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Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:55 pm
Author: Cewlik
Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

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SULAIMANI, Kurdistan Region – There is an old Kurdish saying that goes, “rich men either kill or marry.” But these days, many men in the Garmiyan region, whether rich or poor, are taking second wives, and many of them are turning to the Arab areas to find their new partners.

A number of sources from the area spoke on this issue to Rudaw on the condition of anonymity. The older Kurdish men justify marrying Arab women on the basis that their wives are no longer able to maintain a husband-wife relationship.

The son of one of these men, whose father has not only married an Arab woman, but also finds matches for other marriage-seeking men, said that there is no legal or social justification for their behavior.

“The real issue is that these men have money and Arab women marry them without a second thought,” he said.

It seems that these old Kurdish men can easily find these girls due to poverty in the Arab towns where many would also want to escape the security instability of their areas.

Halgurd Ali, a lawyer in Sulaimani, said that because it is not easy for men to marry a second wife in Kurdish courts, these men go to Khanaqin or Diyala.

The phenomenon of marrying Arab women has increased since the collapse of Saddam Hussein’s regime in 2003. The same year, there were a number of matchmakers in the Choman district of Erbil who found Arab women for older Kurdish men to marry.

Haji Sabeer, a resident of Sayid Sadiq near Halabja, was a government employee until July. On the day of his retirement, Haji Sabeer married a 26-years-old Arab woman from Sharaban north of Baquba.

The new wife is younger than Sabeer’s own 12 children.

Saeed, the pseudonym of a man in Garmiyan who has found a number of Arab wives for Kurdish men, told Rudaw, “I have faced many problems for finding wives for these men. Several times, I have been threatened by the family of men for whom I found wives. That is why I have stopped finding matches.”

Saeed told the story of a man from Kalar, who lived in Sweden for 20 years before returning to Kurdistan, and asked him to find an Arab girl no matter what the price because the man was “old and bald.”

“He asked for the hand of many Kurdish ladies, but no one agreed to marry him,” Saeed said. “But there were Arab ladies who would marry him.”

According to Saeed, the reason that young Arab women accept proposals from older Kurdish men is that the families in Arab areas are generally low-income and not many marriages occur among them.

“Kurdish men are willing to pay a large amount of money, and because the Arab ladies are usually the second wife, the Kurdish men pay more attention to them and respect them more. Therefore, when these women return to their hometowns, they encourage their friends to marry Kurdish men,” Saeed said.

The son of a man who married an Arab woman said that his stepmother brought a picture of one of her friends back after visiting her hometown in the hope of finding her a husband in Kurdistan.

“She is very happy here,” the man said of his stepmother. “She has been rescued from a miserable life in her hometown. That is why her friends seek a similar life here in Kurdistan.”

However, not all the marriages end happily. For example, Mahmood, a man from Sayid Sadiq, was robbed by his Arab wife. He still has hopes of finding her. She took all his money and gold.

Saeed insisted that the women he found were all reputable ladies from known families.

“The women I find are not the kind who would rob. Those who find their wives in the marketplace are the ones who get robbed,” he said.

http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurds/5211.html

Re: Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:19 pm
Author: talsor
The proverb is actually "“Give an arab money and he is either going to kill someone or marry again " :-D . Considering the amount of money it cost to marry a Kurdish girl , it is only natural to turn to the arab region and the above article apply to young kurdish men too who are close to arab region .

Old people are just old , not dead and a younger arab girl is a bonus :lol:

Re: Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:34 am
Author: jjmuneer
Disgusting. Any marriages bewteen a Kurd and non-Kurd should be immediatly ban; we should have strict racial laws implemented against this.

Re: Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:55 pm
Author: RawandKurdistani
This is freaking disgusting!

Re: Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:58 pm
Author: Cewlik
jjmuneer wrote:Disgusting. Any marriages bewteen a Kurd and non-Kurd should be immediatly ban; we should have strict racial laws implemented against this.


