Unification of West -South & East Kurdistan!

[kassem]

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[Vladimir]

You are forgetting treaty of Sevres? The Kurds fucked up their own source for indepence in North Kurdistan.
They were very stupid to work together with the Turks, but this is also because of religion..

[Emmunah]

Okay, let's say you were king of the world and could change the world tomorrow. You would then unify all of Kurdistan. I know I would too!!!!!!

We are not kings or queens though, but we want there to be a Kurdistan right? The question I ask to you is...given all of the people that have died for thousands of years to make that, and in deep and humble honor of their memory, how many people will die trying to make this happen? Is there a way to make it happen without another million deaths?

You know the world doesn't care about deaths...and so everyone can find their death, but will that make Kurdistan? In the face of the realities of this day, when freeking Turkey, Ajirbajan and the Caspian oil line deal went through? Will Turkey have enough power to stop the loss of their "perceived" borders being changed? If every single Kurd were willing to stand up and fight, do you think Turkey would not fight and win? Do you think anyone would stop them? If so, why aren't they stopping these things elsewhere? If every Kurd stood up and peacefully demanded independence, do you think Turkey would slaughter them all? I give that 50/50 odds that they would. Who is going to stop the villages from being flooded by the new dam? Has "Human Rights Watch" or "Amnesty International" been able to change it? NO! Do I like that....F*K NO, NO, NO!!! Can I change it! NO!

What other way can there be a Kurdistan? What way that does not involved another milliion dead, but instead a million new houses, a million new jobs, a 100,000 new factories, a 100,000 kids lifted out of poverty, a million new computers, and a 100,000 new computer scientists? This is the Kurdistan that CAN BE...it's something we CAN DO. As much as my heart cries out for everything you are talking about, there is no way to have all we want.

You ask Kassem, am I willing to die to make Kurdistan free? I am willing to work myself to death to make A KURDISTAN! A place where all Kurds can call their own home! I only care that it is enough....not that it is all...because the Kurdistan that CAN BE is better than the Kurdistan that kills a million and can't be.

Taiwan will NEVER be China, no matter what....but the Chinese will never stop calling it China. Now they are talking of war, but there will never be a war, they are pre-occupied with too many other things, like they are selling an average of 1000 new cars a day in Bejeing to people who never had them before....people who had to walk, or ride a bike, or rickshaw. Taiwan is too interested in inventing things and education to do more than have politicians prattle on about China....the people just want to live up to their dreams, not to send their kids to die, not to try to fight a war with China that they could not win.

I want Kurdistan to be a place with a long, deep and honorable past that is treasured, but I want you all to be the heros of tomorrow and look up to the builders of lives and not the destroyers of lives. Be proud, but be visionaries...be proud, but be even prouder when the Kurdish encyclepedia is filled with great doctors, engineers and scientists. That's all I'm really saying. I would NEVER disrespect Kurdish history.

It is probably the thing that the US population is guilty of....history began when our ancestors got off the boat, it's something that gets inside your brain.

[Emmunah]

Kassem, I was only talking of Kurds going to Southern Kurdistan and if syria/iran kurdistan comes about too...not going to eu or us.

Oh, and I'm sorry for cussing. We are passionate people yes?

[kassem]

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[Emmunah]

I think many Kurds in Northern Kurdistan will think exactly the way you say Kassem. I think you are right about the changes. But I want there to be a place, a nation, a confederated place called Kurdistan. I do not care if it is attached to Iraq for the good of all, but I want it to say WELCOME TO KURDISTAN! I want the British and the French and the Americans and the Chinese and EVERYONE to say KURDISH AMBASSADOR! Even if they have to do it the same way they do it to Taiwan....I want it to be there for ALL Kurds and all people who want to work to make Kurdistan a wonderful place to come if they need to, to escape persecution or if they want to come home and not be in those ghetto's in Europe. I do not want to stop fighting for human rights in Turkey, that's not what I'm saying.

It's not the fight for human rights I have a problem with, I will fight that fight with NGO's and the voice of morality....it's fighting to gain independence from Turkey that I have trouble with, because it is not necessary...better to have some land called Kurdistan that is a beacon of success and sets a good example, AND this will work hand in hand to make rights better in Northern Kurdistan.

[Emmunah]

South Africa has 11 official languages.
India has 18 languages but teaches in English
The US absorbes millions of non-english speakers all the time.
So does Europe...the dialects are different, but it's not what I think would be the biggest problem.

[Diri]

Oh My GOD!!!

Kassem - First and foremost you TOTALY misunderstood and misinterpreted what Emmunah said - she didn't say that she wanted the Kurds of North kurdistan to move to South Kurdistan! And mark my words - NORTH AND SOUTH KURDISTAN - WHICH should imply that they are BOTH KURDISTAN ...

And anyway - you are FAAAAAR off track - we are talking about the unification of Western - Southern and Eastern Kurdistan together - that would mean that Syria gets the Sunni areas of Iraq in exchange for the Kurdish North as part of South Kurdistan - and that would also mean that Iran gets the Shia areas of South Iraq and in exchange gives ALL Kurdish land in Iran to South Kurdistan - and then - We would have a LARGE and far reaching Kurdistan - Maybe we could even have acces to the Mediterranean in the West - just a little strip like Gaza strip or something...
NOW - If this Kurdistan THEN has the chance to do commerce with Europe and sell it's oil and become rich it will become MUCH more appealing for the Kurds of the North... And by then the world will have seen that Kurds of South West and East are doing GREAT and are PRO Western...


THEN they would push for Northern Kurdistan to become part of rest of Kurdistan - Of course through vote - THIS sounds like a fairlytale... and frankly right now it is... Would Turkey allow for this "transition" of land between Iran, Kurdistan and Syria to happen??? There are many ways to give Turkey the blind ear - US has a lot to say - They would pressure Turkey to shut up and the West in generall is highly supportive of the Kurdish cause... and this WOULD be a peacefull way to claim Kurdistan - It would be a political strive--- In the end - nobody will have been killed, raped or suffer any other sorts of abuse...

And this way Kurdistan will not be subject to inflation and economical imbalance - because Kurdistan will expand one federal state at a time -

I think first out will be Iran - Iran is being quit STUPID about all of this... they can choose to take part i this sort of program - OR they can wait untill their people are sick of their oppression and then LOOSE East Kurdistan without EVEN getting lands in south IRAQ... You are wondering - would the shia there want to be part of Iran? YES- They are both shia - so it doesn't matter if they are arab or persian or echem... And then all shia sacred cities will be in one country... And in East Kurdistan the people will vote for "yes to joining south Kurdistan" or "no to joining south Kurdistan"... easy said and just as easily done... IF ONLY GIVEN A CHANCE!

And then the same would be offered to Syria - only the would be getting manly Sunni aprovinces/areas of Iraq - Like Anbar and Salahaddin and so on... And in exchange the politicians of Yekiti and others will have mad e deal about what parts of Northern Syria will be West Kurdistan - and they could even work to get some access to the ocean - even if only a few miles of land... It would mean a lot for Kurdistan - NOW that would look like a very FANTASTIC Kurdistan!

Kurdistan would then have three STATES each with it's regional parliament... which then later would be discareded in favour of a single pariament - but the idea is to give the Kurds in all three parts a feeling of safety! And they will have that if they are given the right to determine their own regions... Besides each part will have ltille in common with the other parts because they have been separate for so long... it takes time anyway!

And lets say that within 15-20 years these three parts will have become rich - with booming economy and with good conditions for human rights and society to evolve... by now the Northern Kurds will have lobbied for a Referendum -and lets just say that it takes them 5 years or so to get their will - and they vote - the areas that have 40-50 % "YES" will join Kurdistan! - I doubt that turkey will be the first choice for kurds in the North if they can choose between a FREE and UNIFIED Kurdistan and Turkey... it is quite clear EVEN you would vote yes... and ALL four parts of Kurdistan would be ONE AND UNITED - Anlo they would be four federal states with regional perliaments - With Capitals being Kerkuk, Amed, Qamishlî/Afrîn and Mahabad/Sîne - for South, North, West and East Kurdistan respectively...


I think this would be the ideal way to make the "state"(more like PRISON for the KURDS!) called IRAQ obsolete! It would sieze to exist! in it's place would rise Kurdistan - And a greater Syria and a greater Iran...

SO - Without thinking of the "problems" that you MIGHT think would stand before us - WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE PLAN? It's not my idea - but it is a GREAT and PERFECT IDEA FOR KURDISTAN TO NOT stain her medows and mountains with blood anymore...

[Emmunah]

If they want to come to Southern Kurdistan, they should be able to. If they want to come to be productive and not destructive is what I mean.

Do you play chess? I think this is like a chess game. It's slower than that, but you have a goal, and that goal has to be thought out in steps.

First you protect and defend what you have as you would a king and queen on the chess board...then when you have a good defensive position you bring out more pieces...or in this case you bring in more pieces. But the first thing is to make Southern Kurdistan, not a prison, but a strong, self-sufficient, and great place for people to come, get work, learn, and vacation.

BTW: Congratulations to Medya, he took a pawn this past week, he has the first Kurdistan technorati blog

[doopaman]

Look at the Jews, they lose there land 2,000 yr ago.Force to live among the nations, yet manage preserve there identity and history.then some how get back there land after 2,000 yrs.

[kassem]

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[Diri]

no I don't play chess. the problem is south kurds leaders need to make south kurdistan everybody's kurdistan, just the first piece of a puzzle, not a state of its own... they need to see the interests of the kurdish people, not the south kurdish people only like they do now... and they should have declared independance from baghdad as soon as 2003 anyways. now they need to work harder with linguists and people from all parts of kurdistan, to create a unified language and teach it in their schools... and replace the arabic script with the latin script like all the people that work on unifying kurdish language have suggested for at least 10 years

YES That is what I am saying too! I am glad we agree! We musn't become content with ONLY South Kurdistan - We must scheme and plan about HOW to get other parts of Kurdistan FREE and a part of GREATER Kurdistan... We can't just fight for South Kurdistan and forget about ALL other historical and culturally important places... The best way to go about this would be to organize ourselves and make organnizations that can lobby for kurdish Liberation and Independence from their opressors! We must Lobby in important countries - USA - ISRAEL- EU, specially Greece! Also we should become close friends with Armenia! Russian Federation is not in the best of places to help - BUT they would be an ostacle if they were NOT on our side... SO we need to mobolize and inform about our peoples suffering and compare it to the genocide of the Jews in Europe and the genocide of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire... we must play our cards right and make our enemies shake in their pants with our STRONG allies... It is ONLY through diplomacy and politics that ALL the KURDISH areas will be liberated - Through fighting and war we will only meet un-acceptable compromise... And we can NOT compromise on our peoples rights.. Nor can we forgive and forget our tyrants for the pain and abuse we have been subjected to!!!

Biji Kurdistana rindik û!!!

MERG BER TURKEY, IRAN, IRAQ AND SYRIA!( - We'll always wanted to immitate those Iranian bastards shouting against Israel and USA...)