HZKurdi wrote:So how come this terrorist supporting phony backstabbing country, Turkey allowed to support a terrorist group and the America hariold rodesstill supports them and even sends them weapons to help them kill our innocent people? The public needs to learn about this.Government-al-Nusra links exposed
ANF - News Desk 27.09.2013 10:44:55
Kurdistan Center for Strategic Studies, Lekolin, has published a document which allegedly reveal the Turkish government's links with al-Qaeda affiliated al-Nusra Front fighting Kurds in Rojava, West Kurdistan.
The document, a circular letter Interior Minister Muammer Güler sent to the governor of Hatay, is alleged to have been sent to the governors of Mardin, Urfa and Antep as well. It has been published by daily Özgür Gündem today.
The circular letter dated 15 March 2013 is themed “provision of the necessary support to al-Nusra mujahids Turkey backs against the PYD (Democratic Union Party) in line with its regional interests, and their settlement in public social facilities”.
The letter put emphasis on the importance of “providing the required support for al-Nusra mujahids Turkey brings from various countries under the control of the National Intelligence Service (MIT) and has them fight against the separatist organization PKK's wing PYD, ensuring their safety and abiding by the confidentiality of the matter ”.
The Minister's circular letter called attention to Hatay province's strategic importance for enabling the al-Nusra militants' crossing into Syria, and instructed that the delivery of the logistic support to the armed groups, their training and the treatment of their casualties should mainly be arranged in the Hatay province, in line with the coordinated support by MIT and the governor's office in Hatay.
The Minister's letter also underlined that al-Nusra militants sent to Hatay should settle in institutions affiliated to guesthouse of Directorate of Religious Affairs and public guest houses determined by the MIT.
HZKurdi wrote:New clashes in Tal Abyad
ANF - Serêkaniyê 30.09.2013 09:28:51
Clashes broke out between People's Defense Units (YPG) and ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Levant) near the Susik village of Tal Abyad (Girê Spî) province bordering Turkey last night.
Five ISIS members were killed in clashes with YPG fighters who also burnt a vehicle of the groups down and damaged one other.
YPG fighters had liberated the Susik village on 15 September when 81 gang members were killed and some 40 others were wounded and rushed to Turkish hospitals.
The Turkish army had also dispatched weapons to the village in support of the al-Qaeda affiliated armed groups.
Anthea wrote:HZKurdi wrote:New clashes in Tal Abyad
ANF - Serêkaniyê 30.09.2013 09:28:51
Cashes broke out between People's Defense Units (YPG) and ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Levant) near the Susik village of Tal Abyad (Girê Spî) province bordering Turkey last night.
Five ISIS members were killed in clashes with YPG fighters who also burnt a vehicle of the groups down and damaged one other.
YPG fighters had liberated the Susik village on 15 September when 81 gang members were killed and some 40 others were wounded and rushed to Turkish hospitals.
The Turkish army had also dispatched weapons to the village in support of the al-Qaeda affiliated armed groups.
The Turkish army had also dispatched weapons to the village in support of the al-Qaeda affiliated armed groups.
It seems to me that Turkey is determined to destroy Kurds - I never had any faith in the so-called peace plan in Turkey - Kurds should see the Turkish regime for what it is - people such as Piling and myself have a far greater all round knowledge of what is happening than many Kurds whose knowledge is more localised - and we are not gullible - we do not believe in all the propaganda that is being spread
There is a saying such as "To win a war on the ground you have to first win the propaganda war" something such as that
PYD Leader Skeptical of Kurdish Agreement With Syrian Opposition
By Wladimir van Wilgenburg 30/9/2013
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“They asked me why you don’t join. We are fighting on the ground. There are many armed groups attacking us in our Kurdish cities, can you stop them? They said ‘no.’ So why should I deal with you?"
ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – Salih Muslim, head of the Democratic Union Party (PYD) which is the biggest Kurdish party in Syria, was quoted as saying that his group does not support the Kurdish National Council (KNC) joining the Syrian National Coalition (NC).
“I think it’s going to divide the Kurdish people, because there was a decision by the Supreme Kurdish Council not to deal with any side of the opposition without permission,” he said.
