What was there before the Ottoman/Persian division

[Vladimir]

The only time that Kurdistan was united administratively was under the Seljuks... It was a province which included not only greater Kurdistan... but Luristan, Armenia and Azerbajian....

Prior to the Ottoman conquest Kurdistan was under the control of the Akkoylu... A Turkic tribal confederation that drew support from hetrodox Muslim elements...

can u give us more infromation about it ? or a book which I can see the whole Kurdistan in Akonolnlu?

This book has a history of the term Kurdistan and Kurd in it... it is well worth a read...
http://www.powells.com/biblio?isbn=0791459934

I am reading the book now. It's promising. Is it written by a Kurd?

[Vladimir]

Marwaniden emirate (990-1086). This is a Kurdish emirate located near Amed/Diyarbakir.

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[Piling]

Marawanids emirate was famous. They were great princes, and at this time they were Syriac (Assyrians) 's friends !

http://sanate.free.fr/anglais/kurdishprinces.htm

[Vladimir]

Thanks for the link. Didn't the Mamluks also consist of Kurdish rulers or only "Turkish" rulers?

Were there more Kurdish kingdoms in the Medieval period? Or in 0 - 1000?

[Piling]

Mamluks originally, as their name showed were slaves. Mostly of them were Turks (but not all) for white Slaves in Islamic Empires came from Central Asia and Caucasus (,non-islamic countries). These Turks or Circassians served Caliphs and Sultans as their "personnal guard" independant from aristocratic families and clans and tribes. But in the same part, their power increased and they often took the power. During all the Middle-Ages until Mongols' conquest, the military and political power were in Turks and Kurds' hands. They were a military class, in fact, both people famous for being great warriors.

In Egypt, after Ayyubid Kurdish decline and fall, a Mamluk called Aybak took the power. And Mamluk dynasty, firstly Turkish, then Circassian ruled the ME until Ottoman arrival in Cairo (1516-1517). They stayed in Egypt though as local governors until Bonaparte and English conquest.

In ME there were five Kurdish dynasties absolutely independant : marwanids, Hasanwayhids, and Greater and Lesser Lurs and Ayyubids. But they were numerous Kurdish states which officially were vassals of Caliph and after of other Sultans, but have their own coins, and made Friday Preach recitated in their name (an unofficial independance but de facto, like current KRG ).

[Tirigan]

Thanks for the link. Didn't the Mamluks also consist of Kurdish rulers or only "Turkish" rulers?

Were there more Kurdish kingdoms in the Medieval period? Or in 0 - 1000?

Mamluks were Turkish slaves of Georgian origin.

[Piling]

Fed up with that huge stuff copy from Aina. Put a link. That's enough.

[Vladimir]

?? WHat you talking about?

Anyway, Piling there is a nice book about the Emerate Ardalan in French. You should read it.

Other powerfull emirates were Botan, Hakkari, Bedlis, etc.

http://www.let.uu.nl/~Martin.vanBruines ... distan.htm

"Kurdistan in the 16th and 17th centuries, as reflected in Evliya ..."

This is also nice.

[Piling]

?? WHat you talking about?

Don't worry, didn't talk to you, just to a dumby with his heavy and dull Assyrian moaning of wich I delete the post until he understand.

Yeap, I know the paper, we have it in the Library.

[kurdistani]

Marwaniden emirate (990-1086). This is a Kurdish emirate located near Amed/Diyarbakir.

Source:

do they have that book in English?

[kurdistani]

The only time that Kurdistan was united administratively was under the Seljuks... It was a province which included not only greater Kurdistan... but Luristan, Armenia and Azerbajian....

Prior to the Ottoman conquest Kurdistan was under the control of the Akkoylu... A Turkic tribal confederation that drew support from hetrodox Muslim elements...

can u give us more infromation about it ? or a book which I can see the whole Kurdistan in Akonolnlu?

This book has a history of the term Kurdistan and Kurd in it... it is well worth a read...
http://www.powells.com/biblio?isbn=0791459934

I am reading the book now. It's promising. Is it written by a Kurd?

No....

[Vladimir]

Marwaniden emirate (990-1086). This is a Kurdish emirate located near Amed/Diyarbakir.

Source:

do they have that book in English?

I am not sure. This is a big scientific book about this emirate. But I cannot take it with me from the library. It's in a closed stack.

You can read more about the Meriwanids in the article Piling posted.