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Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:01 pm
Author: allina
Hi, everyone! :) :) :)
I am interesting about Kurdish traditions of the wedding. There are many Kurdish people of diferent religion, but maybe they have something common in the celebration of wedding?
I've never been to Kurdish wedding. I am married with Kurdish man, but we get married in Ukraine.
Kurdish muslims celebrate wedding like the muslims from another countries or they also have something from ezidi?
I saw only video with beautiful music,dancing.But about traditional Kurdish wedding i dont know to much.

Re: Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:10 pm
Author: Barış
Sorry I can't assist you, but could you post that 'video with beautiful music...'?

Re: Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:14 pm
Author: allina
On the Russian site i found only about Ezidi weddings. :D
Khazgini – the ceremonies before wedding day.
Into the girl’s parental house to the bride-shows come, as a rule, 3 or 4 people, these are people of ripe age, among them there can be both the women and the men.On the first day to the bride-shows the future fiance doesn’t go. Guests tell masters the reason of their visit after this owner let them pass inside. During the conversation, if parents consider that their daughter is not ready for family life, they can politely refuse to guests. To see the girl guests ask her parents to give them some water. So the girl brings them the glass of water, showing herself to guests.They drink water slowly (she doesn’t have the right to leave, until guest returns empty glass), at this moment guests examine her. After those, if girl was pleased, guests specify the date of their following visit, but this time with the fellow in order to introduce him to the girl and her parents. After the acquaintance of young people, if potential fiance expresses the desire to be married the girl, the parents of fellow request the hand of girl. After certain time, the parents of bride give the answer (soz) to the boy family. It depends much of the girl decision.
If the answer is positive, parents from both sides are preparying to the next ceremony. In the same day, when the girl’s family gives the answer, the boy put on the ring on the girl’s finger, so-called гостиле hарекерене.
The day of engagement (roja shirani u nishani - рожа ширани у нишани).
The engagement is celebrated in the bride’s house with music, dancing… The fiance’s family makes gifts to the bride’s relatives. After the ceremony of the presentation of gifts on the girl’s head is put on so called “shara buke” i.e. shawl of bride, it must be in the colors, which symbolize ezidizm: white, red and yellow. There are another 2 rings, that must be put on to the bride’s finger : the main ring of engagement (гостиле нишани - gostile [u]nishani[/u]), that means that it is officially betrothed;the third ring (gostile riya vakerene - гостиле рия вакерене), meaning that the fiance has the right to come anytime into the house of his bride. It is possible to give this last ring later, in the week or month, and it can be replaced for the gold bracelet, the chain, the coulomb, the gold hours, etc. After entire ceremony, the parents of bride negotiate with the parents of fiance about the ransom (kalan), and “se khalate buke” - three things to bride. It means that to the wedding day the fiance is obligated to bring the things that the relatives of bride required into the gift. In essence as gifts can be such things as gold watches for one of the parent, sheath or dublenka for sister or brother of bride, the wedding dress for the bride etc.