Not so radical. Its good because Both sides benefit from that, nobody is forced to do that, the arab women in the poor and dangerous Iraq can live in the rich and safe Kurdistan and the Kurdish men get a young and hopefully a beautiful woman. Thats why the friends from the arab women who see that, also want to marry a Kurdish man. And the children who have a Kurdish father and grow up in Kurdistan will feel themselves as Kurds, because they are Kurds.

Re: Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:52 pm
Author: hevalo27
jjmuneer wrote:Disgusting. Any marriages bewteen a Kurd and non-Kurd should be immediatly ban; we should have strict racial laws implemented against this.


why ? with a kurdish daddy their half kurdish childs will not become traitors :-D so i have no problem with mixing.

Re: Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:19 pm
Author: talsor
Kurdish suger daddy :lol:

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Re: Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:25 pm
Author: jjmuneer
Cewlik wrote:
jjmuneer wrote:Disgusting. Any marriages bewteen a Kurd and non-Kurd should be immediatly ban; we should have strict racial laws implemented against this.


Not so radical. Its good because Both sides benefit from that, nobody is forced to do that, the arab women in the poor and dangerous Iraq can live in the rich and safe Kurdistan and the Kurdish men get a young and hopefully a beautiful woman. Thats why the friends from the arab women who see that, also want to marry a Kurdish man. And the children who have a Kurdish father and grow up in Kurdistan will feel themselves as Kurds, because they are Kurds.

This is no laughing matter, nor should it be taken lightly. The Kurdish gene pool is at risk if we even show any form of tolerance to this. You may have mixed people in your family(not that I mean you specifically you Cewlik or any other members, but that is ok. Aslong you accept we shouldn't do this.) That is why I believe in 'Ethnic tribalism'.

Re: Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:32 pm
Author: Zert
jjmuneer wrote:This is no laughing matter, nor should it be taken lightly. The Kurdish gene pool is at risk if we even show any form of tolerance to this. You may have mixed people in your family(not that I mean you specifically you Cewlik or any other members, but that is ok. Aslong you accept we shouldn't do this.) That is why I believe in 'Ethnic tribalism'.


Well actually, since Kurds (and other ME peoples) have been prone to intermarriage (marriage with genetically close people, not necessarily distant family members, but people from the same region/tribe), this could make for some welcome genetic diversity in our gene pool, which could prevent congenital diseases and the likes.

That's not to say I approve of the polygamous lifestyles these men have. They should also watch out with whom they marry of course; to prevent Arab girls taking off with al their money, like in the article. Not to mention that the men will die far earlier than the girls they marry, which will cause further problems; will they take all of the inherited money back to Iraq? What with the offspring?

Re: Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:38 pm
Author: Cewlik
jjmuneer wrote:The Kurdish gene pool is at risk if we even show any form of tolerance to this.


=)) =)) =)) Funny Guy. You even are not married and you have no children and you talk about the risk of the Kurdish gene pool? First marry a Kurdish girl make many children and than you can talk about the Kurdish gene pool.

Re: Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:48 pm
Author: jjmuneer
Zert wrote:
jjmuneer wrote:This is no laughing matter, nor should it be taken lightly. The Kurdish gene pool is at risk if we even show any form of tolerance to this. You may have mixed people in your family(not that I mean you specifically you Cewlik or any other members, but that is ok. Aslong you accept we shouldn't do this.) That is why I believe in 'Ethnic tribalism'.


Well actually, since Kurds (and other ME peoples) have been prone to intermarriage (marriage with genetically close people, not necessarily distant family members, but people from the same region/tribe), this could make for some welcome genetic diversity in our gene pool, which could prevent congenital diseases and the likes.

That's not to say I approve of the polygamous lifestyles these men have. They should also watch out with whom they marry of course; to prevent Arab girls taking off with al their money, like in the article. Not to mention that the men will die far earlier than the girls they marry, which will cause further problems; will they take all of the inherited money back to Iraq? What with the offspring?

