Turkish embassy threatens U.S. Kurds and friends

[heval]

when did I justify burning villages, and when did I say all kurds are problem?

ahh this conversation goes no where with you. You wake up.

agree,you are fighting with someone else, not me.

[cheryl]

well, Only three died because of bullets, one of them died a bullet that cannot be used by police.

One of them is a child playing at a park, and other also have not relation with protests.

So Infact no rioters killed by police, so dealing of turkish police with protestors is fine, but others died.

I dont think police aimed bystanders. they need much more education, they were using guns not toys, they should be aware of this, but I dont think police was cruel.

Man. . . what the hell does all this mean, zurderer?

There is only one kind of bullet that cannot be used by Turkish police, and that kind of bullet is called a "BLANK." Besides, why do they need bullets to shoot at demonstrators when they can shoot gas canisters instead?

You admit that the children had no relation with the protests, but it doesn't bother you that security forces killed them anyway? And you say that no rioters were murdered by police but "others" died? You mean the kids playing on the playground or watching from their family balconies? Well, your statement is in direct contradiction with IHD's evidence.

If the security forces are not aiming at the demonstrators, then how did people get shot? Why is IHD saying they WERE shot by security forces? What, is IHD part of some grand, anti-Turkish PLOT to destroy the territorial integrity of Atatürk's happy little playground?

Or is it that old stupid thing of firing in the air, over the heads of demonstrators to scare them away the problem here? What goes up, must come down according to the laws of physics. I don't suppose they know about this law in Turkey, and if they did, they probably figure they don't have to obey it anyway because it's another anti-Turkish PLOT forced on them by the EU to bring about "democracy" and destroy the territorial integrity of the all-wise and all-loving TC.

But IGNORANCE of the law (of physics, in this case) is NO excuse. If security forces fired into the air, they acted recklessly and purposely endangered the lives of the demonstrators. And if they are not aware that they are using guns, and if they need more education on firearms, why the hell are they issued guns in the first place? That may not be cruel in and of itself, but it sure is STUPID.

I am not calling all kurds terrorists, but active supporters of crimes.

In other words you are saying that not all Kurds are "terrorists," but all Kurds are certainly criminals.

Uh-huh.

burning three people is far from becoming innocent, supporting them is also not innocent.

Or do you think they are innocents?

Burning? There was burning too? Let me try to figure this out. . . burning people is not an innocent act but supporting those burned is also not innocent? Are you saying that everyone should stand by and do nothing or make no judgement if Turkish security forces attack people because they are not innocent? How do you know they are not innocent? Let me clue you, in a democracy, people are supposed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty, but that's not how they do it in Turkey, is it? From your statement, I draw the conclusion that the Turkish police or others given arms by the state, but without the proper education in using them, only engage guilty people. Therefore everyone is guilty simply by being targeted by the state.

What a stupid idea.

There were not anyone peacefully protested, all of them were agressive sorry.

Earlier you said that only three died of bullets, and that they had no involvement with the protests. But that's all okay with you. Then you said that no "rioters" were killed by police. NOW you are saying all the demonstrators were aggressive and that they harmed people and buildings. Does that mean that the kids were aggressive? Does the law in Turkey state that if you "harm" a building, you get an instant death penalty, without trial, simply by the judgement of security forces who are too stupid to learn how to operate weapons, and the penalty is imposed immediately AND extrajudicially?

Another stupid idea. In democracies it doesn't work that way, and I can't think of any democracy that applies the death penalty for a property crime (harming a building).

They supported unlawful acts

They supported the right to demonstrate and this is an "unlawful act?" More proof that Turkey is NO democracy.

no, you missunderstood, I am trying to say, that all kurds who is active supporters of PKK are terrorists. I am not saying all kurds are active supporters.Elections dont show this.

How are elections going to show who is an active supporter of PKK? Was there a little blank space to write in your own party, and people wrote in "PKK," and that's how elections show who is an active PKK supporter? Somehow, I just don't believe that. You are pulling this out of your ass.

Anti kurdish agenda? why are you so speacial?

I guess heval just feels he's special in your eyes because you say that he is a criminal. Is it part of an anti-Kurdish agenda to plainly state that all Kurds are criminals? Well, outside of Turkey it would be a damned good indicator of an anti-Kurdish agenda.

well wrong, saying Pkk is terrorist or burning 3 women is guilt doesnot mean, Turkey have right to oppress kurds.

Turkey has the right to oppress Kurds. That fits well with the all-Kurds-are-criminals thing. No, man, you have no anti-Kurdish agenda. Where would we get THAT idea?

realy? defending violent protests(that reasoned a lot death), is not fasism, but accusing them is fasism?

Sorry my friend, but wake up, that protestors even terrorised their own people.

What do you care how many people died in the protests? You are a Kurd-hater, and since the only ones who died were Kurds, you should be jumping for joy! Relax, man, crack open a bottle of bubbly and celebrate!

[zurderer]

There is only one kind of bullet that cannot be used by Turkish police, and that kind of bullet is called a "BLANK."

playing game?

You admit that the children had no relation with the protests, but it doesn't bother you that security forces killed them anyway?

It does, but It also shows killing is an accident.

you say that no rioters were murdered by police but "others" died? You mean the kids playing on the playground or watching from their family balconies? Well, your statement is in direct contradiction with IHD's evidence.

IHD? wow trustable source, calling terrorist as militans were not much different than DTP. Sorry news comes from IHD is not acceptable.