Wedding day (Davat).
Wedding itself begins from the early morning in the house in fiance, where musicians come. To the wedding invite all relatives, the neighbors and close familiar families. Approximately to noon, the closest relatives of fiance goes to the bride, who at this time is in the parental house. With the arrival to the bride house, on the street, for guests awaits small table that covered with food. Under the sounds of music the guests coming toward the masters of house, men - toward the small table,where begins to celebrate this beautiful day, with food and drink from it. At this time woman dance, holding in the hands gifts for the bride. Gifts are located on the large round trays (seni), the number of trays reaches not less than 5 pieces, they are wrapped up by transparent foil and they are bound by many-colored ribbons. Trays (seni) on the wedding are considered required. At these trays lie such gifts as champagne, expensive wines, diverse fruits, the heap of different candies, and the certainly most main wedding dress. Dancing under the music, the close relatives of bride are obligated to accept these gifts, and in replacements to present something to the fiancé family by themselves. Before entering the house, for getting the bride, guests together dance traditional and favored by ezidies the dance “govand”. After this all guests come inside the house, where with warm words show all the gifts that brought for the bride and for her relatives. And the side of bride also gives gift to the future husband. Usually it is wedding ring, that puts on the bride to the fiance finger. Earlier to fiance gave other gifts, in essence these were expensive suit with the trousers (shal kostum - шал-костум). Next the parents of bride show to guests (dzheez) – everything that bride takes to the husband’s house. It can be anything useful for the future life of newly-weds (from plates, washing machines, refrigerator and television set, concluding by room furniture). But the most necessary are bedclothes of bride (nevine buke), into which enters blanket, mattresses, and main thing - the pillow.
Besides the wedding dress, which bring the relatives of fiance, there is silk shawl (KHELI – ХЭЛИ), almost the same with “shara nishini”, that must be red color. Of (kheli), must be 2 pieces : 1 that brought fiancé and 2 from the bride’s home. These 2 shawls bind together and throw on to the head of bride. Like this the bride must be till the end of wedding.
After this all people sit down for the table to celebrate. In the guests stay not more than 2-3 hours. Before leaving parental house, are produced 2 rites. The 1 rite : the brother of bride 3 times tie and untie the band around the waist of bride. Each of the units implies that 1 time - good thought it conceives, 2 times - conceive good intention, and 3 times - conceive the good matter.
The second rite “balgie buke балгие буке - ”, the pillow of bride. Fiance is obligated to buy pillow from the relatives of bride, by the price that they want, and only after this fiance can leave the house with the bride. After someone from relatives (without having value from whose side) 3 times tap fiance the head, telling the words “Syar balgiki cal u pirben” – “ to grow old to you on one pillow”. Only now fiance and bride under the sounds of the national musical tools leave bride’s house and come to the fiancé house.
Before come into the fiancé house, above head of fiance and bride, mother-in-law from the tray (seni) drop sweetness. Further on the rite, fiance must rise to the small height (balcony, the second floor of apartment house, verandah, etc) and throw into the bride apple in order to fall by it on the head. This tradition very ancient, and relates to the cults of aries in ancient Iran. Apple - this first of all the symbol of fertility, in this case, the parting words to the multiplication symbolizes. On the old traditions they threw two apples, which had to break against the head of bride, since woman will bring children. A good sign in this case was counted when apple flies away to many small parts, this indicated to large posterity. After fiance throws apple to bride on the head, he returns to the bride and above them relatives shake “the tree of happiness” (dara mraza). Tree is appointed by fruits, apples, candies, money notes, etc To make this tree can only single young boys and girls. Is categorically forbidden to touch the tree to widows, to widowers, to divorced people.


Legent about tree of happyness.
According to ancient Ezidies mythology, World mountain “Jara or Khukarya - "Хара или Хукарья" was placed in the center of the world and it was considered as the main top in the ridge Kharayti. The mountain peak was the home of the gods "Гаронмана - garonmana”. From the World mountain flowed two rivers (Tigris Efrat in Mesopotamia), which surrounded land. In the foot of mountain - huge lake, where in source grows world tree, “Dar”. According to legend, on this tree, which grows among the lake and guarded animals, are seeds of all plants. On “the tree of all seeds” is located home of “the tsar bird or paradisiacal bird”. Tsar bird, or paradisiacal bird scatters seeds from the tree, breaking its thousands of branches. Another bird, on the back of which God placed pearl, carries seeds to the source, from which goes raining star, it returns seeds to the earth with the rain. Specifically, the means of paradisiacal bird was represented in the form the birds of peacock, which is reflected from Malak Tavuz in the ezidi dogma. So in Kurdish weddings this tree - the symbol of world tree – the home of “the tsar of birds, or paradisiacal bird”.
After all rites, fiance and the bride come into the house, still several rites remain besides all rites mentioned above.
Going into the house to fiance and bride, is placed on the arms lavash - bread, which indicates welfare, prosperity in the family. Bread must be on their arms for a while.
Before the threshold of the house, fiance and bride in same time must by foot break plate. If plate first breaks the fiance, first of children in the family will be born boy, if first breaks bride – the first-born will be girl. After braking the plate, unmarried girls and boys can take the pieces of plate, before the sleepping place them under the pillow, on the popular belief on this night, if by them it is judged to leave marry or to be married in this year, their bride or fiance will come to their dreams this night.
On the custom, guests will not seat apart for the table, until all the guests and parents of bride arrive in the fiance house. As a rule, the relative of fiance bring bride’s parents to fiancé home. After the arrival of guests into the place assigned, all, under the music, enter into the accomodation. As a rule, guests seat on their places, women and men separately. During the celebration, chused the toast-master of wedding, who is obligated to follow the motion of wedding.
Giving of HENNA. This custom very ancient and its not only Kurdish. Henna brings happiness and personifies the happy future of newly-weds. Close relative of fiancé (woman) brings Henna in the house of fiance in the small flange on the tray, it is can’t be widow or divorced woman. She gives small flange of henna to each of guests. Guest must dip in it little finger, and in this case leave on the tray the small sum of money to girl, who gives henna.
During the wedding is accomplished the serious rites of wedding, which must complete sheik. Feast in its this ritual cannot replace. This rite as wedding in the Christians, can be completed, also, in year, and through several years.
After wedding, bride awaits so called “bukti”, which directs and is established her “place” in the family. To [bukti] implies that the daughter-in-law does not have the right to talk with the father-in-law and with the people of elderly age, in essence with the men. To [bukti], this first of all, the manner of the behavior, where modesty and expression of respect is greeted by that surrounding. In the course of time, of course, the daughter-in-law acquires the right to have a talk with her father-in-law, in this case, father-in-law make some present to daughter-in-law, with the request to talk with him, girl was obligated to accept gift, and to certainly verbally thank for the gift, these are the first words, said by daughter-in-law to father-in-law.