For me its a full stop matter; for me personally for the sake of culture, identity and genetics/race plays apart aswell.

Think of it from a cultural perspective Zert alone. As you say once the husband dies, or even as the article states the wife can just take the money and run off. Also think about it there will be a cultural shift considering having half Kurdishh and half Arab children. Plus think about the identity crisis they will go through. I know my views are the "most extreme" on this forum, but some of you need to understand what I understand. Though I will never change my stance on this matter, to the death I'll keep it this way. Also what about our dear Kurdish heritage and language, you would have mixed people speaking our language, something I disagree with. Its nothing against Arabs, its just I disagree with it in regards to any ethnicitiy full stop.

By the way Zert, the whole "Kurds are inbred" is just an over-exaggeration. Come on even within one particular tribe there are so many different phenotypes produced, as dis-evidence against that. Along with the so called "increases" in diseases amongst Kurds. I don't believe that is true for one minute; I doubt Kurds have higher genetically related diseases than any other peoples in the world.

I don't know whether Southern Kurdish tribes may of mixed with Arabs before, but certainly that is not the case with my clan and tribe; though I think this article is over-exaggerating the amount that is inter-marrying. Most Southern Kurds don't mix from what I have seen, and are both racially and culturally proud of keeping their blood Kurdish. I hope you don't think I'm racist, but its just a matter of ethnic-convservatism and tribalism. In my view we cannot call ourselve nationalist on one hand and encourage mixed marriages, whilst on another we talk about keeping the Kurdish culture alive.

Re: Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:51 pm
Author: jjmuneer
Cewlik wrote:
jjmuneer wrote:The Kurdish gene pool is at risk if we even show any form of tolerance to this.


=)) =)) =)) Funny Guy. You even are not married and you have no children and you talk about the risk of the Kurdish gene pool? First marry a Kurdish girl make many children and than you can talk about the Kurdish gene pool.

So you agree with mixed marriages?

I also don't see how being married has anything to do with understanding anything about Kurdish genetics. I'm not the most familar person with genetics, but (no offence) I probably know more than you about the Kurdish gene pool. So therefore I think I qualify better in talking about the Kurdish gene pool. Especially considering you haven't taken into account what you just stated, nor have you taking into account the impact that will result in.

Re: Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:03 pm
Author: Cewlik
jjmuneer wrote:I also don't see how being married has anything to do with understanding anything about Kurdish genetics.


#-o #-o #-o

You say that you see the Kurdish gene pool in risk, so be a good example for Kurds, marry a Kurdish girls and make many pure Kurdish children, or stop to talk bullshit.

Re: Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:14 pm
Author: jjmuneer
Cewlik wrote:
jjmuneer wrote:I also don't see how being married has anything to do with understanding anything about Kurdish genetics.


#-o #-o #-o

You say that you see the Kurdish gene pool in risk, so be a good example for Kurds, marry a Kurdish girls and make many pure Kurdish children, or stop to talk bullshit.

What bullshit? Look if you personally insult one more time, I assure you the bullshitter will come out you. So lets not get side tracked by this non-sense.

Now firstly I'm in education, so I'm not marrying now. Clearly you lack knowledge on what marriage is, you just meet someone in one day and marry them.

Secondly my family line is Ali Shirwani 100%, I don't know about yours. Can you expand on whether or not you have a skeleton in your closet? Because from the looks of it you either are going out with a Turkish girl or another non-Kurdish girl, or are mixed yourself. Now since you jumped on the personal band wagon, I only returned the favour.

Could you also enlighten me on how its "bullshit", have I done anything hypocritical for it to be that way?

Re: Older Kurdish Men Marrying Arab Girls

PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:24 pm
Author: Cewlik
jjmuneer wrote:Could you also enlighten me on how its "bullshit", have I done anything hypocritical for it to be that way?


No I agree with you, that some Kurdish Men marry arab Women is a risk for the Kurdish gene pool, the whole Kurdish language and culture is in danger because of that. :ymsick: