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PostAuthor: Kurd » Sat May 20, 2006 11:49 am

Can someone provide me more information on the situation of the Kurds today living under Armenian brutality?

I have heard that Armenia treated the Kurds like shit in the past.
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In the Caucasus, the fledgling Armenian Republic, in the course of 1992-94 wiped out the entire Kurdish community of the former "Red Kurdistan." Having ethnically "cleansed" it, Armenia has effectively annexed Red Kurdistan's territory that forms the land bridge between the Armenian enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia proper.





With the dissolution of the Soviet Union, under which the rights of minorities such as the Kurds were protected, the situation changed dramatically to more closely reflect Armenian sentiments towards the Kurds. Armenia subsequently declared its sovereignty. But with that change the status ot the Kurdish minority has come under increasing threat.


In 1988 when Armenia became involved in the issue of the Karabagh and its independence from Azerbaijan, Azeris under duress left the new state. Thereafter the single remaining obstacle to the creation of a homogenous Armenia was the presence on Armenian soil of about 60,000 Yezidi and Muslim Kurds. In an effort to deal with the problem, Armenian nationalists initially set these two groups of Kurds against each other. Newspapers reported that Yezidi Kurds were not Kurds; but a completely distinct people. This brought loud protests from Kurdish intellectuals, among them S. Kotsyoy, candidate in Law Sciences, who made these statements whic-h appeared in the newspaper, Voice of Kurds: "Whether deliberately or not, actions in Armenia are designed to set Yezidi Kurds against Muslim Kurds. Despite this, Yezidis consider themselves Kurds and one must take that sentiment into account...During the 1989 census, suddenly the Yezidis were discovered, as if they were a people formerly unknown. The word 'Yezidi' was used to qualify the nationality of many Yezidi Kurds, although the government refused to change their passports. This of course causes many international difficulties. Almost all Yezidis and their intelligentsia consider themselves Kurds and reject the artificial division of the nation. I raised the issue of the unfair separation of Yezidis from the Kurdish tree because it is a total absurdity."


Furthermore, Armenian nationalists created the newspaper, Punik as a vehicle for the generation of anti-Kurdish propaganda in the country. Typical of the rhetoric that appears are these claims: "Yezidis think it outrageous to be called Kurds. Kurds themselves see Yezidis and Armenians as impious people and will not accept even a glass of water from their hands." The newspaper also plays up the participation of Muslim Kurds in the Armenian genocide that occurred in Turkey between 1915 and 1918. (It is a fact that some fanatic religious Kurds did participate in the genocide, but it is also true that Kurds hid and actually saved Armenians from the massacres.) Are such claims anything less than incitement to racial hatred?


Punik purports to speak for Yezidi Kurds without their consent. Moreover, the newspaper criticizes Yezidis who consider themselves Kurds. Take this statement for example: "If they believe they are Kurds, that's their problem. We know Yezidis as Yezidis because the classical literature we know makes a clear distinction between Kurds and Yezidis. Furthermore, all our friends among them are Yezidis." Armenian nationalists refuse to acknowledge that the single distinction between Yezidi and Muslim Kurds is one of religious belieœ


The journal Report-Kurdistan disclosed that about 20,000 Muslim Kurds were obliged to leave their homes and flee Armenia. The aim of nationalist Armenians is apparently the forced exile of all Muslim Kurds.


Now it is the Yezidi Kurds under threat. Punik accuses the Yezidi intelligentsia of taking a pro-Azerbaijan position. Take this statement for example: "Once upon a time we had a small group of friends among the intellectuals and semi-intellectuals of Yezidi-Kurdish circles. Since then it has clearly appeared that during all these years the Yezidi aristocracy has joined local parties associatmg with "rokde" elements who openly support Azerbaijan along with anti-Armenian foreign Kurds." Following attacks of this sort it is not surprising that the Kurdish intelligentsia in Armenia feels threatened


Over the past several years since these attacks, about 80% of the Kurdish intelligentsia in Armenia have withdrawn from the public scene. Some Kurdish political and social civil servants have been killedbypaid murderers. But the crimes have not been investigated as politically motivated, they are treated as the work of common criminals.


