Do Balochis descend from Kurds??

[Kurdistano]

In all struggles in this world its always a number of people fighting for all. You cant expect that 100% of the Baluch will fight for their rights. Baluch simply need support from west and the "few" fighting ones will be enough.

No one is going to notice balochis and that's what saddens me. Even un and human rights didn't notice them how do you expect a western power to support them when they don't even know they exist?!?!

dont be so pessimistic. If Iran gets attacked it will be in Western interests to tear apart such a big country. And till the Osama bin laden incident Pakistan has shown how kind of great ally they really are to US. Dont be surprised if they become the target too.

The following map was prepared by Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters. It was published in the Armed Forces Journal in June 2006, Peters is a retired colonel of the U.S. National War Academy. (Map Copyright Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters 2006).

Although the map does not officially reflect Pentagon doctrine, it has been used in a training program at NATO’s Defense College for senior military officers. This map, as well as other similar maps, has most probably been used at the National War Academy as well as in military planning circles.

This map of the “New Middle East” seems to be based on several other maps, including older maps of potential boundaries in the Middle East extending back to the era of U.S. President Woodrow Wilson and World War I. This map is showcased and presented as the brainchild of retired Lieutenant-Colonel (U.S. Army) Ralph Peters, who believes the redesigned borders contained in the map will fundamentally solve the problems of the contemporary Middle East.

[RawandKurdistani]

Balochistan will recieve freedom. After the independence of Kurdistan and Balochistan we should work to improve our unity.

[Alya.]

dont be so pessimistic. If Iran gets attacked it will be in Western interests to tear apart such a big country. And till the Osama bin laden incident Pakistan has shown how kind of great ally they really are to US. Dont be surprised if they become the target too.

The following map was prepared by Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters. It was published in the Armed Forces Journal in June 2006, Peters is a retired colonel of the U.S. National War Academy. (Map Copyright Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters 2006).

Although the map does not officially reflect Pentagon doctrine, it has been used in a training program at NATO’s Defense College for senior military officers. This map, as well as other similar maps, has most probably been used at the National War Academy as well as in military planning circles.

This map of the “New Middle East” seems to be based on several other maps, including older maps of potential boundaries in the Middle East extending back to the era of U.S. President Woodrow Wilson and World War I. This map is showcased and presented as the brainchild of retired Lieutenant-Colonel (U.S. Army) Ralph Peters, who believes the redesigned borders contained in the map will fundamentally solve the problems of the contemporary Middle East.

The US isn't stupid enough to attack Iran too. Even if the Iranian occupied part is freed I think that Pakistan is going to occupy it since most Balochis are not educated it'll take generations to build up the country, that's if it wasn't occupied by someone since there are so many enemies in the surroundings.

[Alya.]

Balochistan will recieve freedom. After the independence of Kurdistan and Balochistan we should work to improve our unity.

Maybe Kurdistan since they have supporters and their case is talked about, but I don't think Balochistan will.

[Kurdistano]

The US isn't stupid enough to attack Iran too. Even if the Iranian occupied part is freed I think that Pakistan is going to occupy it since most Balochis are not educated it'll take generations to build up the country, that's if it wasn't occupied by someone since there are so many enemies in the surroundings.

This is impossible the Pakistanis cant go into former Iranian areas and try to conquer it as if they are living in the middle ages this will create deep tensions in the whole region and it will be Pakistan which will come short believe me.
You sound like as if Iran could harm the US in any way. Actually its more than wrong to assume that the US will be stupid enough to wait and let Iran get Nuclear weapons. Its just a matter of time.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 42281.html

[RawandKurdistani]

Balochistan will recieve freedom. After the independence of Kurdistan and Balochistan we should work to improve our unity.

Maybe Kurdistan since they have supporters and their case is talked about, but I don't think Balochistan will.

Independence sure won't come if you keep talking in that negative attitude. In order for liberation of your country, you (and all other baloch) has to increase your nationalism, remember that nothing is stronger than the mind of an oppressed people.

[Alya.]

The US isn't stupid enough to attack Iran too. Even if the Iranian occupied part is freed I think that Pakistan is going to occupy it since most Balochis are not educated it'll take generations to build up the country, that's if it wasn't occupied by someone since there are so many enemies in the surroundings.

This is impossible the Pakistanis cant go into former Iranian areas and try to conquer it as if they are living in the middle ages this will create deep tensions in the whole region and it will be Pakistan which will come short believe me.
You sound like as if Iran could harm the US in any way. Actually its more than wrong to assume that the US will be stupid enough to wait and let Iran get Nuclear weapons. Its just a matter of time.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 42281.html

US isn't going to conquer Iran. Look at what happened when they went Iraq and Afghanistan, so what do you think is going to happen if they went to Iran too?

