Real History

[Kurdsta]

No, you're spreading lies!

We have nothing to do with the Summerians, Aryans were not the invaders. Original Aryans came from Arya-Veya, the original homeland of the Aryans and it was in the mountains of Kurdistan.

The Medes were native to Kurdistan.

Chaldeans came from the south, Arabia and the Levant. They were Semitic folks and belonged to hg. J1 & E.

If that was true why do a lot of Kurds have such dark hair, why don't we look lighter, if weare true aryans and we look like what we did today how come we don't share our ancestry with half of Europe?

[Kurdsta]

http://firstlegend.info/3rivers/thewingedsolardisk.html

Our religion Zoroastrianism is based of Sumerian religions and other elements

[Kurdsta]

Go read some books by diakonoff, how do you Sumerians are J1 or whatever it is ??

You don't even know who the modern day Sumerians are they are certainly not the Arabs of Iraq..

[jjmuneer]

Go read some books by diakonoff, how do you Sumerians are J1 or whatever it is ??

You don't even know who the modern day Sumerians are they are certainly not the Arabs of Iraq..

Because J1c3 is a common paternal haplogroup in south/central of Iraq.

[Kurdsta]

Go read some books by diakonoff, how do you Sumerians are J1 or whatever it is ??

You don't even know who the modern day Sumerians are they are certainly not the Arabs of Iraq..

Because J1c3 is a common paternal haplogroup in south/central of Iraq.

Their are migrations you know, the Akkadians moved north as did the Sumerians.

[jjmuneer]

There is no proof to suggest Kurds are Sumerians. Lets say there was migrations, that wouldn't explain the low J1c3 amongst Southern Kurds. You might aswell state the Assyrians were also Kurds, since there were "migrations".

[thesunchild]

No, you're spreading lies!

We have nothing to do with the Summerians, Aryans were not the invaders. Original Aryans came from Arya-Veya, the original homeland of the Aryans and it was in the mountains of Kurdistan.

The Medes were native to Kurdistan.

Chaldeans came from the south, Arabia and the Levant. They were Semitic folks and belonged to hg. J1 & E.

If that was true why do a lot of Kurds have such dark hair, why don't we look lighter, if weare true aryans and we look like what we did today how come we don't share our ancestry with half of Europe?

Because Aryans were not from Europe and never looked Europoid.

Kurds are not pure folks, I believe that we (all Kurds) have more than 10% of the Semitic, Elamite etc. DNA in us

[jjmuneer]

Aryans weren't Europid?
Enjoy(BMAC/Andronovo skulls):






Nice try playing into Turkish propaganda. The Paternal haplogroup within that region is R1a-z93, a marker you see in Northern Kurdistan and Southern Kurdistan to a lesser extent. Maternal haplogroups, well they were a mix, but a few studies have shown T1* went up to frequencies of 20%, along with u8 and H1.

[thesunchild]

Aryans weren't Europid?
Enjoy(BMAC/Andronovo skulls):

Nice try playing into Turkish propaganda. The Paternal haplogroup within that region is R1a-z93, a marker you see in Northern Kurdistan and Southern Kurdistan to a lesser extent. Maternal haplogroups, well they were a mix, but a few studies have shown T1* went up to frequencies of 20%, along with u8 and H1.

mtDNA of the Aryans was also U7, Kurds have lots of it.

I'm not saying that Aryans were mongoloid or Turkic.

Aryans were Caucasoid but not eally Europoid. By that I mean they were just not native to Europe and didn't came from Europe.

[jjmuneer]

Aryans weren't Europid?
Enjoy(BMAC/Andronovo skulls):

Nice try playing into Turkish propaganda. The Paternal haplogroup within that region is R1a-z93, a marker you see in Northern Kurdistan and Southern Kurdistan to a lesser extent. Maternal haplogroups, well they were a mix, but a few studies have shown T1* went up to frequencies of 20%, along with u8 and H1.

mtDNA of the Aryans was also U7, Kurds have lots of it.

I'm not saying that Aryans were mongoloid or Turkic.

Aryans were Caucasoid but not eally Europoid. By that I mean they were just not native to Europe and didn't came from Europe.

I think your really getting confused bewteen Racial terms and geographic/cultural terms. European was only created as a term 2600-2400 years ago by the Greeks. Europoid is the same as Caucasoid there is no difference bewteen the two terms.
Yes Indo-Iranians had U7 aswell, but the point is in central asia followng Turkic expansions from the 6th century onwards, maternal lingeages and paternal ones changed. What is strange is that Iranic paternal lingeages seem to be more in tact, such as R1a-z93, goes up to 40% in Tajikistan, probably higher even. Even amongst Turkmens you see a high R1a1a frequency. This probably suggests that there was probably an exchange of populations, and mixing wasn't just "rape" or a complete wiping out of the males.

[thesunchild]

Aryans weren't Europid?
Enjoy(BMAC/Andronovo skulls):

Nice try playing into Turkish propaganda. The Paternal haplogroup within that region is R1a-z93, a marker you see in Northern Kurdistan and Southern Kurdistan to a lesser extent. Maternal haplogroups, well they were a mix, but a few studies have shown T1* went up to frequencies of 20%, along with u8 and H1.

mtDNA of the Aryans was also U7, Kurds have lots of it.

I'm not saying that Aryans were mongoloid or Turkic.

Aryans were Caucasoid but not eally Europoid. By that I mean they were just not native to Europe and didn't came from Europe.

