Turkey seizes PKK marijuana stash in major crackdown 15/12

[Piling]

Why do people see this as a bad thing?? PKK do traffic drugs,yes, it shows the power of the organization and how influential PKK really is. I do definetly not see PKK as a terrorist organization because if this. They are fighting terrorists and to do that they need money. During the 90s when Ocalan was married the drug trafficking business was even better. Because his wife was the daughter of the leader of MIT(whoose name I can't remember),so they were able to traffic alots of drugs from Istanbul to Europe(especially Germany which was their main hub from where they later exported to other countries. A Kurdish university lecturer told me this who works at Lunds University. The PM of that time Tansu Ciller ended up with heave corruption charges but due to limitations and the political immunity of parliamentarians she didn't end up in jail. However today I think most of PKK's earnings comes from donations.

Last but not least, someone who accepts the truth and admits EVIDENCE !
It's an issue of geopolitics, not a propaganda 'for' or 'against' 'moral' or 'amoral' funds…

[brendar]

Its a shame whoever posts such news about PKK and Kurds. Maybe there is a group of mafia drug dealers who deal with drugs same as every other country. But blaming such things on PKK means blaming it on ALL KURDS which is a BIG shame.

Anyway, whoever posted it is not a Kurd.

[Fire]

Lol, pathetic that many of the users here really believe in the Terrorstate. First of all, Pkk doesn't deal with drugs. The biggest drug dealer in the World is Turkey. 80 % of the drugs in Europa came from Turkey. And it's well known. The reason why the Terrorists say,it's Pkk is because they always need to talk shit about Pkk, to make them bad. If someone would rape their dirty hairy mothers, they would say too, Pkk did it. And the pathetic Turks would even believe it.

[Anthea]

FACTS:
1: The seizure was reported on several INTERNATIONALLY RESPECTED web sites not just Turkish sites
2: It was a genuine item of news and as such was posted in the news section of this forum
3: That is what the news section is for - to post items of news
4: The person who posted the news did NOT write it
5: ALL items posted here are done so in order to keep people informed and give members a chance to discuss the items and the issues surrounding them
6: Photos that accompanied the news item were actually taken in Diyarbakir
7: I expect that we all know the past horrors of Diyarbakir prison and the destruction of Lice, and are well aware how much Kurds in that area HATE Turks
8: Nobody has yet mentioned the obvious facts such as that much marijuana would need an awful lot of space to grow in
9: I do not believe that the PKK would risk its fighters lives my having them watch vast fields of pot
10: An amount of marijuana that size, as we saw from the photos, would need a lot of lorries to transport it
11: The PKK have virtually 100% support in that area and would have known instantly if anyone was transporting large amounts of marijuana
12: I personally believe that it had to have been grown fairly locally
13: Why was such a large amount stored in one place
14: How long had it been there
15: Who actually grew it
16: Was it intended for the PKK
OR
17: Had the PKK confiscated it from a local drug cartel
18: Where is the marijuana now
WHILE WE ARE ON THE SUBJECT OF THE PKK
19: Does anyone have any ideas how we can raise INTERNATIONAL AWARENESS as to the actual plight of the Kurds
20: If anyone has any ideas on how to raise funds for the PKK all you have to do is mention it on forums such as this because the party has friends everywhere
21: How many of you have done as much to raise awareness and obtain support for Kurds as the person who originally post this item of news NONE

Those of you who are not happy with this or any other item of news PLEASE contact Reuters and the Associated Press because virtually ALL news WORLDWIDE would have gone through and been verified by their news agencies. If you believe strongly that the news was wrong and could prove it they will publish a retraction for all the world to see

[Kurdistano]

It is true .The trucks were coming from Qandil highway towards turkey and the drugs were heading to Europe and USA . While in the way PKK killed several Babies and burned few schools . They were making fun of Islam too and they are known to be hard core communists .

come on guys give it a rest . You honestly believe with hundreds of thousand of turkish soldiers ,check points , helicopters , fighter jets , spies , Jashes , American and turkish unmanned aerial planes that PKK is stupid enough to smuggle drugs to turkey ? Even the crazy talabans will not do that

Kurdistan is not colombia or mexico and we never relied on such means to support our struggle . It is demeaning to even suggest that .