The PYD became the biggest Kurdish party in Syria after gaining control of the main nine Kurdish cities in the country in July last year, after the withdrawal of President Bashar Assad’s forces. Moreover, the PYD and other Kurdish parties plan to form an interim civilian administration and organize an election after six months of forming the transitional government.
Recently, the KNC joined the NC, but this is still opposed by the PYD. The Syrian opposition accepted most Kurdish demands, apart from recognizing a form of Kurdish autonomy in Syria.
According to Muslim it is not a problem that the KNC, the rival of the PYD, joins the Syrian coalition; he prefers Kurds to deal with the opposition in a united bloc. “We like all the Kurds to deal together with the opposition, not to join them, but coordinate with them or to have some kind of agreement,” he said. “Because if you join it, you have lost everything,” he added.
Moreover, he pointed out that the Syrian opposition is not homogenous. “There are different ideas, opinions, and ideologically they are not the same.”
The PYD leader has met with leaders of the Syrian opposition in Turkey and Europe. On August 31, Muslim met with the president of the Syrian coalition Ahmad Jarba in Paris.
“They asked me why you don’t join. We are fighting on the ground. There are many armed groups attacking us in our Kurdish cities, can you stop them? They said ‘no.’ So why should I deal with you? They don’t have control of the Free Syrian Army (FSA),” he said.
On July 17, an agreement between armed anti-Assad fighters, and the Kurdish armed groups broke down and fighting spread to three provinces where Kurds live in Syria. Despite internal disagreements between the FSA and groups linked to al-Qaida, both of them fight against Kurdish fighters affiliated to the PYD.
Muslim said the KNC and the NC can do what they like. “But it’s not suitable for Kurds to join.” He thinks that the Western countries pressured the KNC to join the Syrian opposition.
Some experts had predicted that the agreement between the Turkish-backed opposition and the KNC, backed by Kurdish parties in Iraq, would create problems with the PYD in Syria. The PYD leader disagrees.
“We have no problem with the KNC. The KNC and the People’s Council (of West-Kurdistan) have agreed on this transitional civil administration in Rojava (Syrian Kurdistan) and the Kurdish areas in Syria,” he said. “We are going step-by-step forward, but I think their agreement with the National Coalition is going to collapse, many voices don’t accept the Kurds.”
Nevertheless, the Kurdish Democratic Party in Syria (KDP-S), which is supported by Massoud Barzani, the president of the Kurdistan Region of Iraq, accuses the PYD of kidnapping its members in September in Afrin. The KDP-S accused the PYD of torturing a dozen KDP-S members.
A KDP-S member told the Kurdish NGO Kurdwatch, that “PYD releases 10 people, but that same night dozens more are kidnapped.” But according to media close to the PYD, they were involved in planning attacks against the YPG.
But Muslim says they do not have any problems with the Barzani-backed Kurdish party, only with the Kurdish Freedom Party led by Mustafa Cumma that allegedly controls Kurdish armed groups that cooperate with the FSA against the PYD.
Assad needs to unite with Kurds against Turkey / Lyuba Lulko
Syrian Kurds are in heavy fighting with the rebels of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and the jihadists. The Kurds have long spoken about the need to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad and even fought against government forces. The situation has changed now, much owing to the skillful diplomacy of the Syrian government. For the Kurds, Assad is a lot better than opposition.
At the end of last week, in the course of nearly two days of fighting near the towns of Atma, Jindaris and Hassakeh, the Kurds killed nearly 30 Islamists, including several leaders of jihadists, including Abu Omar al-Chechena (also known as Abu Omar al-Shishani), news agencies said. The Turkish media confirm the information, making references to the "moderate Kurds" from the "National Council of Syrian Kurds" (KNC), the Kurds from the Party of Democratic Union (PYD) as one side of the conflict and "moderate" FSA and Al-Qaeda groups - the already mentioned An- Nusra" and the "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant".
