Roj Bash Kurdistan

''The army should enter relationship with us. We are Turkeys guarantee in northern Iraq.''

''If it hadn't been for me kurdish nationalism would have grown, im against all kinds of nationalism''

''Sheikh Said and other Kurdish rebellions where used against the new and young turkish republic''

''The stated supressed the Kocgri rebellion very nicely, otherwise the kurdish nationalism could have spread''

''Today the kurds in the south have the Us and Israel with them, and the kurds there have the power to defend themselves this is the trap
that against Turkey''

These are not words taken out of context, they came out from ocalans mouth this is the man that is suppposed to be the leader of kurds.

Mod edit: I only removed the word jash since it's actually a Kurdish swear word. You're free to express your views on any political party/leader as long as you keep it civil. Thanks. As long as no source is provided these are the opinion of the poster and not facts.

title should be changed to one of our leaders.

purearch72 wrote:title should be changed to one of our leaders.

I know, but according to the blind servants of Apo his the leader of all kurds

Zaza_Colig wrote:

purearch72 wrote:title should be changed to one of our leaders.

I know, but according to the blind servants of Apo his the leader of all kurds

Oh I never read your quotes silly me. I agree he's not one of the top leaders in Kurdistan however he is the person who showed Kurds in Turkey that they were actually Kurds and not Turks.

No heval hes the biggest perpertraitor the kurds have ever had. he openly said himself that hes half turkish and i have nothing against turks, i used to support this son of a bastard til i found out who he really is , he sent many guerillas from my town to death on purpose because he was afraid they were gonna change the pkk and make it more nationalistic and fight for a free and united Kurdistan, instead of a democratic Turkish republic which is what they are fighting for today.

No heval hes the biggest perpertraitor the kurds have ever had. he openly said himself that hes half turkish and i have nothing against turks, i used to support this son of a bastard til i found out who he really is , he sent many guerillas from my town to death on purpose because he was afraid they were gonna change the pkk and make it more nationalistic and fight for a free and united Kurdistan, instead of a democratic Turkish republic which is what they are fighting for today.

About Ocalan

purearch72 wrote: ...he is the person who showed Kurds in Turkey that they were actually Kurds and not Turks.

I think that says it all

In my mind actions speak louder than words

I have had Kurdish friends for many years and Ocalan is the person who changed them and woke them up.

He installed in Kurds an awareness and pride that was not there before.

He encouraged people to become educated.

He gave women equality and self respect.

I probably know more about the way the PKK started than most of you.

I have seen the change with my own eyes, among people I have known for years.

I will have NOTHING said against OCALAN

You say it your self that Ocalan woke up the kurds, that proves you know nothing about the him or pkk. i used to be a blind Apo follower i watched Roj tv attented pkk organized protests, unfortunantely read one of his stupid books i will never forgive my self for that. I supported the Pkk for years and what did it give me ?? a big zero , i lost my touch on kurdishness, and everyting that has to do with the kurdish cause.

I know many kurds who are ocalan and pkk supporters and trust me even thou many of them seems like many of them have knowledge of the party they dont know shit,, they just support the Pkk because it's the biggest party .

We had many great leaders before Ocalan (who havent done anything for kurds) entered the scene for example Mazlum dogn, Hayri durmus, said Elci, Said Kirmizitoprak, many great leaders who actually did somthing for the kurds, mazlum dogan set him self on fore to protest the turkish state, Hayri durmus who died in a hunger strike, and Said Kirmizitoprak who was the first kurd n turkey who spoke about kurdish independence and equality and self respect.

To be honest there are so many ways i can prove to you that Ocalan is the centurys biggest jash but i dont have time or energy to do that, as a fellow kurd
I recommend you to do some research about this man , and see for your self what kind of man he really is. Peace

@ Zaza_Colig

1) I am not a Kurd

2) I do not follow blindly

3)

Zaza_Colig wrote:You say it your self that Ocalan woke up the kurds, that proves you know nothing about the him or pkk

I might know a great deal about Ocalan possibly much more than you do

4) I know what I saw with my own eyes

5) You should tell us what made you turn against Ocalan

Anthea wrote:@ Zaza_Colig

1) I am not a Kurd

2) I do not follow blindly

3)

Zaza_Colig wrote:You say it your self that Ocalan woke up the kurds, that proves you know nothing about the him or pkk

I might know a great deal about Ocalan possibly much more than you do

4) I know what I saw with my own eyes

5) You should tell us what made you turn against Ocalan

I stopped supporting him after i found the truth about him and all the bad things he did to the kurds. He sent a friend of my father to death an ex commander of he pkk named Ibrahim Incedursun, he was killed by the turkish soldiers in a coordinated attack from the pkk and the turkish millitary, he was later called a ''martyr'' (typical right). this is just one person think about the thousands of young kurdish guerillas who where killed by Apo and his commanders. Like I said do some research and you will find the truth about this jash(traitor)

I challenge you zaza_colig. Bring in the quotes, where you have them from and the whole context from where they were expelled. Also when he said it and in what occassion. I can guarantee for a fact that Ocalan never said these things in his books as I have read a big portion of them. Whether he has said it as a defense in court, I can not know. But bring in the sources. Let us discuss them.

Ocalan, in my eyes, is the greatest political leader of Kurds. Not only is he the most intellectual one and the one who has very depth political analysis skills, but he is also the one who has inspired most Kurds around the world. You will not and can not find a Kurdish leader that has inspired as many as Ocalan has.

You are calling on people to do some research, while you yourself bring up bold statements without any source or reliability. A shame. A very big shame. The likes of you are everywhere. I shouldnt be wasting my time with you, but i am going to do it anyways just to prove once and for all how silly Apo haters are.

And dont use the '' I was a victim card, my friend was a victim card'' thats so lame haha.