if it was up to me i would have taken it in 2003 but krg's weak stance is what caused this unfairness . they should have told everyone to go stuff themselves .

like i said we have no choice over mandali unless a sunni shia war breaks out that is prob our only chance to retake this town .

[jjmuneer]

See this is what I don't understand do you really think Halabja was the only atrocity that has happened to Kurds? The Kurd Faylis have also had atrocities committed to them..

i know what happened to Feylis , they were deported to iran for been called persians .
there are other gas attacks and other smaller atrocities in Kurdistan done by saddamis , but the main two are halabja and anfal , lets not turn this into something else .

Huh? What do you mean turn this into something else? Did you know about the thousands of Faylis that went messing in the southern iraqi desert? If you want to take the piss, go somewhere else. This isn't about which Kurd has died the most, we've all suffered.

[jjmuneer]

Absolutely correct. If we give up Mandali, Arabs will see that as a victory and their next target will be Kirkuk and the other parts of Kurdistan.

wrong , we already control Kirkuk and our peshmerga is there , in Mandali we do not control it and neither do we have peshmerga , so do you want to go to war with iraq over a small town ? if it was up to me i would have taken it in 2003 but krg's weak stance is what caused this unfairness . they should have told everyone to go stuff themselves .

like i said we have no choice over mandali unless a sunni shia war breaks out that is prob our only chance to retake this town .

Are there not Kurds there?

[alan131210]

Are there not Kurds there?

not many no , they have all left to baghdad , if you want it back 1st go make yourselves majority then ask for peshmerga . its hardly any feylis living their and you want peshmerga to fight over what exactly ? yes kurds and arabs know the identity of the city , but the arabs want to take towns and cities that are currently under kurdish control let alone the ones under their control given back to us ? like i said KRG wong go to war over Mandali , its not even continuous with KRG , its isolated by arab land in between .

and i say it again , Feylis suffered a lot too as a Kurd been deported and killed but from what i hear it was mainly deportations , there are gas attacks on villages that resulted in 100s dead , killing young kurds in day light in front of their families etc , but Halabja and Anfal are the biggest so will be used mainly .