Who are the Shabak?

[Vladimir]

Who are the Shabak? I heard there is a tiny minority living in Mosul called the Shabak. Do anyone know if they feel themselves Kurdish despite they are Kurds. Sometimes it looks like they identify themselves more as " shabak" then as Kurd.

Is the term " Shabak" a former tribal name?

Let's discuss

[Piling]

Shabak as Alevis or Ahl e Haqq are a religious minority, their beliefs are near of Alevis', so some ppl think that they are related to Qizil Bash who fled in Southern Kurdistan after Chaldiran battle. Their language seemed to be a mix of Turkish/Arabic/Kuridsh.

[heval]

Shabak as Alevis or Ahl e Haqq are a religious minority, their beliefs are near of Alevis', so some ppl think that they are related to Qizil Bash who fled in Southern Kurdistan after Chaldiran battle. Their language seemed to be a mix of Turkish/Arabic/Kuridsh.

I would say that the Shabak Kurds speak Kurdish with a lot Arab influence. I make this statement because their language, or dialect rather, follows the rules of Kurdish and contains a lot of Kurdish but they do mix a lot of Arabic words. They speak a variance of the Gûranî/Hewramî dialect, and to answer kak Vlad's question, I believe their communities are quite divided between their identifying as Kurds or not. While some do, others do not. This may be due to their cultural difference as a result of religious beliefs as well as their dialect, which differs highly from Soranî. I think if their communities were in closer contact with Hewraman, more of them would feel a stronger connection with their Kurdish identity.

[tomjez]

Hewramî

So close to Zazaki?

[Diri]

Hewramî

So close to Zazaki?

Yes... By extention it is...

[heval]

Hewramî

So close to Zazaki?

Yes, Zazakî and Hewramî are both related to the Gûranî branch of Kurdish. And the dialect spoken by the Shabak falls under that branch as well.