From: Kurdish Life, Spring 1995
http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/kurdish/htdocs/lib/armen.html


I am a captive in my own counrty also." By a Yezidi author



I am a Kurdish writer. I am from Armenia and I am a Yezidi. I left my country for exile (Germany) to escape the oppression by the Armenian state and the nationalist gangs that were established by the state. I believe that no one in this country knows well the situation of the Yezidis. It seems that people who work for the immigration office do not distinguish Yezidis from the Armenians.


Beatings, verbal abuse and other unpleasantries became the norm. And the Yezidies got their share of this treatment. In the city of Yerevan, a Yezidi Kurd named Alik Hasanyan was arrested and in front of thousands of people was burned alive. He was charged with killing an Armenian girl and a boy. Later on it became evident that he was not the killer. He had absolutely nothing to do with the killings


Another Yezidi from the Artashat region was gunned down in broad daylight for no reason


Despite much cruelty and oppression, Armenia has become a member of a few democratic organizations and is striving to become a member to the Council of the European Union. And the Kurds have no rights there.


The retirees who worked for more than forty years, have lost their pensions. The Armenians are forcing them to leave the country. The Armenians are telling them: "Go to your own homeland!!" Well, one has to ask as to where the Yezidi homeland is? We believe that no one sees the dire situation of the Yezidies. There are two faces of the Armenian state: With one face, it wants to expel the non-Armenian population out of Armenia, with the other face, it wants to claim to the world that "Armenia is a democratic republic and everyone living in it is equal. The Yezidies are free and they have a good time there. Those who escape out of Armenia do so out of economic desperation, not due to oppression."


The rights that the Soviet Union recognized for the Kurds in 1930s are rescinded. We had a newspaper called "Riya Taze" (the new path), research institutes, education in Kurdish language. Today we have none of these.


Everything is under the control of the armed bandits. The Armenian state is waging a very dirty war against Kurdish intellectuals through nationalist organizations like PYUNIK, HINCHAK, HAYASTANI and LIRAGIR. The state sees Kurdish intellectuals as servants, hands and tails of outside agents that are bent to harm Armenia.


Many Kurdish intellectuals were put on trial for saying "Yezidies are Kurds." And the courts would sentence these Kurdish intellectuals. Despite the fact that Kurdish intellectuals defended the brotherhood of both Kurds and Armenians, still these Armenian organizations went against the Kurds. A Yezidi academic, Prof. Dr. Sihide Ibo got killed in the hands of such aggressors and criminals. None of the killers are found and brought to trial. They threw Dr. Dewreshian under a car and ran him over. The body of Hesen Abbasian was dumped at the outskirts of Yerevan a month after. The majority of the intellectuals then left Armenia. This, in summary, is the situation of the Yezidies in Armenia.


From: Denge Ezidiyan (Yezidi publication based in Germany) January 2003

Translated by Burhan Elturan


http://www.kurdistan.org/Current-Updates/yezidi.html

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PostAuthor: Piling » Sat May 20, 2006 3:39 pm

Armenia is a bad country for democracy and human rights in general.
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PostAuthor: Tirigan » Sat May 20, 2006 7:18 pm

I’m Yezidi Kurd born in Georgia and had/have some family members in Armenia. Because almost all of my family members who lived in Armenia, “escaped” this country. Some of them moved to Europe and some of them moved to Russia. Family of my grandmother (her sister) lived there. When I was little, back in the eighties, if my grandmothers went to visit her family in Armenia (always in summer), I always went with her on holiday to Armenia. So I’ve a lot memories of that country.

There’s a lot discrimination of Armenians toward Kurds, especially Muslim Kurds.