I think your really getting confused bewteen Racial terms and geographic/cultural terms. European was only created as a term 2600-2400 years ago by the Greeks. Europoid is the same as Caucasoid there is no difference bewteen the two terms.
Yes Indo-Iranians had U7 aswell, but the point is in central asia followng Turkic expansions from the 6th century onwards, maternal lingeages and paternal ones changed. What is strange is that Iranic paternal lingeages seem to be more in tact, such as R1a-z93, goes up to 40% in Tajikistan, probably higher even. Even amongst Turkmens you see a high R1a1a frequency. This probably suggests that there was probably an exchange of populations, and mixing wasn't just "rape" or a complete wiping out of the males.

There’re differences between let me say folks from Scandinavia and folks form the Caucasus. According to me Europoid and Caucasoid are 2 related species that share the same common antique ancestor.

As far as I know Turkic and Aryan tribes never fought fiercely against each other. Even in the beginning when the Turkish (Mongoloid) speakers came from the (Mongoloid) Altai region to Anatolia Kurdish tribes were very happy with. Kurds thought that Mongoloid Turkic tribes would be very helpful against the Greeks. Oh boy, at that time our ancestors made a huge mistake as we can see it now.

[jjmuneer]

There’re differences between let me say folks from Scandinavia and folks form the Caucasus. According to me Europoid and Caucasoid are 2 related species that share the same common antique ancestor.

I wasn't making the comparison of caucasus and Scanadanavia, considering the caucasus is non-Indo-European, but in terms of cephalic index, Kurds are actually quite akin to that of the Germanic populations. Europoid and caucasoid are the samethings, people just use them differently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

As far as I know Turkic and Aryan tribes never fought fiercely against each other. Even in the beginning when the Turkish (Mongoloid) speakers came from the (Mongoloid) Altai region to Anatolia Kurdish tribes were very happy with. Kurds thought that Mongoloid Turkic tribes would be very helpful against the Greeks. Oh boy, at that time our ancestors made a huge mistake as we can see it now.

Then how would one warrior like peoples assimilate another warrrior like peoples? Altai mountains were never fully Mongoloid, there was actually quite a handful of Tocharian and Indo-Iranian burial sites found in the region and in China even, though the Chinese government hid it only until recently.

I don't remember Kurds thinking Turks were helpful, considering the Mongols and Oghuz Turks practically wiped out what was left of the pre-islamic culture in the region and yeh they did kill off a high percentage of the male populations in the region. I also don't recall and alliance bewteen Turks and Kurds against Greeks.

[thesunchild]

There’re differences between let me say folks from Scandinavia and folks form the Caucasus. According to me Europoid and Caucasoid are 2 related species that share the same common antique ancestor.

I wasn't making the comparison of caucasus and Scanadanavia, considering the caucasus is non-Indo-European, but in terms of cephalic index, Kurds are actually quite akin to that of the Germanic populations. Europoid and caucasoid are the samethings, people just use them differently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

As far as I know Turkic and Aryan tribes never fought fiercely against each other. Even in the beginning when the Turkish (Mongoloid) speakers came from the (Mongoloid) Altai region to Anatolia Kurdish tribes were very happy with. Kurds thought that Mongoloid Turkic tribes would be very helpful against the Greeks. Oh boy, at that time our ancestors made a huge mistake as we can see it now.

Then how would one warrior like peoples assimilate another warrrior like peoples? Altai mountains were never fully Mongoloid, there was actually quite a handful of Tocharian and Indo-Iranian burial sites found in the region and in China even, though the Chinese government hid it only until recently.

I don't remember Kurds thinking Turks were helpful, considering the Mongols and Oghuz Turks practically wiped out what was left of the pre-islamic culture in the region and yeh they did kill off a high percentage of the male populations in the region. I also don't recall and alliance bewteen Turks and Kurds against Greeks.

Firstly. No we have nothing to do with Germans. Kurds are much closer to the native folks in the Caucasus that to Europeans.

Also, when Turks arrived in Anatolia Kurds never opposed their presence/arrival. I thought it was a well-known fact among us Kurds.

[jjmuneer]

Firstly. No we have nothing to do with Germans. Kurds are much closer to the native folks in the Caucasus that to Europeans.

Our cephalic index is closer to that of Germanic populations than Caucasus one, that is fact, but that doesn't mean there are links lol. Nordic people are just depigmented Meds. We are closer to caucasus people in what sense? On 23andme there are some Georgians similar to me, but mostly Iranians and Kurds from my tribe.

Also, when Turks arrived in Anatolia Kurds never opposed their presence/arrival. I thought it was a well-known fact among us Kurds

Evidence?

[thesunchild]

Firstly. No we have nothing to do with Germans. Kurds are much closer to the native folks in the Caucasus that to Europeans.

Our cephalic index is closer to that of Germanic populations than Caucasus one, that is fact, but that doesn't mean there are links lol. Nordic people are just depigmented Meds. We are closer to caucasus people in what sense? On 23andme there are some Georgians similar to me, but mostly Iranians and Kurds from my tribe.

Also, when Turks arrived in Anatolia Kurds never opposed their presence/arrival. I thought it was a well-known fact among us Kurds

Evidence?

Of course Persians and other Kurds are close to you, because you're a Kurd. We Kurds do belong to the same Kurdish nation. We're all 'blood' brothers.


Well, we're the same human species (human race) as the native folks in the Caucasus.