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Re: My thoughts of the day

PostAuthor: Feyli_kord » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:40 pm

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I literally am only from the middle-east and nowhere else.


Lol. so surprising.

I wonder why so many Kurds are greedy to have they DNA analysis as if they want to prove that they are from Middle East and not from China or Congo… Who could doubt of that ?



We're a new generation of kurds and we like to explore our heritage. Both genetical and in other aspects. It's not some eagerness to prove purity, and genetics are more complicated than you think. There are certain lineages, stemmed purely from middle-east, other mutations are in europe, others are derivatives from. Humans are all mixed up naturally and share lineages, todays ethnic categories are very recent within the past 1000 years and less.

In my case, my oldest indentifiable heritages, passed on by my paternal and maternal line, are both from middle-eastern groups. There are kurds with mutations from caucasus/europe/india/middle-east/mediterranean. My case is odd, because the mutations i descend from are exclusively middle-eastern and cannot be found in europe, india, africa or anywhere else.

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Re: My thoughts of the day

PostAuthor: Piling » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:21 pm

I know the benefits of DNA and genetic analysis for the history of demography and migrations. If some people like you have specific ancient local mutations it shows informations about the history of your parents' region (if they are from the same place) : no much foreigners' interference, far from roads and melting pot populations, quite strictly endogamic marriages.

Such isolated places like Dersim or Hawraman (for example) could have such genetic results, or social/religion endogamy (like Jews). Concerning your own historical background (place/family-tribe) it can give clues. For example : all DNA tests which have similar results could be compared with non feyli Kurds in the neighborhood and with other feylis. These typology can belong to a religious group of a geographical area.

But for a personal self identity I am not sure it means anything. A Kurd in 2013 is a Kurd, whatever his ancestral lineage could be : 2000 B.C there was no 'Kurdish people' and in 4013 A.D probably no Kurds anymore (as Europe, Middle East is an unstable area, not like China or Japan).
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Re: My thoughts of the day

PostAuthor: Feyli_kord » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:46 pm

Piling wrote:I know the benefits of DNA and genetic analysis for the history of demography and migrations. If some people like you have specific ancient local mutations it shows informations about the history of your parents' region (if they are from the same place) : no much foreigners' interference, far from roads and melting pot populations, quite strictly endogamic marriages.

The markers only tell of ancient haplogroups(related mutations that are inherited together). The latest defining mutations are from 15000-8000 years ago. And it's only one small bit of your entire genome. What makes them interesting is the fact that the mutations can be given approxomite dates of their coalsence time, and then cross referenced to pre-historic and historic groups. But when you look at other tests and other parts of the DNA, kurds and overwhelming majority of people, are anything but endogamous. Rather they're a mixture of different ancestral groups inbreeding with each other over time. There are no people in the world who descend only from one pure group, perhaps amazonian indians and some isolated bantu groups.

Piling wrote:Such isolated places like Dersim or Hawraman (for example) could have such genetic results, or social/religion endogamy (like Jews). Concerning your own historical background (place/family-tribe) it can give clues. For example : all DNA tests which have similar results could be compared with non feyli Kurds in the neighborhood and with other feylis. These typology can belong to a religious group of a geographical area.

Some genetic studies do that. It's a shame that the middle-east is understudied in that regard. Most studies are from north-america and europe, and usually uniform in their results.

Piling wrote:But for a personal self identity I am not sure it means anything. A Kurd in 2013 is a Kurd, whatever his ancestral lineage could be : 2000 B.C there was no 'Kurdish people' and in 4013 A.D probably no Kurds anymore (as Europe, Middle East is an unstable area, not like China or Japan).

Obviously Kurd is mostly a social identity, not a neccesarily biological one. Even if you can isolate kurds from other groups genetically, no one obviously demands a genetic test to prove your belonging. I don't think i've ever seen anyone argue identity based purely on genetics, perhaps KKK or nazi scientists with their primitive understanding of it(who'd be embarrased about the truth). But obviously genetics plays a broader role, F.ex physical appearance. Whether you look African, European, Middle-eastern, East-asian, native american, south-asian and so on. That stuff matters.

Assuming humans survive to 4013 and progress technologically, I highly doubt ethnicity/race will be an important categorey. There will probably be entirely different categories for social identity. Who knows, maybe there will be synthetic species of cyborgs and maybe future humans discover extra terrestrial. Human technology will render todays society useless.

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Re: My thoughts of the day

PostAuthor: Feyli_kord » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:45 pm

Cooked my first meal today.

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Re: My thoughts of the day

PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:54 pm

Feyli_kord wrote:Cooked my first meal today.

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Re: My thoughts of the day

PostAuthor: Piling » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:07 pm

Cooked my first meal today.


Pictures ? :smile:
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Re: My thoughts of the day

PostAuthor: Feyli_kord » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:19 pm

Piling wrote:
Cooked my first meal today.


Pictures ? :smile:


Ahaha, no pictures. the kitchen was a real mess(lots of onion peels). It was curry dish with lots of ingredients and seasoning. The taste was decent for an amateur, although too hot, added too much chili and ginger and forgot to stirr at the end.

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Re: My thoughts of the day

PostAuthor: Piling » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:05 pm

(lots of onion peels)


he he that's Kurdishness.

I love ginger, I drink often my coffee with ginger (powder). I like curry, cardamom and curcuma and coriander. I less like hot chili.
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Re: My thoughts of the day

PostAuthor: Feyli_kord » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:10 pm

Piling wrote:
(lots of onion peels)


he he that's Kurdishness.

I love ginger, I drink often my coffee with ginger (powder). I like curry, cardamom and curcuma and coriander. I less like hot chili.

Ginger in coffee? :shock: I love onions, especially the red sort. It's eatable to almost any dish , save for sweet ones. Middle-eastern and mediterranean food is arguably the best in the western part of eurasia.

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Re: My thoughts of the day

PostAuthor: Piling » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:29 pm

Ginger in coffee?


yeah, better than cardamom (in Istanbul coffee with cardamom is called 'oriental coffee).

It is in Middle East that I learnt to appreciate and to use spices : their flavor, their taste. Western Europe does not know to use spices. In Aleppo, the old bazar was the palace of spices (poor Aleppo…).

Onions is also a great part of French and Italian and Western Mediterranean cook. The local meal of Paris is onion soup. I put onion almost everywhere.
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Re: My thoughts of the day

PostAuthor: Feyli_kord » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:06 pm

Piling wrote:
Ginger in coffee?


yeah, better than cardamom (in Istanbul coffee with cardamom is called 'oriental coffee).

It is in Middle East that I learnt to appreciate and to use spices : their flavor, their taste. Western Europe does not know to use spices. In Aleppo, the old bazar was the palace of spices (poor Aleppo…).

Onions is also a great part of French and Italian and Western Mediterranean cook. The local meal of Paris is onion soup. I put onion almost everywhere.


I think western europeans, except for italians, are better at making desserts, pasteries, sweets and chocolates. Middle-eastern sweets are really bad in comparison. I don't like how much nuts and starch they use in them. I prefer jellyies, chocolate, buns and creams. And yes.. onions are great, i don't eat alot of vegtables. Onions however are essential to every meal.

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Re: My thoughts of the day

PostAuthor: Feyli_kord » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:34 am

Today i'm making fried chicken.

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Re: My thoughts of the day

PostAuthor: Anthea » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:30 pm

Feyli_kord wrote:Today i'm making fried chicken.

YUM YUM =p~
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