As for PKK's financing , No one knows for certain where it comes from , but it is certainly not drugs money .Limited Donations are still being collected (even from Drug dealers ) in Europe and north America and sent to Qandil , but that does not cover fraction of actual cost of feeding , clothing , weaponizing thousands of fighters .

It also means nothing that Rudaw copied and pasted what turkish propaganda machine reported and they should be ashamed of themselves for portraying our peshmergas this way .

As far as I know, Cigarettes are smuggled and the PKK is financing themselves with it. But Marjuana sounds to me like fairy tails.

[hevalo27]

FACTS:
Those of you who are not happy with this or any other item of news PLEASE contact Reuters and the Associated Press because virtually ALL news WORLDWIDE would have gone through and been verified by their news agencies. If you believe strongly that the news was wrong and could prove it they will publish a retraction for all the world to see

reuters referrs to turkish officials. turkish officials will blame PKK for evertything. i am not against smuggling to organise the kurdish people and in my view mariujhana are not drugs

the point is, they will allways blame PKK for everything and if you are silent and belive in this nonsense the next time they will say PKK smuggles heroin and ..... how could they smuggle 20 tons mariujhana from diyarbakir to western europa ?? that is impossible. either the state organised this or poor kurds hoping make the big money.

[hevalo27]

http://www.politicalforum.com/middle-east/257340-german-secret-service-no-proof-pkk-involvement-drugs.html

that is the truth

[Qonyeyi]

There is still no evidence that PKK is affiliated with drug trafficking. Even German intelligence agencies are admitting it and they used to be number one indicator of the same old lie. So I do not see why Kurds are discussing it lol. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome

[unitedkurdistan]

But trafficking drugs was mostly back then but they have closed most of their plantations today. When it comes to drugs in turkey today, the majority comes from turkish gangs. However kurds do play a part of it since most of the drug plantations are in kurdish areas like Mardin, Bingol, Sirnak, Adyiaman(alot trafficked from iran). But are most times produced by poor local farmers who later sell them to turkish gangs, sometimes kurdish gangs in Europe like the very powerful Babasins. The terror state knows that many poor kurds who have been forced too move are addicted to drugs but don't do anything about it. But when it comes to demonstrations they will be there in a couple of minutes. I know that BDP/PKK strongly opposes the use of drugs since the facists don't give a shit but thankfully many poor kurds especially in the poor Ali Pasha district in Amed have stopped using drugs thanks to BDP and PKK.
However there are some kurdish journalists in Amed who says PKK should and could do more.
However the majority of people who traffics drugs to Europe and trade it within turkey are actually turkish football hooligans.

[hevalo27]

There is still no evidence that PKK is affiliated with drug trafficking. Even German intelligence agencies are admitting it and they used to be number one indicator of the same old lie. So I do not see why Kurds are discussing it lol. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome

exactly and germany is not even neutral. as a nato member and tradepartner they are really silent when it comes to turkey and kurds.

this is the origin source: http://www.verfassungsschutz.de/downloa ... assung.pdf

“Die PKK ist weiterhin in den USA gemäß dem „Foreign Narcotics Kingpin Designation Act“ (Gesetz zur Kennzeichnung ausländischer Drogenhändler) als in den Drogenschmuggel involvierte Organisation gelistet. In Deutschland liegen jedoch keine Hinweise dafür vor, dass Organisationsstrukturen der PKK direkt in den Drogenhandel verwickelt sind.”

and it says : in europa they reaches two digit million amount from donation as their main source of income

"Die jährlich stattfindende Spendenkampagne („kampanya“) ist nach
wie vor die wichtigste finanzielle Einnahmequelle der PKK. Funktionäre,
Aktivisten und Unterstützer konnten unter den in Europa lebenden
PKK-Anhängern wieder einen zweistelligen Millionenbetrag einsammeln."

[Qonyeyi]

But trafficking drugs was mostly back then but they have closed most of their plantations today. When it comes to drugs in turkey today, the majority comes from turkish gangs. However kurds do play a part of it since most of the drug plantations are in kurdish areas like Mardin, Bingol, Sirnak, Adyiaman(alot trafficked from iran). But are most times produced by poor local farmers who later sell them to turkish gangs, sometimes kurdish gangs in Europe like the very powerful Babasins. The terror state knows that many poor kurds who have been forced too move are addicted to drugs but don't do anything about it. But when it comes to demonstrations they will be there in a couple of minutes. I know that BDP/PKK strongly opposes the use of drugs since the facists don't give a shit but thankfully many poor kurds especially in the poor Ali Pasha district in Amed have stopped using drugs thanks to BDP and PKK.
However there are some kurdish journalists in Amed who says PKK should and could do more.
However the majority of people who traffics drugs to Europe and trade it within turkey are actually turkish football hooligans.

This howver is true. A lot of Kurdish mafia gangs in Europe are guilty of drug business and then sending money to PKK. But again, this does not mean PKK is the ony dealing with drugs. Is it wrong of PKK to take drug money as donations? ABSOLUTELY. And this is one of the main problems I have with it. But then again, it does not happen anymore and back then, faced with several enemies ( even amongst itself), it probably needed that money very very much. The amount of Kurdish mafia is minimal these days and those that are left have nothing to do with PKK. Rather most of them are probably integrated into various Gulen and Grey Wolf factions.

7: I expect that we all know the past horrors of Diyarbakir prison and the destruction of Lice, and are well aware how much Kurds in that area HATE Turks

What the hell are you talking about? Please stop this non sense. You have no idea if people in Lice hate Turks. They might hate the government for their facist works but why would they hate the Turks?

[Anthea]

7: I expect that we all know the past horrors of Diyarbakir prison and the destruction of Lice, and are well aware how much Kurds in that area HATE Turks

What the hell are you talking about? Please stop this non sense. You have no idea if people in Lice hate Turks. They might hate the government for their facist works but why would they hate the Turks?

It is not for me to give you a history lesson as to why Kurds in certain locations hate Turks. And it would be going off subject. But what I have written is NOT nonsense.

[Anthea]

QUESTION:

How do we know that the bags are actually full of marijuana ?

As I said earlier; if large amounts of marijuana had been moved around in that area then the PKK would know.

If, as some people believe, this was a set-up to show the PKK in a bad light, then surely the Turkish government are not going to invest in the destruction of such a vast amount marijuana.

We need to find out what happened to the drugs

We need to know whether the bag were actually full of marijuana, or if they were full of rubbish with some drugs on the top

Does anyone have any ideas on what to do or how to find out what happened to the bags

We NEED constructive ideas

[Senti69]

7 trucks :

you are a joke piling. turkish sources will blame pkk for everything. that you really belive in such news shows us you are not trustworth after all. we know you have problems with the kurdish freedommovement, but enough with your and turkish dirty campaign against kurd u kurdistan. they can lie but they cant stop our freedomfight, never !

someone should ban this person.

Someone should ban you for your narrow minded thoughts.. let there be free speech.

As for the essay, it couldn't have described the PKK any better as in regards to it's financial situation.
Although, I find it odd that no links have been found to the money laundering of MED TV/PKK.
Secondly the essay does not emphasize the point that the largest income is the control of taxation over the silk route (Afghanistan/Pakistan to Europe).
Can you categorize PKK to be an Narco organization if the Netherlands and USA apply their taxes over the sale of Marijuana?

[Zert]

Here's what I've heard, so take this with a pinch of salt:
The PKK as a whole does not really have a "Drug Trafficking Plan", but there have been several elements within the PKK (or affiliated to them) that were involved in such things. The PKK gets its money from the ~5 million fervent supporters; among which must be some really wealthy sympathisants.

Now, my own take on this is that they could very well be involved in drug trafficking. Though the questions raised here are certainly valid: how the hell would they get it all the way to Europe?
Then again, don't forget that they can be transported the other way too; drug abuse in Iran, for example, is really high. Still, I've never heard of any news about PKK's herbs there.

i wish they'd give me all that weed

BTW, many of you users get your panties in a bunch way too easily; learn to think critically, and realize that even your most beloved heroes can make mistakes. If those are then exposed, don't go crying that everyone is trying to put them in a bad daylight. All news should be reported, good and bad.