[Alya.]

Balochistan will recieve freedom. After the independence of Kurdistan and Balochistan we should work to improve our unity.

Maybe Kurdistan since they have supporters and their case is talked about, but I don't think Balochistan will.

Independence sure won't come if you keep talking in that negative attitude. In order for liberation of your country, you (and all other baloch) has to increase your nationalism, remember that nothing is stronger than the mind of an oppressed people.

What kind of difference will I do. You can't convince them they think that they're doing the best

[Kurdistano]

The US isn't stupid enough to attack Iran too. Even if the Iranian occupied part is freed I think that Pakistan is going to occupy it since most Balochis are not educated it'll take generations to build up the country, that's if it wasn't occupied by someone since there are so many enemies in the surroundings.

This is impossible the Pakistanis cant go into former Iranian areas and try to conquer it as if they are living in the middle ages this will create deep tensions in the whole region and it will be Pakistan which will come short believe me.
You sound like as if Iran could harm the US in any way. Actually its more than wrong to assume that the US will be stupid enough to wait and let Iran get Nuclear weapons. Its just a matter of time.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 42281.html

US isn't going to conquer Iran. Look at what happened when they went Iraq and Afghanistan, so what do you think is going to happen if they went to Iran too?

Alya please, they took over Iraq within a month and hanged that man Saddam. If they wished they could simply massacre all anti American powers in Iraq but this would hurt their reputation and its not in their interest. You sound like Iraq and Afghanistan have won a war against the US. They got what they wanted in Iraq, get rid of Saddam.

[Kurdistano]

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Alya you sound like we are forcing you to become independent and you are defending to stay part of Iran.

Its up to you. Either you guys stay pessimistic and complain for lack of support (as if we Kurds had support from anyone) or you guys can try to change something.

[Alya.]

Alya please, they took over Iraq within a month and hanged that man Saddam. If they wished they could simply massacre all anti American powers in Iraq but this would hurt their reputation and its not in their interest. You sound like Iraq and Afghanistan have won a war against the US. They got what they wanted in Iraq, get rid of Saddam.[/quote][/quote]


My point was that when the US occupied Iraq and Afghanistan they gained hatred by people and these people are already fighting back, so if they occupy Iran it's going to turn worser especially that Iran has russia as allies, who were the US enemies and still are and still waiting for anything to happen to get into a fight with them

[Alya.]

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Alya you sound like we are forcing you to become independent and you are defending to stay part of Iran.

Its up to you. Either you guys stay pessimistic and complain for lack of support (as if we Kurds had support from anyone) or you guys can try to change something.

No I wasn't I was trying to point out some facts.

[Kurdistano]

Alya please, they took over Iraq within a month and hanged that man Saddam. If they wished they could simply massacre all anti American powers in Iraq but this would hurt their reputation and its not in their interest. You sound like Iraq and Afghanistan have won a war against the US. They got what they wanted in Iraq, get rid of Saddam.

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My point was that when the US occupied Iraq and Afghanistan they gained hatred by people and these people are already fighting back, so if they occupy Iran it's going to turn worser especially that Iran has russia as allies, who were the US enemies and still are and still waiting for anything to happen to get into a fight with them[/quote]


Iran is not Iraq nor Afghanistan its made up of a whole of a hell of different ethnic groups which just wait for the chance . Who said they need to control Iran? All they need to do is support the minorities.

Russia will do crap and go into war for another country just like they didnt with Syria nor Libya

[Kurdistano]

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Alya you sound like we are forcing you to become independent and you are defending to stay part of Iran.

Its up to you. Either you guys stay pessimistic and complain for lack of support (as if we Kurds had support from anyone) or you guys can try to change something.

No I wasn't I was trying to point out some facts.

Alya I sstart to become suspicious about your origin. These are not facts but just wishful thinkings of some pan iranists I have come across and the iranian regime.

[Alya.]

Iran is not Iraq nor Afghanistan its made up of a whole of a hell of different ethnic groups which just wait for the chance . Who said they need to control Iran? All they need to do is support the minorities.

Russia will do crap and go into war for another country just like they didnt with Syria nor Libya

There is racism and was there racism in Iraq and Afghanistan like in Iraq when it was kurds, Assyrians and Arabs and in Afghanistan when Pashtuns started killing off hazara's and kidnapping them and using them as slaves

Russia didn't give a crap to Libya and Syria since they do not have rich natural resources as Iran does and Russians are the ones who are helping Iran develope their nuclear weapons right now