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Re: KRG - Sliced off areas (disputed areas)

PostAuthor: RawandKurdistani » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:50 pm

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alan131210 wrote:They are divided. PDK is more with turkey Sunni triangle ride while PUK is with iran Shia one.

They should stay the friggin hell away from the regional turmoil. Who gives a rats ass what they do to each other. But no we have to get on the ride.

Puk did not support PDK in removing milky and now puk is scared shit selling nationalist rhetorics to us, but puk has stuffed up big time, milky is arming fast and we know Iraqis have a thing with gun when they have em they are like "oh let's try it on Kurds and see how good they are for before the Arab world comes for us".


To be honest its fu..ing obvious to me that PUK is fault on all this shit. No one with just a little bit of brain can deny it. PDK has ties with Turkey due economic reasons and because they use Turkey as road to West. BUt what for what the f.. hell is PUK AGAIN like in the past, when they betrayed Qasimlo, is promising from having ties with Iran? Being hated by the West? Or maybe seen as the ally of Dictatorship?

Dr. Qasimlou is the true leader of kurdistan, if puk did betray him people will soon find out. PUK potentially ruined any chance of eastern kurdistan getting independence.


But east Kurdistan will soon get another chance, and propably also the last, so we better use it well!
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PostAuthor: purearch72 » Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:00 pm

Lets hope so I hope Kurds in Iran aren't really showing their emotions for independent kurdistan because
Of this harsh regime most Kurds I see don't even talk about politics. Haha Mahabad is the most Kurdish proud city I'd have to admit, I went there with my family and I had a BB gun to shoot bottle caps and stuff. Many Kurds were screaming "azad ah azad ah", at first I didn't know what they were saying until someone near us said Iranian regime can't do anything here take out your gun.

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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:45 pm

Kurdish Concerns Over Former Baathists in Kirkuk Government Posts

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KIRKUK, Kurdistan Region — The mayor of Kirkuk believes that, if an election was held today, the outcome wouldn’t be good for the Kurds.

Even though a general census has not been held in Kirkuk since 1997, Mayor Kamil Salayi estimates the population to be 1.5 million, with the Kurds making up 55 percent of that number. He added that the Kurdish population is greater in the villages and towns of Kirkuk province.

Iraqi President Jala Talabani previously suggested that each ethnicity -- Kurds, Arabs and Turkmen -- hold 32 percent of the government jobs in Kirkuk, with Christians taking the remaining 4 percent.

According to Salayi, the Arabs and Turkmen are against this approach and demand that government posts to be equally divided instead.

The mayor says that the northern oil field has 11,000 employees. Only 1,000 of them are Kurds and 1,500 are Turkmen. Even now, the company keeps hiring Arabs.

Salayi, who is affiliated with the KDP, criticizes both the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) and the KDP for some of their appointments to government positions. “Some of them are former Baathists,” he said.

KDP and PUK officials in the city didn’t deny this claim.

Muhammad Kamal, the head of KDP’s 3rd branch, told Rudaw, “In the past, some people became Baathist to avoid being expelled from the city.” He added that these people still secretly stayed connected to their parties.

Aso Mamand, the head of PUK headquarters in Kirkuk, told Rudaw, “I cannot exactly pinpoint these people. There may be some people who were government employees or even Baathist during the former regime who now hold government positions. However, there are not many.”

Najmaldin Karim, the governor of Kirkuk, said that it is not acceptable for former Baathists to hold government positions. “Many judgments have been passed about who might be a former Baathist, but they may not be true,” he said.

“I am not authorized to conduct a search to find the former Baathists in government offices,” Karim said. “It’s the duty of the committee of justice and accountability to make a decision about these people.”

According to the law, those who held high positions in the Baath Party such as high-ranking military officers must not be given any government posts.

Mayor Salayi has accused the governor of replacing government posts filled with people affiliated with the KDP with those who support the PUK.

He added that the KDP has not been consulted about these replacements. “The head of the youth and sports department was removed under the pretext of being a former Baathist,” he said.

