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PostAuthor: Diri » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:08 pm

AlbaSaab wrote:
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Saipul wrote:To become a Christian is easy. You simply believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and you affirm that belief to God in prayer which, if earnest, will make you born again. That's it. You can make that decision public by being baptized if you so please.
What do Muslims have to do; apart from being born into Muslim family, who would rather live by tradition than what the Koran says? :)


Muslims have to believe:

1) "I witness that there is only One God, and that Mohammed is God's prophet!"
2) In the Holy Quran... And it's teachings!
3) In ALL of God's Angels and prophets...

That's what a Muslim has to do... If you believe ALL of what Islam says to believe in - BUT you choose to NOT believe that Jesus is a Prophet - then you are NOT a Muslim... Beause being Muslim - means also recognizing Jesus as a prophet of God...

Can't say the same for Christianity or Judaism... Jews don't believe in Jesus nor in Mohammed... While Christians don't believe in Mohammed... Whereas Muslims believe in Jesus AND David AND Moses AND so on and so forth...
Doesn't Muslim/Islam mean "Submission to God"?


Islam = Submission.... But could also be from Selam = Peace...
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PostAuthor: Saipul » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:14 am

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Saipul wrote:Certainly not all Christians. Protestants along with Anabaptists see baptism as a sacrament, but it has nothing to do with salvation. Catholics have moved closer to the Protestant line in recent years, but Eastern Orthodox, Copts, etc. maintain their stance. Here is a list on various views about Baptism:

Baptists A divine ordinance, a symbolic ritual, a sign of having already been saved, but not necessary for salvation. See Baptist - Believer's Baptism.

Jehovah Witnesses Baptism not necessary for salvation since it is only a symbol of one’s attitude of being dead to sin.

Methodists (Arminians, Wesleyans) Baptism not necessary to salvation, since it is an outward sign of one’s membership in the Christian community.

Pentecostal (Various “Holiness” groups, Christian Missionary Alliance, Assemblies of God) Water Baptism is an ordinance, a symbolic ritual used to witness to having accepted Christ as personal Savior.

Presbyterians An ordinance, a symbolic ritual, and a seal of the adult believer’s present faith.

Quakers (Religious Society of Friends) Only an external symbol that is no longer to be practiced.

Salvation Army Do not baptize anyone today. Believe it was to be done only at the time of Christ.

Seventh Day Adventists An ordinance, symbolic ritual, not necessary to salvation. A time for person to express personal faith in Christ

United Church of Christ (Evangelical and Reformed Churches and the Congregationalist Churches) Not necessary for salvation because it is only an outward ritual.
Sorry, I can't let you get away with that!!

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that "Christian water baptism is an outward symbol that the one being baptized has made a complete, unreserved, and unconditional dedication through Jesus Christ to do the will of Jehovah God."

They believe that baptism involves complete immersion in water.
Because infants are incapable of making a personal dedication to God, Infant baptism is not practiced among Jehovah's Witnesses.
They do not baptize using the traditional formula of, "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit." This causes their baptism to be viewed as invalid in some churches.
They do not recognize baptisms from any other church, and so converts from all other churches must be baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

AlbaSaab, I got the list from Wikipedia. I suggest you edit the page there if you disagree with it.

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PostAuthor: AlbaSaab » Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:49 pm

Saipul wrote:
AlbaSaab wrote:
Saipul wrote:Certainly not all Christians. Protestants along with Anabaptists see baptism as a sacrament, but it has nothing to do with salvation. Catholics have moved closer to the Protestant line in recent years, but Eastern Orthodox, Copts, etc. maintain their stance. Here is a list on various views about Baptism:

Baptists A divine ordinance, a symbolic ritual, a sign of having already been saved, but not necessary for salvation. See Baptist - Believer's Baptism.

Jehovah Witnesses Baptism not necessary for salvation since it is only a symbol of one’s attitude of being dead to sin.

Methodists (Arminians, Wesleyans) Baptism not necessary to salvation, since it is an outward sign of one’s membership in the Christian community.

Pentecostal (Various “Holiness” groups, Christian Missionary Alliance, Assemblies of God) Water Baptism is an ordinance, a symbolic ritual used to witness to having accepted Christ as personal Savior.

Presbyterians An ordinance, a symbolic ritual, and a seal of the adult believer’s present faith.

Quakers (Religious Society of Friends) Only an external symbol that is no longer to be practiced.

Salvation Army Do not baptize anyone today. Believe it was to be done only at the time of Christ.

Seventh Day Adventists An ordinance, symbolic ritual, not necessary to salvation. A time for person to express personal faith in Christ

United Church of Christ (Evangelical and Reformed Churches and the Congregationalist Churches) Not necessary for salvation because it is only an outward ritual.
Sorry, I can't let you get away with that!!

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that "Christian water baptism is an outward symbol that the one being baptized has made a complete, unreserved, and unconditional dedication through Jesus Christ to do the will of Jehovah God."

They believe that baptism involves complete immersion in water.
Because infants are incapable of making a personal dedication to God, Infant baptism is not practiced among Jehovah's Witnesses.
They do not baptize using the traditional formula of, "in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit." This causes their baptism to be viewed as invalid in some churches.
They do not recognize baptisms from any other church, and so converts from all other churches must be baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

AlbaSaab, I got the list from Wikipedia. I suggest you edit the page there if you disagree with it.
That's very odd, because that's where I copied and pasted my reply from. (Doctrines of Jehovah's witnesses).

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PostAuthor: cazyun » Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:38 am

to become a christian?? its easy go drink alkohol,go rapewomen,having sex wit children like the preasts,rewrite the bible,hmmmmm i cant coutn there is so much...go ** fags.... :D

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PostAuthor: Diri » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:11 pm

cazyun wrote:to become a christian?? its easy go drink alkohol,go rapewomen,having sex wit children like the preasts,rewrite the bible,hmmmmm i cant coutn there is so much...go ** fags.... :D


That's not Christianity...

Please DO NOT insult religions with cheap talk about criminality and breaking social/jurisdicitional laws...

No religion advocates killing, raping or anything along those lines...
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PostAuthor: cazyun » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:15 pm

its fact most of christians who cal them self christians do this things :wink:

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PostAuthor: Piling » Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:59 pm

While all muslims live as pure saints, as everyone know... :lol:

By the way it is Muhammad who married a child, not Jesus.
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PostAuthor: cazyun » Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:25 pm

well it was not a child it was different times
back to facts how many christians priest to sex wit children?? hav that on mind..

muzlims respect all prophets inlcuding prophet jesus..not like christians make fun of all propghets specialle prophet muhammed ...christians dont even follow most in biblethey rewrite all the time like a lawbook in court?how come? i am curious :D

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PostAuthor: Piling » Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:59 pm

to facts how many christians priest to sex wit children??


and mullahs ? :) sexual abuses in religious schools are a serious problem in many islamic countries.

And I never heard that Christian rewrote the Bible, they just translated it. In another way, Muhammad pretended to reveal the REAL Bible, and then rewrote it in his own way : It is Coran.


muzlims respect all prophets inlcuding prophet jesus..not like christians make fun of all propghets specialle prophet muhammed


Christians are exactly like muslims and jews : they recognize the prophets BEFORE their own revelation. After their own book, they consider it as false. Islam has the same atttiude : Muhamamd is the last prophet and after him, there are only heretics. Much religoous currents were persecuted in Islam aboutt hat question of "new prophets".
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PostAuthor: cazyun » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:41 pm

piling were is you evidence and source of mullah making these things?? i can give many many excamples ,articles,videonews how high priest in church having sex wit childrens..

the bible is not ful writed makes they hav changed many things in it example look at verses i dint know write know were it says jesus is a god andin another verse acording to jesus he say there no god acording he is a humanbeing liek the rest....many examples

all prophets is equal but people betray and changed the scripts like toran and bible prophet muhammed is the last prophet yes and quran har corrected the mistakes and false verses in before holy scripts... :wink:

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PostAuthor: Piling » Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:48 pm

piling were is you evidence and source of mullah making these things?? i can give many many excamples ,articles,videonews how high priest in church having sex wit childrens..


You can find many examples about mullah sexual abuses just by searching in google. If less of christians, it is just because in Christian lands, these priests are publically denounced and arrested, but in islamic countries, ppl are afraid to claim about it.

You make a confusion between Bible and Evangile aka Old and New Testament for Chrsitians. Of course Jews and Christians have not the same look on old writings. But when you tell, as a good muslim, thatt

muhammed is the last prophet yes and quran har corrected the mistakes and false verses in before holy scripts...


it is just religious propaganda. How could you prove that you are right and a Jew or a Christian wrong ? Each religion claims " : I am the Truth ! I am the Truth !"
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PostAuthor: Parsi » Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:21 pm

Piling wrote:
piling were is you evidence and source of mullah making these things?? i can give many many excamples ,articles,videonews how high priest in church having sex wit childrens..


You can find many examples about mullah sexual abuses just by searching in google. If less of christians, it is just because in Christian lands, these priests are publically denounced and arrested, but in islamic countries, ppl are afraid to claim about it.

You make a confusion between Bible and Evangile aka Old and New Testament for Chrsitians. Of course Jews and Christians have not the same look on old writings. But when you tell, as a good muslim, thatt

muhammed is the last prophet yes and quran har corrected the mistakes and false verses in before holy scripts...


it is just religious propaganda. How could you prove that you are right and a Jew or a Christian wrong ? Each religion claims " : I am the Truth ! I am the Truth !"


Why are you two arguing? Religion is a personal matter...
Look to your history and roots to find your true self.

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PostAuthor: cazyun » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:48 am

searh google?? how true story you get? the west job is today to make islam a shame they can post watver they want on internet...big scandals has happenend christianty big priesta and bishops has sex wit children the men is supposed to be hav close conenction wit god?

old and new testement is based really on one holy script but they fighted wit eachoter and 2 script was borned wit many verser changed by scienctist..still yoday some christians dont anderstand the 3 part system in christianity...to see wats in the bible...

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PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:25 am

http://www.islam-watch.org/SujitDas/Madrasa.htm

Just write : children abused in islamic schools and you will have a bunch of cases... It exist in Pakistan and Afghanistan also. Moreover, because Muhammad married Aisha at 9, strict ulemas can not condemn marriage between adults and teen, then it happens in many archaic societies.

And concerning the changing verses of Bible, how many versions do you think there were of the Coran ? Written verses gathered after Muhammad 's death, many versions existed in people 's memories, and the Caliph Othman chosed the definitive version according to his own interests. Shi'a, for example, did contest it, as Kharijits.

By the way, I wonder how many muslims today understand the Coran, if we consider the number of Arab speakers among them. :)
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PostAuthor: cazyun » Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:31 pm

THIS is a typical antiislam page on internet congratulationd you convinced me so much :wink: that page is example of pages to make islam a shame relgion.

we are not having a diskussion about coran we talking the bible and its verser that confuses lots of people even high beliveind bishops...
coran is translated to many languages both you and i know it so dont trie wit that trick..

christianity has many unexplained questions hmmm :wink:

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