Operasyonlar sırasında öldürülen 14 silahlı militanın cenaze töreni sırasında

This shows what is IHD.

If the security forces are not aiming at the demonstrators, then how did people get shot? Why is IHD saying they WERE shot by security forces? What, is IHD part of some grand, anti-Turkish PLOT to destroy the territorial integrity of Atatürk's happy little playground?

If police aimed demonstraters why not any demonstrater didnt died because of police, but bystandars.?

Or is it that old stupid thing of firing in the air, over the heads of demonstrators to scare them away the problem here?

what should they do? kiss them? what is your alternative?

security forces fired into the air, they acted recklessly and purposely endangered the lives of the demonstrators.

no demonstrater died,also police have right to stop them, or what do you think? police should just watch them, when they are harming building and endangering lifes(infact 3 life is taken at istanbul).

And if they are not aware that they are using guns, and if they need more education on firearms, why the hell are they issued guns in the first place? That may not be cruel in and of itself, but it sure is STUPID.

True that is stupid, but remember police reasoned 3 life, others were taken by protestors. Excluding 3 killed at istanbul, It is not accident but murder.

In other words you are saying that not all Kurds are "terrorists," but all Kurds are certainly criminals.

I made explanation of this words.

Are you saying that everyone should stand by and do nothing or make no judgement if Turkish security forces attack people because they are not innocent? How do you know they are not innocent? Let me clue you, in a democracy, people are supposed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty, but that's not how they do it in Turkey, is it?

should we wait them to kill people? I am sure in everycountry police will not watch it.Playing words wont help much, acording to law, they are suspected, acording to a sensible man, they are guilty. I am not judge, so do I have no right to say killing some people is crime and If some people do this, they are guilty? do I need a court decision?

From your statement, I draw the conclusion that the Turkish police or others given arms by the state, but without the proper education in using them, only engage guilty people. Therefore everyone is guilty simply by being targeted by the state.

I am neither police nor judge, sorry attacking a bus full of civilians are guilt, police didnot shot them.So instead of that murderers 3 women died.

what a democracy.

you are saying all the demonstrators were aggressive and that they harmed people and buildings.

is there?

Does that mean that the kids were aggressive?

Yes, my friend, kids were aggressive. I love kid, but I dont love lies.

You love lies but dont love kids. For a lie, you use kids.

Does the law in Turkey state that if you "harm" a building, you get an instant death penalty, without trial, simply by the judgement of security forces who are too stupid to learn how to operate weapons, and the penalty is imposed immediately AND extrajudicially?

noone killed by this way, Police didnot killed childs because of harming a building. You are trying to show deaths as a cold blood murders.

Another stupid idea. In democracies it doesn't work that way, and I can't think of any democracy that applies the death penalty for a property crime (harming a building).

didnt you heard, what vali of diyarbakır said? cana geleceğine cama gelsin.(instead of loosing a life, we prefer to lose some property)

So, this words are totally empty.

They supported the right to demonstrate and this is an "unlawful act?" More proof that Turkey is NO democracy.

No they supported, killing 3 woman.

How are elections going to show who is an active supporter of PKK? Was there a little blank space to write in your own party, and people wrote in "PKK," and that's how elections show who is an active PKK supporter? Somehow, I just don't believe that. You are pulling this out of your ass.

I am talking about kurdish votes who have no interest with ethnic division, so I am trying to say, majority of kurds are not even passive supporters of PKK. Majority of kurds dont interest with ethnic politics.

So now, I hope I explained it better. Sorry dtp even cannot get 50% of kurdish votes.

it part of an anti-Kurdish agenda to plainly state that all Kurds are criminals?

dont put words to my mouth.

Turkey has the right to oppress Kurds. That fits well with the all-Kurds-are-criminals thing. No, man, you have no anti-Kurdish agenda. Where would we get THAT idea?

I think, my english is bad, again I am trying to say totally different thing.

What do you care how many people died in the protests?

They are my people, unless you I dont care their ethnic.

You are a Kurd-hater,

yeah I am.

and since the only ones who died were Kurds, you should be jumping for joy! Relax, man, crack open a bottle of bubbly and celebrate!

is this your own mentality? I dont care If some is turk or not.It is you who care this division.

You are trying to show protesters as innocents, but they reasoned a lot death, and they killed there woman.

[Lyn]

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[Lyn]

Is the Turkish embassy still ``threatening U.S. Kurds...``?

[Diri]

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Oh don't worry about that one... I'll delete him - he's just a robot!


And the Turkish embassy is still a pain in the butt... If it fails in one way - it finds a new way...

[Balci]

Threaten peaceful protestors by telling them they will do everything in their power to arrest them if they step on "Turkish" soil.

oh so this is threat? I just think, you are mentioning something important.

You are like PKK, talking about peace, but doesnot know what is peaciful.

Trying to burn someplaces is not peaciful.

They haven't burnt something in Germany since a long time, and while it happened, in 90s, about 3000 villages were burnt in Kurdistan. SOft revenge, then.

Update your knowledge, two or three turkish banks were attacked, plus I think one turkish dernek also attacked.

look, PKK have tried lots of times before to negotiate peacefully with Turkey, but it have just ended in shooting, caused by Turkish gouvernment, Espically Apo, he have always tried to negotiate, but its hard when your enemy is a fascist state like turkey, Our only way out of this conflict is to get rid of the Turkisk nationalists, and we got ourselves a Northern Kurdistan.