Islam is the Religion Of kurds

[oe]

Emenuah,

I agree 100 % percent with you. You are very right. The biggest crimes in the human history are the ones committed in the name of God or by divine inspiration.. I apreciate your point of view!!

[Mosul]

diri kurdish is a islamic culture, you know this yourself, what is so bad about islam that you deney it within our culture, look how kurds talk,dress, everything down to the way we bath is islamic. look at kurdish men, what do they always carry in their hands? Tazbeks also known as prayer beads. you know this all, you have been these forums to long.

[Diri]

Alevis aren't muslim

They are a branch of a group which includes "Ehlê-Heq" and Êzîdî religions

About 10-20% (disputed) are Alevîs among Kurds - therefor it is wrong to say that 97 % of Kurds are muslim...

NOW! - WHO DISAGREES??? DILSHAD - WHAT ABOUT YOU???

[Dilsad]

Well I grew up in a region where we had a majority of kurds fron the Alevi faith.
Now keep in mind that the Alevi in northern burdistan are different from the Alevis from let say in Syria which the current dictator is a part of, if I'm not wrong.
So my kurdish alevi friends NEVER saw themselves as muslim...to date I haven't really met one that did. Now what is interesting and that;s why in another post I was asking Alevis to answer, is that when I would ask them what the Alevi faith is exactly, they couldn't really answer.
Now my friends were from the diaspora, and may have just not known, so I don't want to seem offensive to Alevis.
All they were really sure of, was that they were not muslim. Even though their name is Alevi follower of Imam Ali.

Now, they have no rituals that we have in Islam, and yes they can eat pork, drink alcohol, but can't eat Rabbit!

So if anyone from the Alevi faith is here, could you please explain to me in a nutshell, accelerated course on Alevisme?

Thanks a lot!

[Diri]

I wrote some facts about these Alevism, Yezidi and Ehlê Heq in another forum - here it is:

The Yezidi Kurds - who are the parallel to Persian Zoroastrianism does not make up 25 % of Kurds today. Of the 40 million Kurds only between 3-4 percent are Yezidi (about 2-3 million). These manly live in and around Lalesh, in South Kurdistan and around Ararat and Agrî in North Kurdistan - but generally they reside in the Kurdish heartland - between Amed (Diyarbakir) and Ormiye lake and southwards to Qesrê Shîrîn...

It is however right about that many places in Kurdistan people want to recover their ancient religion - but that is Yezidi faith - not Zerdushtî... Zerdushtî is profound Persian faith... And the Yezidi themselves do not see themselves as ascendants of Zerdeshtî - as their faith in most cases collides with the Monolithic thinking in Zerdeshtî... ¨

Kurds are 70 % Sunni Muslim, 7 % Christian and Jews and the remaining (23 %) are keepers of YARSANISM ("CULT OF ANGELS") - Yarsanism has three branches: Alevism, Ehlê Heq and Yezidi... Most of the 23 % belong to the Alevi branch and secondly to the Yezidi branch... The Ehlê Heq branch has most of it's believers in East Kurdistan (Iranian Kurdistan) in the town of Hewreman, Ilam and Kermanshah...

Yezidi religious gathering - honouring Tawus Melek with divine music:




The Yarsan believe in re-incarnation. Today Alevis often see themselves as Muslim - but this is mostly because of the prosecution they have suffered. Because their faith colides in many ways with Islam - for exampel they have saints which is forbidden in Islam, etc.

The Yêzîdî believe in Tawus Melek (Peackock Angel) which has been "given" ALL power by God... They also believe in the Seven Arch Angels. One for each side of life...

The Ehlê Heq is like the "sufi" version of yarsanism... They have a special tradition for prayer and for reaching exodus and oneness with the Great Spirit.


Another correction to the article - The Yezidi turn to the sun THREE times a day to pray... The sun and fire are like in Zerdeshtî, holy...







The word "Kheda" "Xuda" is a Kurdish Yezidi word for God and means "self given" - meaning God was created by God self...

Their book is: Meshaf means "skin" (if I am not mistaking) - e.g the words were written on skins... I think they used sheep skin for the first book...

[Mosul]

Frist most, Alevis are MUSLIMS, ask kassem. if you consider yourself a muslim then you are a muslim period. alevis are part of the shia sect of islam, they are a orthodox. if you still dont belive me then, i will show you 1000000 sources.

"Kurds are 70 % Sunni Muslim, 7 % Christian and Jews and the remaining (23 %) are keepers of YARSANISM ("CULT OF ANGELS") - Yarsanism has three branches: Alevism, Ehlê Heq and Yezidi... Most of the 23 % belong to the Alevi branch and secondly to the Yezidi branch... The Ehlê Heq branch has most of it's believers in East Kurdistan (Iranian Kurdistan) in the town of Hewreman, Ilam and Kermanshah... "

that is the biggest bullshi*t i have ever seen in this forum, about 95 percent of kurds are muslims, 80% belong to the Sunni sect, and 15 percent belong to other islamic sects (alevi shyias,fayli shyias shabek shyias, sufis) the remaing of the 5 percent is split among yezdis,christians,jews,and atheists.



