Last news : Kurds are not Aryan !

[Piling]

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/mi ... te1778.htm

Too bad for the "Aryan Union" !
And it is a new bullet in the gun of Arab nationalists and islamists claiming that Kurds are Jewish agents !

[Diri]

Well - personally, I never said or believed that Kurds were "Aryan"... But we do have an Iranic language...

[Diri]

Wow...

Thanks Piling... I just read the summary of the book - and the article... Wow...

Impressive book...

Now I see what your "Jewish Agents" was about...

[raman82]

Well nobody is really Aryan because Aryan isnt a race , its just sanskrit for a NOBLE PERSON , you can be black and Aryan , The Nazi-Muller policies changed that notion that Aryans are tall blond blue eyed heroes riding on horses conquering places. Mind you even Indo Iranian people were of mixed stock too where ever they went. For Arabs this is new ammunition .

[nuray]

i think kurds are kurds and not related to jews. zaza and kurds are more related to persians in my opinion.

[Diri]

i think kurds are kurds and not related to jews. zaza and kurds are more related to persians in my opinion.

It is talking about genetics - not culturally, Nuray can...

Facts are facts when it comes to genetics... But culture is a different matter - as there are hardly any "facts"...

[nuray]

i think kurds are kurds and not related to jews. zaza and kurds are more related to persians in my opinion.

It is talking about genetics - not culturally, Nuray can...

Facts are facts when it comes to genetics... But culture is a different matter - as there are hardly any "facts"...

do you think zaza are genetic related to jews?

[Diri]

i think kurds are kurds and not related to jews. zaza and kurds are more related to persians in my opinion.

It is talking about genetics - not culturally, Nuray can...

Facts are facts when it comes to genetics... But culture is a different matter - as there are hardly any "facts"...

do you think zaza are genetic related to jews?

Well the research paper about that matter doesn't differentiate between "Kurd" and "Zaza"... It considers (obviously) Zaza to be Kurdish - same with Goranî, Kurmancî and Soranî... Which is the popular and logical and historical and cultural and social and economic truth...

Yet - new nationalist trend tries to separate Kurds into several units...

But let's keep in mind: not Kurds from ALL cities and towns were genetically tested for the comparison with other nations... So one can easily say: it's not 100% accurate... Although fairly accurate...

[xosere]

Kurds might not be Aryan, but they are certainly Iranian. Yek, do, se...

Zazas are not Kurdish, but Kurds are Zazaish. Some nationalist Kurds are trying
to prevent the Zazaish unity. I hope someday they will find the right way and accept
their Zazaish origin.

[Diri]

Kurds might not be Aryan, but they are certainly Iranian. Yek, do, se...

Zazas are not Kurdish, but Kurds are Zazaish. Some nationalist Kurds are trying
to prevent the Zazaish unity. I hope someday they will find the right way and accept
their Zazaish origin.

Iranic, yes... Iranian, no...

It's funny that you try to pretend that Kurds are forcing Zazakî Kurds to be Kurdish... When the fact is nobody has forced them - and they choose what they wanna be themselves... So how can you make such stupid allegations about Kurds trying to prevent them from being part of something they don't wanna be a part of?

Maybe you should ask yourself: "What does it mean to be Zazakî?"... "And who is Zazakî?" - then perhaps you will understand that nationalism is an artificial creation - man made...

[xosere]

@Diri

Iranic, Iranian, Aryan doesn't really matter. All of them mean the same thing. Yes, Kurds are
Iranic, in your word.

For me, Kurds are Zazaish, and Sorani and Kurmanci are Zazaish dialects. I don't care about
science or anthropology. My view is nationalist, like you, like that Frencyi "smart ass" Pling,
and like MHP.

Ataturk claims that Zazas, Kurds, Laz and others are Turkish.
You claim that Zazas, Goranis, and Loranis are Kurdish.
I claim that Kurds, Goranis and Loranis are Zazaish.

I don't see anything wrong with my ideas.

[Diri]

@Diri

Iranic, Iranian, Aryan doesn't really matter. All of them mean the same thing. Yes, Kurds are
Iranic, in your word.

For me, Kurds are Zazaish, and Sorani and Kurmanci are Zazaish dialects. I don't care about
science or anthropology. My view is nationalist, like you, like that Frencyi "smart ass" Pling,
and like MHP.

Ataturk claims that Zazas, Kurds, Laz and others are Turkish.
You claim that Zazas, Goranis, and Loranis are Kurdish.
I claim that Kurds, Goranis and Loranis are Zazaish.

I don't see anything wrong with my ideas.

See, you don't KNOW what I claim... You THINK you know... But you are obviously wrong...

Let me tell you what I claim in more simple terms:

Every human being is an individual before anything else. We belong to a country, a religion, a nation, a local community, a social circle (school/university/work etc. for example) and so on and so forth...

Most of us are FREE members of all of these - If I want to live in Norway - I can do that. If I want to live in England, I can do that... If I want to be Muslim, I can be that - or Christian or Jewish... I choose. If I want to be Kurdish, Zazakî or Argentinian, I can be exactly that... If I want to work at a factory, I can do that... If I want to study and be a student - I can do that...

WE make the choices OURSELVES...

I do NOT believe or take for GRANTED that ALL Zazakî are KURDISH. If you think THAT is what I am saying, then you must think I am very dumb. What I say is highly intelligent and sophisticated - what I say is the result of personal reflection and inquiry - and I conclude: All men/women are free to be part of whatever nation they wish. And that means that there are Zazakî Kurdish people and Zazakî people...

I think I made myself clear - yet if you should have any difficulties understanding any of it - then don't bother me again, please...

[raman82]

Actually Zazas and Gilakis are not related to Jews . See , when they do these genetic tests they take samples of a population , different parts of Kurdistan are from different stocks of people but have a Median connection. There is a Semitic substratum in most Kurds but with Zazas and Gilakis not so , their genes are more akin with more archaic Iranic populations such as Zoroastrians , Baluchis and a few others. Lots of modern day Persians have some Arab blood . I read somewhere Hewarami kurds are also very similar to Zoroastrians , hence the name Ahuraman ,which is a cognate of Hewarami.

[raman82]

Actually Zazas and Gilakis are not related to Jews . See , when they do these genetic tests they take samples of a population , different parts of Kurdistan are from different stocks of people but have a Median connection. There is a Semitic substratum in most Kurds but with Zazas and Gilakis not so , their genes are more akin with more archaic Iranic populations such as Zoroastrians , Baluchis and a few others. Lots of modern day Persians have some Arab blood . I read somewhere Hewarami kurds are also very similar to Zoroastrians , hence the name Ahuraman ,which is a cognate of Hewarami.

[Diri]

Sorry Raman can - but you've written a lot of inaccurate and uncertified information...

First of all, the people of Kurdistan are made up of many layers of peoples/cultures... However that layering process in it's grand scheme, stopped 1000 years ago...

The Kurdish people is, mainly, the result of Caucasian-Aryan cultures (yes, many of them, not just Hurrian and Median) mixing...

Abraham was from Mesopotamia. He wandered up the Euphrate and in Riha in Northern Kurdistan (modern "Urfa") you will find traces of his historic presence. Many believe Abraham was Kurdish - and even if HE wasn't - one of his wives was - as she was from the Riha region... Of course this is a projection of nationalist views into the past - making it anachronistic - because people probably identified more strongly with their tribal and religious beliefs than with their linguistic/ethnic group - in e.g. the rest of the Kurds - in the case of the people of Kurdistan...

There is no such thing as a "Semitic substratum" in Kurds - I don't know where you have that from... Any sources, bira?

And who are these "Zoroastrians" you keep mentioning? Zoroastrianism is a religion - a Kurdish one at that - founded by Zerdesht, who was born in Soma û Biradosta near Ûrmiye. The only people who are called "Zoroastrians" today are Iranian expast who've fled from Iran after the Islamic revolution - and they've not been called that for more than 30 years - so they can hardly be considered a nation/people...

The Balochi are close relatives of the Kurds - and closer to Proto-Kurdish groups than to modern Zazakî and Goranî Kurds...

Hewreman? Do you know what that means? It's Kurdish and it means: "They stayed together" - due to their isolated way of life - they're famous for their terasse houses (which are examplified versions of how most Kurds used to live):



Ahuraman? You mean Ahura Mezda?