Armenians are not so bad as Turks or Arabs. Kurds live in their country after all. But please be a little bit friendly toward us...

If you ask me, best people toward Kurds are Georgians. They’re more friendly people in the region!
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PostAuthor: KCF » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:47 pm

Tirigan wrote:I’m Yezidi Kurd born in Georgia and had/have some family members in Armenia. Because almost all of my family members who lived in Armenia, “escaped” this country. Some of them moved to Europe and some of them moved to Russia. Family of my grandmother (her sister) lived there. When I was little, back in the eighties, if my grandmothers went to visit her family in Armenia (always in summer), I always went with her on holiday to Armenia. So I’ve a lot memories of that country.

There’s a lot discrimination of Armenians toward Kurds, especially Muslim Kurds.

Armenians are not so bad as Turks or Arabs. Kurds live in their country after all. But please be a little bit friendly toward us...

If you ask me, best people toward Kurds are Georgians. They’re more friendly people in the region!

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Re: Armenia ethnically cleansed Kurds,

PostAuthor: Marie K. » Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:33 pm

come on stop ur crap for the ezedi and kurds armenia is scheiwz compare to turkey
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Re: Armenia ethnically cleansed Kurds,

PostAuthor: Marie K. » Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:02 am

i take the switzerland for the example cuz they r well known for being peaceful people
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Re: Armenia ethnically cleansed Kurds,

PostAuthor: Piling » Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:09 am

In that case why si such ppl flee from Armenia ? A lot of them are even working in Turkey.
That is right that there is a huge racism against muslims in Armenia, Georgia and in Russia. Great pressures are exercised on Yezidis for they state that Yezidi is a different nation from Kurdishness. And as Yezidi don't like muslim also, it is a not a great trouble for them, except that they are really fond of their own Kurdish identity, they even consider themselves to be the real and "pure" Kurds, etc... So life is not simple for them.
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Re: Armenia ethnically cleansed Kurds,

PostAuthor: Marie K. » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:47 am

Piling wrote:That is right that there is a huge racism against muslims in Armenia, Georgia and in Russia


we were speaking about yezedi not the kurd or muslim...

In that case why si such ppl flee from Armenia ? A lot of them are even working in Turkey.


and how many have left turkey ?????????????
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Re: Armenia ethnically cleansed Kurds,

PostAuthor: KCF » Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:28 am

Marie K. wrote:
Piling wrote:That is right that there is a huge racism against muslims in Armenia, Georgia and in Russia


we were speaking about yezedi not the kurd or muslim...


Yezidis are kurds honey.
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Re: Armenia ethnically cleansed Kurds,

PostAuthor: Marie K. » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:02 pm

KCF wrote:
Marie K. wrote:
Piling wrote:That is right that there is a huge racism against muslims in Armenia, Georgia and in Russia


we were speaking about yezedi not the kurd or muslim...


Yezidis are kurds honey.


nope some Yezedis dont define themselves as kurds..only they are close to..
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Re: Armenia ethnically cleansed Kurds,

PostAuthor: Piling » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:53 pm

The ONLY non-Kurdish Yezidi are 2 arab clans living in Southern Kurdistan, not far from Lalish and Sinjar. All the other are Kurds and speak Kurmancî. The so-called Yezidi non Kurdish nation is a fantasis stuff inspired by the anti-muslim feeling in some Caucasian states.
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Re: Armenia ethnically cleansed Kurds,

PostAuthor: Marie K. » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:52 pm

Piling wrote:The ONLY non-Kurdish Yezidi are 2 arab clans living in Southern Kurdistan, not far from Lalish and Sinjar. All the other are Kurds and speak Kurmancî. The so-called Yezidi non Kurdish nation is a fantasis stuff inspired by the anti-muslim feeling in some Caucasian states.



i dont think so..
u cant assimilate people if they dont want to..

meme pas vrai d'abord!!!:-)
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Re: Armenia ethnically cleansed Kurds,

PostAuthor: Diri » Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:03 pm

@Marie

What is this?

