Roj Bash Kurdistan

Ahmed's topic got me thinking about just how old is South Kurdistan? I've heard and read different info regarding this. I think Kurds settled around South Mesopotamia in 875 and that Türkmen truly settled around the time of the Selçuk era when Tuğrul and his army entered in 1055...
I do know it's Kurdish land and not Türkmen land okey.

Barış wrote:Ahmed's topic got me thinking about just how old is South Kurdistan? I've heard and read different info regarding this. I think Kurds settled around South Mesopotamia in 875 and that Türkmen truly settled around the time of the Selçuk era when Tuğrul and his army entered in 1055...
I do know it's Kurdish land and not Türkmen land okey.

I believe the earliest settlements of Kurds in what is known now as Iraq was in 612 BC when the Median and Babilonian conqured and divided the Assyrian Empire .The land south of Ninava was taken by babilonian and from Ninava going north was taken by the median . The median empire lasted around 60 years and was later destroyed by Achaemenid Empire or Persian Empire .

talsor wrote:

Barış wrote:Ahmed's topic got me thinking about just how old is South Kurdistan? I've heard and read different info regarding this. I think Kurds settled around South Mesopotamia in 875 and that Türkmen truly settled around the time of the Selçuk era when Tuğrul and his army entered in 1055...
I do know it's Kurdish land and not Türkmen land okey.

I believe the earliest settlements of Kurds in what is known now as Iraq was in 612 BC when the Median and Babilonian conqured and divided the Assyrian Empire .The land south of Ninava was taken by babilonian and from Ninava going north was taken by the median . The median empire lasted around 60 years and was later destroyed by Achaemenid Empire or Persian Empire .

Thanks, I've read about your Median ancestors settling in 612 BC, but also that the first mention of Kurds in history was around 3,000 BC, under name of Gutium (Kurti), when they fought the Sumerians... Later around 800 BC, the Median tribes settled in the Zagros mountains and coalesced with the Gutiums... I'm somewhat confused, as I think Kurds maybe settled as far back as about 3,000 BC.

Barış wrote:Ahmed's topic got me thinking about just how old is South Kurdistan? I've heard and read different info regarding this. I think Kurds settled around South Mesopotamia in 875 and that Türkmen truly settled around the time of the Selçuk era when Tuğrul and his army entered in 1055...
I do know it's Kurdish land and not Türkmen land okey.

how do you know for sure it is land of kurds and not türkmeneli? i read before sumerians who came to ıraq between 3500-4000 years ago were from central asia and started first civilization of the world. linguists found at least 300 words to be of türk origin. also when they excavated in türkmenistan it showed cities of sumerian origin alot like to ones in nuzi (kerkük) ur and eridu.

nuray wrote:

Barış wrote:Ahmed's topic got me thinking about just how old is South Kurdistan? I've heard and read different info regarding this. I think Kurds settled around South Mesopotamia in 875 and that Türkmen truly settled around the time of the Selçuk era when Tuğrul and his army entered in 1055...
I do know it's Kurdish land and not Türkmen land okey.

how do you know for sure it is land of kurds and not türkmeneli? i read before sumerians who came to ıraq between 3500-4000 years ago were from central asia and started first civilization of the world. linguists found at least 300 words to be of türk origin. also when they excavated in türkmenistan it showed cities of sumerian origin alot like to ones in nuzi (kerkük) ur and eridu.

I really want t know what kind of crack you are on , because I definitly want some .

We are not saying that tukman are sub-human or they are any less than any othere nation , So do not take a defensive stand , because no one is attacking you . Any nationalists with half a brain can write some artical therorizing such and such for the main purpose of propaganda to expand their national identity or creat a sense of belonging. That however does not make it a fact . There is similarities between the pyramids in Egypt and suoth America , Does that mean they were build by the same people ????

The most interesting part about what you wrote was "The turks being the pre-sumerian in mesopotamia" , Therorising that is not only rediculous , it is also mind numming . You could be right though , but only in a parallel world .

talsor wrote:I really want t know what kind of crack you are on , because I definitly want some .

We are not saying that tukman are sub-human or they are any less than any othere nation , So do not take a defensive stand , because no one is attacking you . Any nationalists with half a brain can write some artical therorizing such and such for the main purpose of propaganda to expand their national identity or creat a sense of belonging. That however does not make it a fact . There is similarities between the pyramids in Egypt and suoth America , Does that mean they were build by the same people ????

The most interesting part about what you wrote was "The turks being the pre-sumerian in mesopotamia" , Therorising that is not only rediculous , it is also mind numming . You could be right though , but only in a parallel world .

i am not on any kind of crack. i do not use any drugs ok.
i asked how do you know for sure? and i did not say it is fact. kurd nationalists write fiction propaganda too! so how do you know what is correct?

nuray wrote:

Barış wrote:Ahmed's topic got me thinking about just how old is South Kurdistan? I've heard and read different info regarding this. I think Kurds settled around South Mesopotamia in 875 and that Türkmen truly settled around the time of the Selçuk era when Tuğrul and his army entered in 1055...
I do know it's Kurdish land and not Türkmen land okey.

how do you know for sure it is land of kurds and not türkmeneli? i read before sumerians who came to ıraq between 3500-4000 years ago were from central asia and started first civilization of the world. linguists found at least 300 words to be of türk origin. also when they excavated in türkmenistan it showed cities of sumerian origin alot like to ones in nuzi (kerkük) ur and eridu.

I know because there's no historical evidence to back that theory up.

nuray wrote:i am not on any kind of crack. i do not use any drugs ok.

It is just an expression used when someone makes no sense , It does not mean that I think you are on drugs .

nuray wrote:i asked how do you know for sure? and i did not say it is fact. kurd nationalists write fiction propaganda too! so how do you know what is correct?

You have Stockholm syndrome my dear Nuray , it is a psychological condition mostly can be found in people whom have been kidnaped or abused for a long period of time . People with your condition shows signs of loyalty to the abuser regardless of of any logic .

Ah Sumerian is regarded as a language isolate in Linguistics.

talsor wrote:

nuray wrote:i am not on any kind of crack. i do not use any drugs ok.

It is just an expression used when someone makes no sense , It does not mean that I think you are on drugs .

nuray wrote:i asked how do you know for sure? and i did not say it is fact. kurd nationalists write fiction propaganda too! so how do you know what is correct?

You have Stockholm syndrome my dear Nuray , it is a psychological condition mostly can be found in people whom have been kidnaped or abused for a long period of time . People with your condition shows signs of loyalty to the abuser regardless of of any logic .

you are not a psychiatrist so you should not diagnose people ok.

nuray wrote:

talsor wrote:

nuray wrote:i am not on any kind of crack. i do not use any drugs ok.

It is just an expression used when someone makes no sense , It does not mean that I think you are on drugs .

nuray wrote:i asked how do you know for sure? and i did not say it is fact. kurd nationalists write fiction propaganda too! so how do you know what is correct?

You have Stockholm syndrome my dear Nuray , it is a psychological condition mostly can be found in people whom have been kidnaped or abused for a long period of time . People with your condition shows signs of loyalty to the abuser regardless of of any logic .

you are not a psychiatrist so you should not diagnose people ok.

Your symptoms are classic and easily recognized even for a blind/deaf person . I will explain it to you .

1-You identify with the aggresser : which is an unconscious process in which a person adopts the perspective or behavior patterns of a or abuser. You act , Behieve , identify , agree , disagree ...etc 100% with turks with Zero room for any doubt .

2-Regression : Most of what you write is child like writing , Just flat deniel , Yes , No , etc .

3-You have negative feeling about any authority that undermind the authority of the abuser .

4-You have a positive feelings toward Your abuser .

5-The abuser (turks)develop positive feelings toward the abused(tukified ) . As you mentioned most turks like you .


I hope you would read more .

talsor wrote:Your symptoms are classic and easily recognized even for a blind/deaf person . I will explain it to you .

1-You identify with the aggresser : which is an unconscious process in which a person adopts the perspective or behavior patterns of a or abuser. You act , Behieve , identify , agree , disagree ...etc 100% with turks with Zero room for any doubt .

2-Regression : Most of what you write is child like writing , Just flat deniel , Yes , No , etc .

3-You have negative feeling about any authority that undermind the authority of the abuser .

4-You have a positive feelings toward Your abuser .

5-The abuser (turks)develop positive feelings toward the abused(tukified ) . As you mentioned most turks like you .


I hope you would read more .

you do not understand me. you do not know what i think and feel. what is important is what i know and not what you think of me.

kak talsor - what can i say... i am proud of you, however it sounds. my big and special respect for you.
nuray - tell me, if you can, why you are against us? why you think the big nation, of about - at least - 40 milion population - has no right for the independent country? cause it means that the occupiers will loose the richest regions? do you know why in 1923 england broke all promises from sevres (1920)? maybe we will have independent country if there wasnt any oli in kerkuk. if kurdistan was poor region of the world - maybe would be independent now. but we are rich. but you know what? the richest things that we have is in our hearts - that nobody can occupied.

Kulka gyan, don't mean to butt in, but how old do ya think South Kurdistan is?

Kulka wrote:kak talsor - what can i say... i am proud of you, however it sounds. my big and special respect for you.
nuray - tell me, if you can, why you are against us? why you think the big nation, of about - at least - 40 milion population - has no right for the independent country? cause it means that the occupiers will loose the richest regions? do you know why in 1923 england broke all promises from sevres (1920)? maybe we will have independent country if there wasnt any oli in kerkuk. if kurdistan was poor region of the world - maybe would be independent now. but we are rich. but you know what? the richest things that we have is in our hearts - that nobody can occupied.

Zor supas havala hija

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