After the leaders of 13 opposition groups rejected the status of the pro-Western government in exile in the face of the National Coalition of the Syrian Opposition and Revolutionary Forces, the prospect to overthrow the Syrian president by internal forces became quite hazy, especially when it became clear that the Kurds were supportive of Assad. Islamists from the FSA and ISIL, seeking to form the Great Caliphate under the patronage of Saudi Arabia, came across the Kurds in Syria, who were preoccupied with ideas about the Great Kurdistan. Turkey is the third party to the conflict - the country dreams of restoring the Great Ottoman Empire. There is a powerful economic base under this political conflict - the oil of Kurdish areas and the control of oil pipelines built from Iran, Iraq and Jordan to Mediterranean ports.
The disparity of forces (Turkey supports Sunnis) pushes the Kurds towards the alliance with al-Assad, who promised them broad autonomy in 2011. "These extremists (from Islamic groups ) are worse than the Assad regime. There is no excuse for their support," Ibrahim Bahzad told Reuters, one of the leaders of the KNC (an alternative to PYD, a wing of the Kurdistan Workers' Party). ''Ankara uses these gangs (Islamists) to fight against us, providing them with guns and ammunition. We can prove it; the Turks have cleared the minefield east of Serekaniye, to ensure their safe passage to the border," Salih Muslim, the leader of the PYD told the Turkish newspaper Taraf.
The Syrian government sees an alliance with the Kurds as a priority. Thus, special envoy of Bashar Assad, Omar Ose, visiting Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan in early September, assured the Kurds that it would be much better for them to be friends with Syria.
"The current Syrian government is much better for the Kurds than the opposition. It is in the interest of the Kurds for Assad to remain in power," the Rudaw newspaper quoted Ose as saying. According to him, Turkey supports terrorist groups, not to give the Kurds a chance for self-determination. "He (Assad) asked to let you (the Kurds) know that we are not against you. We are friends, and we are fighting on one side of the front. If Syria is destroyed, then Iran will come next and after Iran - Kurdistan," the official said with reference to Bashar al-Assad.
He also assured the Kurds that the Syrian government would not impede the movement of Iraqi military forces on the territory of Syria, in the event the head of Iraqi Kurdistan, Massoud Barzani, orders to help the Syrian Kurds. “It just needs to be done in a coordinated way" Rudaw quoted Ose as saying.
Indeed, Assad should unite with the Kurds against Turkey. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is ready to help anyone, who wants to destroy his former friend. Turkish officials have repeatedly stated that they were concerned about the close relationship between the PYD and the Kurdistan Workers' Party ( PKK) that fights for Kurdish autonomy in southeastern Turkey. Ankara claimed that Assad armed the PYD and threatened military intervention. Needless to say that the Syrian President is too far from implementing those threats. However, the propaganda of the PKK that used to be banned in Syria, began to spread throughout the Kurdish region; portraits of PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan, who was the jailed in Turkey in 1999, can be seen everywhere.
The Kurds account for about 10 percent of the 23 million-strong Syria. The USSR used to be one of the main pillars of those fighting for the independent Kurdistan. Moscow also relies on the Kurds as one of the most sensible sides to the conflict. The Kremlin insists on their participation in Geneva-2 conference (the meeting of all stakeholders on Syria with the participation of authorities and of Syrian opposition).
The Kurds, unlike other peoples of Syria, are not in a hurry to leave the country, preferring to defend the right to a decent life with guns in their hand.
The Pravda
News Code: 5578 | Date: 2013/10/03 | Time: 11 : 28
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HZKurdi wrote:Assad needs to unite with Kurds against Turkey / Lyuba Lulko
Syrian Kurds are in heavy fighting with the rebels of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and the jihadists. The Kurds have long spoken about the need to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad and even fought against government forces. The situation has changed now, much owing to the skillful diplomacy of the Syrian government. For the Kurds, Assad is a lot better than opposition.
At the end of last week, in the course of nearly two days of fighting near the towns of Atma, Jindaris and Hassakeh, the Kurds killed nearly 30 Islamists, including several leaders of jihadists, including Abu Omar al-Chechena (also known as Abu Omar al-Shishani), news agencies said. The Turkish media confirm the information, making references to the "moderate Kurds" from the "National Council of Syrian Kurds" (KNC), the Kurds from the Party of Democratic Union (PYD) as one side of the conflict and "moderate" FSA and Al-Qaeda groups - the already mentioned An- Nusra" and the "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant".
After the leaders of 13 opposition groups rejected the status of the pro-Western government in exile in the face of the National Coalition of the Syrian Opposition and Revolutionary Forces, the prospect to overthrow the Syrian president by internal forces became quite hazy, especially when it became clear that the Kurds were supportive of Assad. Islamists from the FSA and ISIL, seeking to form the Great Caliphate under the patronage of Saudi Arabia, came across the Kurds in Syria, who were preoccupied with ideas about the Great Kurdistan. Turkey is the third party to the conflict - the country dreams of restoring the Great Ottoman Empire. There is a powerful economic base under this political conflict - the oil of Kurdish areas and the control of oil pipelines built from Iran, Iraq and Jordan to Mediterranean ports.
The disparity of forces (Turkey supports Sunnis) pushes the Kurds towards the alliance with al-Assad, who promised them broad autonomy in 2011. "These extremists (from Islamic groups ) are worse than the Assad regime. There is no excuse for their support," Ibrahim Bahzad told Reuters, one of the leaders of the KNC (an alternative to PYD, a wing of the Kurdistan Workers' Party). ''Ankara uses these gangs (Islamists) to fight against us, providing them with guns and ammunition. We can prove it; the Turks have cleared the minefield east of Serekaniye, to ensure their safe passage to the border," Salih Muslim, the leader of the PYD told the Turkish newspaper Taraf.
The Syrian government sees an alliance with the Kurds as a priority. Thus, special envoy of Bashar Assad, Omar Ose, visiting Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan in early September, assured the Kurds that it would be much better for them to be friends with Syria.
"The current Syrian government is much better for the Kurds than the opposition. It is in the interest of the Kurds for Assad to remain in power," the Rudaw newspaper quoted Ose as saying. According to him, Turkey supports terrorist groups, not to give the Kurds a chance for self-determination. "He (Assad) asked to let you (the Kurds) know that we are not against you. We are friends, and we are fighting on one side of the front. If Syria is destroyed, then Iran will come next and after Iran - Kurdistan," the official said with reference to Bashar al-Assad.
He also assured the Kurds that the Syrian government would not impede the movement of Iraqi military forces on the territory of Syria, in the event the head of Iraqi Kurdistan, Massoud Barzani, orders to help the Syrian Kurds. “It just needs to be done in a coordinated way" Rudaw quoted Ose as saying.
Indeed, Assad should unite with the Kurds against Turkey. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is ready to help anyone, who wants to destroy his former friend. Turkish officials have repeatedly stated that they were concerned about the close relationship between the PYD and the Kurdistan Workers' Party ( PKK) that fights for Kurdish autonomy in southeastern Turkey. Ankara claimed that Assad armed the PYD and threatened military intervention. Needless to say that the Syrian President is too far from implementing those threats. However, the propaganda of the PKK that used to be banned in Syria, began to spread throughout the Kurdish region; portraits of PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan, who was the jailed in Turkey in 1999, can be seen everywhere.
The Kurds account for about 10 percent of the 23 million-strong Syria. The USSR used to be one of the main pillars of those fighting for the independent Kurdistan. Moscow also relies on the Kurds as one of the most sensible sides to the conflict. The Kremlin insists on their participation in Geneva-2 conference (the meeting of all stakeholders on Syria with the participation of authorities and of Syrian opposition).
The Kurds, unlike other peoples of Syria, are not in a hurry to leave the country, preferring to defend the right to a decent life with guns in their hand.
The Pravda
News Code: 5578 | Date: 2013/10/03 | Time: 11 : 28
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Anthea wrote:HZKurdi wrote:Assad needs to unite with Kurds against Turkey / Lyuba Lulko
Syrian Kurds are in heavy fighting with the rebels of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and the jihadists. The Kurds have long spoken about the need to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad and even fought against government forces. The situation has changed now, much owing to the skillful diplomacy of the Syrian government. For the Kurds, Assad is a lot better than opposition.
At the end of last week, in the course of nearly two days of fighting near the towns of Atma, Jindaris and Hassakeh, the Kurds killed nearly 30 Islamists, including several leaders of jihadists, including Abu Omar al-Chechena (also known as Abu Omar al-Shishani), news agencies said. The Turkish media confirm the information, making references to the "moderate Kurds" from the "National Council of Syrian Kurds" (KNC), the Kurds from the Party of Democratic Union (PYD) as one side of the conflict and "moderate" FSA and Al-Qaeda groups - the already mentioned An- Nusra" and the "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant".
After the leaders of 13 opposition groups rejected the status of the pro-Western government in exile in the face of the National Coalition of the Syrian Opposition and Revolutionary Forces, the prospect to overthrow the Syrian president by internal forces became quite hazy, especially when it became clear that the Kurds were supportive of Assad. Islamists from the FSA and ISIL, seeking to form the Great Caliphate under the patronage of Saudi Arabia, came across the Kurds in Syria, who were preoccupied with ideas about the Great Kurdistan. Turkey is the third party to the conflict - the country dreams of restoring the Great Ottoman Empire. There is a powerful economic base under this political conflict - the oil of Kurdish areas and the control of oil pipelines built from Iran, Iraq and Jordan to Mediterranean ports.
The disparity of forces (Turkey supports Sunnis) pushes the Kurds towards the alliance with al-Assad, who promised them broad autonomy in 2011. "These extremists (from Islamic groups ) are worse than the Assad regime. There is no excuse for their support," Ibrahim Bahzad told Reuters, one of the leaders of the KNC (an alternative to PYD, a wing of the Kurdistan Workers' Party). ''Ankara uses these gangs (Islamists) to fight against us, providing them with guns and ammunition. We can prove it; the Turks have cleared the minefield east of Serekaniye, to ensure their safe passage to the border," Salih Muslim, the leader of the PYD told the Turkish newspaper Taraf.
The Syrian government sees an alliance with the Kurds as a priority. Thus, special envoy of Bashar Assad, Omar Ose, visiting Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan in early September, assured the Kurds that it would be much better for them to be friends with Syria.
"The current Syrian government is much better for the Kurds than the opposition. It is in the interest of the Kurds for Assad to remain in power," the Rudaw newspaper quoted Ose as saying. According to him, Turkey supports terrorist groups, not to give the Kurds a chance for self-determination. "He (Assad) asked to let you (the Kurds) know that we are not against you. We are friends, and we are fighting on one side of the front. If Syria is destroyed, then Iran will come next and after Iran - Kurdistan," the official said with reference to Bashar al-Assad.
He also assured the Kurds that the Syrian government would not impede the movement of Iraqi military forces on the territory of Syria, in the event the head of Iraqi Kurdistan, Massoud Barzani, orders to help the Syrian Kurds. “It just needs to be done in a coordinated way" Rudaw quoted Ose as saying.
Indeed, Assad should unite with the Kurds against Turkey. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is ready to help anyone, who wants to destroy his former friend. Turkish officials have repeatedly stated that they were concerned about the close relationship between the PYD and the Kurdistan Workers' Party ( PKK) that fights for Kurdish autonomy in southeastern Turkey. Ankara claimed that Assad armed the PYD and threatened military intervention. Needless to say that the Syrian President is too far from implementing those threats. However, the propaganda of the PKK that used to be banned in Syria, began to spread throughout the Kurdish region; portraits of PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan, who was the jailed in Turkey in 1999, can be seen everywhere.
The Kurds account for about 10 percent of the 23 million-strong Syria. The USSR used to be one of the main pillars of those fighting for the independent Kurdistan. Moscow also relies on the Kurds as one of the most sensible sides to the conflict. The Kremlin insists on their participation in Geneva-2 conference (the meeting of all stakeholders on Syria with the participation of authorities and of Syrian opposition).
The Kurds, unlike other peoples of Syria, are not in a hurry to leave the country, preferring to defend the right to a decent life with guns in their hand.
The Pravda
News Code: 5578 | Date: 2013/10/03 | Time: 11 : 28
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Food for thought
Syria is in such a mess it is becoming difficult to ascertain exactly who is fighting whom - one thing is certain the Kurds are stuck in the middle with NOBODY to trust
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