I am VERY confused by your signals...

Why are you dividing Kurds for the sake of religion? :?

I don't get it... On one hand you are racist towards Turks saying they don't have an identity of their own and that they are not realy a people or whatever... So it sounds like you are very extreme in your interpretations and demand a vast range of rights and freedoms for the Kurds...

But then on the other hand you are dividing Kurds into units because they have different religions...

All this confuses me... Because I thought you wanted rights for Kurds - not to divide us...

And you are VERY wrong to do so... So what if you met an assimilated Êzidî who didn't consider himself Kurdish... Those few who do that don't deserve to call themselves "Kurdish" anyway...

But to hear you splitting Kurds is just ridiculous... On what grounds are you doing so? Because you know one or two assimilated Êzidî's? Or what?

Please explain... I am interested in your story...
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Re: Armenia ethnically cleansed Kurds,

PostAuthor: Marie K. » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:54 pm

Diri wrote:@Marie

What is this?

I am VERY confused by your signals...

Why are you dividing Kurds for the sake of religion? :?

I don't get it... On one hand you are racist towards Turks saying they don't have an identity of their own and that they are not realy a people or whatever... So it sounds like you are very extreme in your interpretations and demand a vast range of rights and freedoms for the Kurds...

But then on the other hand you are dividing Kurds into units because they have different religions...

All this confuses me... Because I thought you wanted rights for Kurds - not to divide us...

And you are VERY wrong to do so... So what if you met an assimilated Êzidî who didn't consider himself Kurdish... Those few who do that don't deserve to call themselves "Kurdish" anyway...

But to hear you splitting Kurds is just ridiculous... On what grounds are you doing so? Because you know one or two assimilated Êzidî's? Or what?

Please explain... I am interested in your story...


Diri,
what did u say?
u misunderstood...
no of course i never say that i wanted to divide Kurds,
they are ever at variance with each other (because of the different political party, they have been split into different countries) its enough division..,dont u think?

but the fact is some kurd from north kurdistan (anatolia) had been forced
to intermingled during many years with turk (turkified i meant)
of course a lot who could protected themselves by mountains still remain their kurdish
culture but some had forgotten.it. then thas why some of them are supporting turkey now..

anyway the first original religion of Kurds was the yezdism not islam but mostly kurds have forgotten it, it's a pity..

no i dont have any story about it;-)...

u said now in the topic "armenia ethnically cleansed kurds" but they have never try to change the ethnicity of kurd areas
but turkish have did it alot..why there is no thread about it !!???
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Re: Armenia ethnically cleansed Kurds,

PostAuthor: Marie K. » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:00 am

Diri wrote:@Marie

What is this?

I am VERY confused by your signals...

Why are you dividing Kurds for the sake of religion? :?

I don't get it... On one hand you are racist towards Turks saying they don't have an identity of their own and that they are not realy a people or whatever... So it sounds like you are very extreme in your interpretations and demand a vast range of rights and freedoms for the Kurds...


no its not racism its historical facts who had been proved in everywhere..
i have said they had built their own identity of people they had "met"..this is very different its means..they had took others cultures to build their own identity...a lot of things they said its turkish now infact its greeks or kurds who have bring it to them..


Diri wrote:But then on the other hand you are dividing Kurds into units because they have different religions...

All this confuses me... Because I thought you wanted rights for Kurds - not to divide us...

And you are VERY wrong to do so... So what if you met an assimilated Êzidî who didn't consider himself Kurdish... Those few who do that don't deserve to call themselves "Kurdish" anyway...

But to hear you splitting Kurds is just ridiculous... On what grounds are you doing so? Because you know one or two assimilated Êzidî's? Or what?

Please explain... I am interested in your story...



my only preoccupation is the few real asia minor people who reach to survive take back their own land....
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