Karim dismissed the claim, saying, “I didn’t authorize his replacement. The Iraqi Ministry of Youth and Sports directly ordered his replacement.”

According to some in the KDP, the PUK violated an agreement between the two parties that said the KDP would appoint someone to the position of the youth and sport department.

One of the causes of the issues between the Kurdistan Region and the central government is the lack of reliable data about the population of Kirkuk. Saddam Hussein changed the demographics of the city by expelling Kurds and Turkmen and replacing them with Arab families.

The 1957 census indicates that the Kurdish population was 55,000, alongside 30,000 Turkmen, 27,000 Arabs and 15,000 Assyrians.

Currently, the Kurdish faction holds 27 out of 41 seats in the Kirkuk provincial council. According to Salayi, if an election was held now, the Kurdish faction wouldn’t be able to reclaim these seats.

“I don’t think an election should be held in Kirkuk until the demographic changes of the administrative areas of Kirkuk are nullified to before 1957,” the mayor said.

According to Article 140 of the Iraqi constitution, Arab families who were brought to Kirkuk must be compensated and return to their original places. More than 30,000 Arab families fall under this category.

Salayi says that, so far, 11,000 Arab families have been compensated, but only 1,000 of them have returned to their original areas. The rest are still in Kirkuk.

“In addition, 300 families who had already returned to their original places were ordered to return to Kirkuk by the Article 140 committee,” he said, adding that, according to a search conducted by his office, 1,500 Arab families are living in Kirkuk without any legal consensus.

Salayi also said that the governor has not been allowing him to participate in city meetings, and that therefore he is not aware of many things happening in the municipality.

“As the mayor, on one hand my authority is limited,” he said. “On the other hand, the governor has been depriving me of attending the meetings. So I don’t know about the city’s security situation and its infrastructure projects.”

Salayi added that he has asked the governor many times to include him in the meetings, but the governor has ignored his requests.

For his part, the governor said that, when meetings require the mayor’s presence, he is invited.

“I often see him and discuss things with him,” Governor Karim added. “My door is always open to him.”
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Re: KRG - Sliced off areas (disputed areas)

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:52 am

Amar Hakim a Shiite leader: "Kirkuk is Kurdish majority, arabs and turkmen ask unrealistic demands"

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Al-Nujaifi’s proposals for election in Kirkuk are in vain

PostAuthor: alan131210 » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:41 am

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The components of Kirkuk are remaining insistent about their previous notions regarding the Kirkuk Provincial Council elections, while the attempts of the speaker of the Iraqi Council of Representatives and UN envoy to convince them reach a common goal have not yet yielded the desired results.

Martin Copler, the representative of the Secretary General of the United Nations in Iraq, arrived in Kirkuk on October 16 and met with the representatives from each of the components of the province privately. He took all their ideas and opinions regarding the provincial election, which were all the same as they had stated before.

Those meetings were concomitant with the attempts of Usama al-Nujaifi, the speaker of the Iraqi Council of Representatives during his stay in Kirkuk on September 24, in which he stated that he had tried to write down a specific set of laws for the election in the province and addressed the fact that the parties and ethnic groups should avoid conflicts and disputes and try to reach a point of common interest.

He stated that he will focus on the proposals of the Arabs confirmed by the other components while trying to discuss the disputed articles later on in an attempt to reach a conclusion.

Those attempts were to make the components of Kirkuk reach a conclusion, but were expected to prove rather ineffective.

The Kurds are holding to the same concept of demanding elections without any conditions, the Arabs are demanding that the number of Kurdish voters be decreased by 100 thousand votes as they claim “Those voters are already registered to vote in the provinces of Kurdistan region,” while the Turkmen are demanding that the Arab settlers (the Arab families transferred to Kirkuk from the middle and south of Iraq as part of the Ba’ath regime attempt to change the demography of the province) be returned to their original locations and the resettled Kurds not be permitted to participate in the election at all.

The provincial elections have not been conducted in Kirkuk since the last one in 2005 due to conflicts and disputes among the components from which most of the issues still do persist. As al-Nujaifi stated in a press conference during his visit to the city, “We currently are attempting to bring the different opinions regarding Kirkuk together in the Council of the Representatives.”

Khalid Shwani, a member of the ICR on behalf of the Kurdish Coalition Bloc and head of the committee of the legal affairs of the Iraqi Parliament stated that the Kurds do not have any conditions regarding the election and will not accept any conditions saying “If conditions are set upon us, then we will have our conditions as well.”

According to his statement, the Arabs and Turkmen demanded that the elections should be carried out on the same day of the provincial elections in the provinces of Kurdistan, and that “We accepted that only if the Kurdish identity of Kirkuk is recognized throughout the Laws of the Provincial Elections, therefore we couldn’t reach a conclusion yet again.”

Omer Khalaf al-Jburi, a member of the Iraqi Parliament on behalf of the al-Iraqia list and representative of Kirkuk in the parliament said “We do not accept frauds and changes of demography of the province,” pointing to the Kurds accused of doing so.

He added “After 2003, the Kurds have changed the demography of the city in their favour and therefore we demand the elections be based upon the voters’ registration before 2003.”

He revealed that one of their conditions for the election is depriving 100 thousand Kurdish voters from taking part in the election adding “We reject the idea of Kurdish Kirkuk in the laws of the provincial elections.”

Muhammad al-Jburi, a member of the KPC on behalf of the Arabic bloc said they have submitted a request to the Iraqi Parliament demanding the election be based on the census of the year 1977 and not the 1957 census as has been demanded by the Turkmen.

Najat Hussein, a member of the KPC on behalf of the Turkmen Front said “After 1957, the Arab settlers had been settled in Kirkuk until 2003 and the demography of the province had been changed while after 2003, the Kurds repeated the same with this time bringing Kurdish families from Kurdistan, thus the best solution is to depend on the 1957 census.”

While Fuad Hussein, a member of the KPC on behalf of the Brotherhood List rejected all the above opinions and stated that the Kurds do not accept any conditions being imposed upon the election.

Despite all the disputes and the conflicts, all the components of Kirkuk still believe that the best solution to end the political issues in the province is in the election.

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PostAuthor: purearch72 » Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:28 pm

alan131210 wrote:Amar Hakim a Shiite leader: "Kirkuk is Kurdish majority, arabs and turkmen ask unrealistic demands"

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Hakim family has always been supportive of Kurds.

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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:37 am

Kurdistan alliance rejects the legislation of special law for the provincial elections in Kirkuk

Shafaq News / Kurdistan Alliance rejected on Saturday, legislating a special law for the provincial , districts and sub-districts elections in Kirkuk province, demanding to conduct the elections in Kirkuk with the rest of the provinces of the country.

The MP of Kurdistan Alliance bloc, Muhsin al-Sadoun said in an interview for "Shafaq News" that "nothing has changed in Kirkuk situation to demand to have a special condition for the provincial elections in Kirkuk”.

Sadoun, the head of Article 140 Commission added that "the UN and international organizations will supervise the elections in Kirkuk," and wondered "why this fear of Kirkuk and the attempt to deprive its voters from their right of a true representation for them."

The government spokesman , Ali al-Dabbagh said last Tuesday in a statement in which "Shafaq News" received copy of it, that the Council of Ministers decided to determine Saturday , the 20th of April 2013 as the date for conducting the provincial elections that are not linked to a region based on the proposal of the Election Commission.

The parliament speaker, Osama al-Nujaifi had announced at the beginning of last August, the council’s seek to enact the Kirkuk elections law.

Kirkuk has not witness provincial elections since the elections that took place in 2009 due to disagreements among its components, as the provincial council was formed after the fall of the former regime in April 2003 from representatives of the four main nationalities, taking into consideration the status of compliance for regulating the affairs of the province and filling the administrative and legislative void therein.

Kirkuk province, 250 km north of Baghdad of a mixed population of Arabs, Kurds, Turkmen and Christians and Sabians is one of the most disputed areas addressed by Article 140 of the Iraqi constitution.
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Re: KRG - Sliced off areas (disputed areas)

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:23 pm

PLEASE correct me if I am wrong BUT did not Saddam push Kurds out of Kirkuk and give their property, lands and businesses, plus money, to encourage Arabs to move to Kirkuk?

I know that over the years Kurds have managed to get back parts of Kirkuk but to me it seems a little unfair that Arabs have any say in Kirkuk at all :ymsick:

It would be rather like lots of English people pushing the Scottish people out of Edinburgh then having a say in whether Edinburgh belongs to England or not X( X( X( X( X( X( X(

INFO: Edinburgh is the capital of Scotland, the seat of the Scottish parliament and government.
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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:20 am

they dont have much say, Kurds basically run Kirkuk in every aspect but they are paid by Baghdad not Hawlêr, and Kirkuk is to be officially part of KRG but im sure KRG will not wait for ever it will just declare the long awaited state\ with the unofficial"areas that is the only 2 differences.
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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:56 am

interview with Najmaddin Kerim about the so called dijla operation.

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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:51 am

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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:20 am

Salahaddin acting governor: Dijla Operations Command formed to oppose article 140 of Iraqi constitution

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Acting governor of Salahaddin said Saturday that they basically did not believe in the formation of Dijla Operations Command as they think it is to oppose the implementation of the article 140 of Iraqi permanent constitution.

Ameen Aziz Salahaddin acting governor said that the formation of the Dijla Operations Command is meant to oppose Kirkuk and the implementation of article 140 of Iraqi constitution which calls for the restoration of the demography of the disputed territories.

The Kurdish political blocs see the attempt as contradictory to the country’s constitution as those provinces are identified as “disputed territories”. Those parties voiced their support for the decision Kirkuk’s provincial council made in September to oppose any attempt to form Dijla Operations Command.

“We are in the province’s administration and the Kurdish Front in the Provincial Council stand against the Command,” said Aziz, adding that the Command’s authority has been increasingly expanded to the disputed Diyala and Salahaddin provinces as well.

“It is obvious that there is a political motivation behind the formation of the Dijla Operations Command,” he noted.

He called for a unified cooperation from the three provinces to work for the dissolution of the Dijla Command.

Kurdish leadership and the presidency of KRG and parliament should play an active role in cancelling the formation, as they sent Peshmerga forces to Khanaqin in Diyala to respond to the central government’s plots, he added.

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PostAuthor: alan131210 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:22 am

PUK: Dijla operations recruit 3,000 Arab soldiers and urge them to move to Kirkuk

Shafaq News / The official website of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) led by President, Jalal Talabani revealed on Sunday that the leadership of Dijla operations recruited more than 3000 soldiers to its staff, as he emphasized that the volunteered soldiers are from Arab nationalism exclusively and noted that Dijla "urges" those soldiers to move to Kirkuk.

The website quoted a security source as it was briefed by "Shafaq News” that "the Defense ministry seeks to promote and strengthen the capacity of Dijla Operations Command by recruiting more than 3,000 people at the rank of a volunteer soldier"

The source added that "all soldiers are of Arab nationalism and are the inhabitants of Diyala, Salah al-Din and Baghdad provinces as well as areas from Hawija district," noting that "the volunteers were recruited according to the recommendations from members of the parliament from those provinces."

An informed source with squad 12 of the army had said during earlier in a press statement that the leadership “Dijla operations sent 41 military vehicles to Kirkuk province," noting that "35 of these vehicles are loaded with munitions ".

The source added that this "ammunition is artillery shells and mortar shells estimated at 350 tons," adding that "these vehicles had been sent to Kirkuk by an intelligence officer in Dijla operations command."

Dijla Operations Command that was ordered to be formed by Prime Minister, Nuri al-Maliki, the commander in chief of the armed forces has sparked controversy among the blocs and political parties as some rejected it while others welcomed the order, which added new tension to the crisis that already exists between the Kurdish leadership and Kirkuk Provincial Council from one hand and its supporting parties in Baghdad, on the other hand.
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:21 am

alan131210 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MVSLkeD8HQ&feature=youtu.be


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