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[Rizgaraso]

I have some question; Everybody is welcomed to answer. I personally have no clear answer for it.

The questions are:

What do you think about a Chinese-Kurdish relationship? Is it a better option than US-Kurdish relations? Are Chinese more reliable than US and EU are to Kurds?
Do Kurds need to establish a Sino-Kurdish reltion stronger than their relations to the west? If so does it mean that they should drastically turn eastward? does this mean that they have to establish better relations with anti-west Iran and Syria? Do you feel that Kurdish leadership has already felt these all?...

Thanks.

[dyaoko]

they are a BIG OIL buyer , and we can sell our oil to them , and they themselves can make the way to transfer our oil to china (make pipeline and also encourage neibour governments to be peacefull with us)

but personally I dont like china , they are a dictioarship , and have backward system.

[Diri]

Sino-Kurdish? What?

I think our only and best chance is to stick with the Israelis and Americans...

Why? Because America and Israel are the only two countries who have a problem with Iran, Syria AND Iraq...

SADLY they do not YET have any big trouble with Turkey... But that day will come too...


Stick to the US...


BUT - we should ALWAYS be independent from others and especially outsiders... And especially the US...

They have backstabbed us before and will do it again...

[Rizgaraso]

but personally I dont like china , they are a dictioarship , and have backward system.

China is leftist like a significant portion of Kurdish political organizations.
After fall of Baath, Mam Jalal (originally leftist) was the first Iraqi who visited China.
Anyways dictators are reliable; they dont break their promises like the so-called democratic west.

[Rizgaraso]

Sino-Kurdish? What?

I think our only and best chance is to stick with the Israelis and Americans...

Why? Because America and Israel are the only two countries who have a problem with Iran, Syria AND Iraq...

SADLY they do not YET have any big trouble with Turkey... But that day will come too...

Kurds have four enemies: turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria. America has no problem with the 'new Iraq' (i.e. post-Saddam Iraq) + turkey. in these countries live 20% and 55% of Kurds. (= 75%)

Chia has not problem with Iran and probably Syria. but it supports a federal Iraq, and does not like turkey. It is interesting to note that Chinese historically called turks wild people. Indeed turk's name first used by the chinese to refer to a group of western mongoloid unsivilised tribes!
In Iran and Syria live 20% and 5% of Kurds. (= 25%)


Diri, dont expect any significant help from west to Kurds. The current artificial borders of middle east were drown by them.

Dont you think that Kurds should choose bad rather than worse?

[Diri]

Sino-Kurdish? What?

I think our only and best chance is to stick with the Israelis and Americans...

Why? Because America and Israel are the only two countries who have a problem with Iran, Syria AND Iraq...

SADLY they do not YET have any big trouble with Turkey... But that day will come too...

Kurds have four enemies: turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria. America has no problem with the 'new Iraq' (i.e. post-Saddam Iraq) + turkey. in these countries live 20% and 55% of Kurds. (= 75%)

Chia has not problem with Iran and probably Syria. but it supports a federal Iraq, and does not like turkey. It is interesting to note that Chinese historically called turks wild people. Indeed turk's name first used by the chinese to refer to a group of western mongoloid unsivilised tribes!
In Iran and Syria live 20% and 5% of Kurds. (= 25%)


Diri, dont expect any significant help from west to Kurds. The current artificial borders of middle east were drown by them.

Dont you think that Kurds should choose bad rather than worse?

I already said what I think in the lines you didn't bother quoting...


Kurds should be as independent as possible... No need for outsiders if we can do things on our own...

[dyaoko]

we should always think about all posibilities , so it is good to think about china , but can u tell me any other government who is alley with china and china is backing it ?

if u say iran for example , iran is very rich country, china's first the biggest oil buyer of iran ,and we saw in the Nuclear Agance they didnt oppose a punishment for iran...

so how can they respect kurdistan , which is not as rich and as powerfull as iran ... and doesnt have a SEA !

[Lovetobewithfriends]

As you said China dont have much allies and China as a only one country has a good future but they are not a superpower for now so it is hard for her to help Kurds in ME.And Kurds have relationship with west for long.And Kurds have relations with Israel for long too.Countries against Israel are against Kurds' independence too,outside of Turks.But Israel dont have much to do and i think they can press and persuade Turks to a free Kurdistan outside of Turkey.Maybe Kurds can forget Northern Kurdistan's freedom for long long if there would be a deal like that.Jews are really really interested in one more ally and Kurds are like missed piece in puzzle i think but Jews' unstable position can be bad for Kurds,Jews can change their plans,tactics fastly because of the unstable position and i think they are not happy of the tied politics with Turks for long period but they will not break their ties with Turks for more too.

And if we have relation with EU and USA in our way outside of Turkish or Arabic way or islamic way,i guess we can success but we should have a stable and good relation with whole western countries,country to country.I think EU have a potential bad feelings on Turkey.But why they will kid with theirselves with hating Turks when they cant deal with Turkey now??And USA never will be so good to Turks again after 2nd Gulf War,politically.I guess they will continue fight in Iraq and will think Kurds at least more them before. And Democrats will accept Armenian Genocide soon and i dont believe democrats will finish war,because having a 2nd Vietnam lose against muslims will shock USA,even not USA all christs much or less.But if we ally with west and if west lose than it will be really hard for Kurds.And allyship with western is so ironic and have no tie with religion,in fact it is a friendship between religions

But if we think so deep,the others will think like we are afraid of losing and we are not serious about independence and our all enemies are western affected,like Saddam he was America's favourite man but he was an animal,he killed people Sunnis,Shiites and he did lots (he was not right) to muslims with USA's help and USA gave him to Shiites to hang.I think it is really really meaningful we should tell the history to our grandchilds.I guess west did enought to Kurds and saw Kurds are right and the rest dont like them because of nothing,because they are a piece of shit they showed how big muslims they are and the most famous Kurd is Saladin he was a good people for muslims and christians too and we showed we are just on our own independence,i think western has nothing to be liar against to Kurds anymore until they lost the war.But we should be clever and this should be mutual relation if there will be relation like Kurdish-Western relations.These are my ideas,what you think about them?do you think we should have an allyship with western??

[Lovetobewithfriends]

We can made ally with Iranians when they are against Turks or with Turks when they have a conflict Iranians or Arabs,etc... it is possible in the future,we have to do that in the past but now we should try to not do that until it is not needed much because it can harm our right claims and makes everything confused,we shouldnt have so close and variable allyships with Iranian,Turks and Arabs.It is ok,if we will get closer to any country as a national politics but creating just confused and mixed politics without needed is really bad.

[cazyun]

yeah sure ally with iranies free shipment of spices and curry

it sounds good but it sounds to easy..iranies coperate if only there is intrest in their cause wich is create their empire..no one today would ally with iran a illegal nuclear classified country.. the best for kurds would be ally with west if you talking about the kuridstan region in northiraq..but still they hav a pretty good economic realtion with turkey..turkey likes having them balansed like this...a economical coperation is happeening in the shadows...

in a war case ally with iran would be suicide since the kurds hav close bands to usa n israel...

[zurderer]

my friend, how can you ally with west? dont you see, at west there is Turkey.(Or should tell you, at middle east, Turkey is the west.)

If USA leave iraq, west(Eurpeans.) can do nothing for you. why do you think, they will sacrify turkey for north iraq when they are not sacrifying turkey for Cyprus? They will care for your oil, that is true, but wait a little, only way oil goes to Europea is Turkey.

[Rizgaraso]

my friend, how can you ally with west? dont you see, at west there is Turkey.(Or should tell you, at middle east, Turkey is the west.)

If USA leave iraq, west(Eurpeans.) can do nothing for you. why do you think, they will sacrify turkey for north iraq when they are not sacrifying turkey for Cyprus? They will care for your oil, that is true, but wait a little, only way oil goes to Europea is Turkey.

Turkey is not the only way. Middle east is changing....

[zurderer]

you mean? syria? middle or south iraq? iran?

[Rizgaraso]

you mean? syria? middle or south iraq? iran?

Yes all. Even the current IRI has no serious problem with KRG as TR does.

[zurderer]

KRG? what is krg? I am talking about USA.