Xudi is the kurdish word for God, all kurds use it, its is a very common word in the kurdish vocabulary, it is not a yezdi word. does this make you feel better about yourself diri when you give false information?

[Dilsad]

Well Mosul,

I guess the thousands of Alevis that lived in my city lied to me!
Again, they were all from Maras, Sivas, and some from Dersim...

Kassem, were are you from?

DilSaD!

[Diri]

This is a discussion forum - we must be able to say our oppinions without people swearing about it...

And to get to the point: Many Alevis have been forced to accept Islam - they then claim they are a branch of shia-islam... why? Becuase they ALREADY before they were forced, they believed Imam Ali was a great prophet... So they naturally came to b known as a branch of Shia Islam - because Sunni muslims don't put any real importance on Imam Ali...


And the reason they have been forced assimilated and prosecuted is that Turkey has had a war with Shia islam in the Ottoman period - and The "kizil bashi" were both viewed as infidels and at times as Shia muslim...

The three K's that Turkey has in it's constitution as NATIONAL threats are: "Kizilbash" "Kürt" and "Kommunist"...

These are all related to eachother... Most Alevis are Kurds - there are Turkish too yes - but that is because they are assimilated Kurds - and the Kurdish "national" movement in Turkey has been a communist movement... Not really a Kurdish movement...

[Dilsad]

Hi Diri,

without going into much detail, I do have a problem with your statment:

and the Kurdish "national" movement in Turkey has been a communist movement... Not really a Kurdish movement...

Why would you say such things? And what facts can back it?

DilSAD!

[Diri]

Hey Dilshad -


I am merely making an oppinion... It is my oppinion - I have my proof - but nothing concrete that can be displayed other than PKK... Which was the "Movment" I was reffering to... I was however not saying that Kurds in North Kurdistan are radical communist followers - I am saying that the ideology which PKK is persuing is a communist one... Now you might say that it isn't - but just look at the new idea Abdullah Öcalan had -"Confederalism"... A structure in true communist spirit... But it cannot carry the weight of the consequences... As is with all forms of ideology...

In MY oppinion...

If you still are having problems with it (thinking I am attacking people for their believes) then tell me so I can make clear that I not only resent THÈ ideology - but ALL ideologies...

[Mosul]

the alevis in turkey are half turks and half kurdish, it is a shyia islam sect, even kassem said hes muslim on here. And no they were never forced, islam was never forced on anybody, it is clearly stated in Surah Al-Baqarah, "there is no compultion in religon". cmon diri, they turkish alevites are turkish, you just want to say that, becuase it ruins your whole argument.

[Mosul]

correction in my spelling diri

you dont want to say there real turks becuase it ruins your whole argument.

[ellinas]

SOME NOTES:

Why Kurdistan need an Official Religion?

- As start to be Freedom need the same religion so anyone can be same into kurdistan and be united. After freedom of kurdistan then anyone can be everything he want. As well my option for an Official religion is the Muslim (Islam).

Religion of Kurdistan by History. Kurdistan by my Edu is the "Mesopotamia",
mesopotamia is greek word and mean "middle of the rivers".
By edu here, we do no find kurdistan in very ancient as kurdistan, but we find as Mesopotamia, who is the real Kurdistan. What Happen? The last signal is between the years of Byzantium. by places of mesopotamia and that east live many nations groups with them gods. the most united and as country is the mesopotamia (kurdistan) who be under arabs and most of them religions delete and turn to muslims under barbarians arabs (at that time). Then come the Mongols Turks to area and kill many people there cuz mesopotamia is a civilization nation. But that civilization we not know as mongol turks destroy them.

About Turk-Kurdish.
This is a big chapter. As well after wars and rapes there are turk-kurdish. or like turks take babies by greece-kurdistan and other countries. they take from them mothers and make them soldiers by little years so that kids not know who are. but only they war them lands as be mem without they know it. look for Genitsarous" dunno in english the same word.

What is a turk-kurdish? I think is TURK cuz he will never help kurdistan.
the comments yours. All that who i listen about turk-kursish or greek-turk is all fake and lies. turks with that want to broke a nation to more small pies as they want to control it. You must not believe in everything you hear or see.



Happy Kurdistan.


A last question to all of you out there:

Kurdistan a nation from ancient years with so big civilization (but i am sad that we not know it)...run out of mind and think. What the religion of Kurdish nation? Islam as religion founded before 1.500 years. and kurdistan have history for 8.000 years or more. and the kurdistan have lost the signal as country be last 1.000 years. The comments yours.


This is a historical documents and that who we must think. Is good we look any side and NOT the sides only we like.

[Diri]

Ellinas - My comment about the Yezidi - That is the "real" and first religion Kurds had... But when Islam came Kurds converted to Islam in 700-800 BC... So Kurds were the last nation to become Muslim as a whole...

But just read about the Yezidi and other two branches of Yarsanism - Ehlê Heq and Alevism...

Alevism is a mix of Yezidi faith and Shia Islam - so it is not pure Islamic...

[ellinas]

interesting. just i need to read it. i just place my side to this forum as best i can for kurdistan. and i will not tell things that we like it or not. but what i see arround cuz i believe is better we know what happen arround us.

thx for your posts. i will search in a minute.