Re: Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:19 pm
Author: allina
Barış wrote:Sorry I can't assist you, but could you post that 'video with beautiful music...'?

If i could, i did it long time before. But i saw it from the tape and its not my. :(

Re: Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:27 pm
Author: Barış
No big deal. Have you heard of http://ezdixan.com/ ? It has good selection of Kurdî music.

Re: Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:34 pm
Author: allina
Barış wrote:No big deal. Have you heard of http://ezdixan.com/ ? It has good selection of Kurdî music.

Thank you. Yeas, i know it is realy good. :D

Re: Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:27 pm
Author: Diri
Hello Allina :)


The traditions etc. of a wedding do not rely on which religion a person has, dear...

In fact some Muslims don't have any similarities in their wedding celebrations (from Morocco to Malaysia - of course there are MANY different ways to celebrate a wedding) - except for the legal islamic seal - which the imam/mullah fortifies...


Kurds in general have the same structure for their weddings... As the one you listed:

Dest Nîşan or Deste Ser = Word (they give eachother their word - that they will be engaged - usually the groom gives the bride a gift - like a ring, a gold-set or sometimes just a beautiful shall/scarf etc.)

Nîşanî = The engagement - rings are put on both groom and bride

Şewa Xenê = Henna Night - at the bride's home - guests from the grooms family stay the night - they celebrate and prepare the bride... Color her hands with henna and there are special songs/dances for this procession...

Dawet = The wedding day - the groom's family bring the bride home with them (day after Şewa Xenê) Here the bride and groom are sat down together - and the dancing and music begin - there is a "pause" for dinner... And then up and again - they party and dance and sing...

Before the day is over - there is the Mahr (usually wedding evening) = religious marriage - for Muslim Kurds... The imam/mullah "legally" marries the couple

These are the main traits of a Kurdish wedding! There are local varieties for every region...

Som places, when the bride and groom into their new house - they both dip their finger in honey and then let the other one suck it off - and then they dip their finger into the honey again and both of them touch the door's upper panel...

Also - usually in Kurdish weddings -----> where the bride and groom sit, there is a table in front of them: with a mirror in front of them - sweets and honey... They also pour sweets and chocolate (foiled) on the heads of the bride and groom: so that their union will be sweet... :)

Re: Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:19 pm
Author: allina
Zor spas, bira Diri.
=D>
Parents of my husbond want make wedding and in Kurdistan too. I think its grate. But at first i must become Muslim. And i think any marriage is full when it is with religion's rulles. Not only with stamp in pasport, like most of the people from my country think.

Kateky khosh bo to

Re: Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:57 am
Author: Diri
You are welcome dear... :)

Re: Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:27 am
Author: raman82
somebody post some pix from some family wedding (kurdish) im curious to see a kurdish wedding.

Re: Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:17 pm
Author: Diri
raman82 wrote:somebody post some pix from some family wedding (kurdish) im curious to see a kurdish wedding.



Check out the "BEAUTIFUL KURDISTAN" thread - there are loads and loads of pictures there... And some have posted photos from weddings! :wink:

Re: Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:39 am
Author: Aram_Kurd
There are a lot of Kurdish wedding videos with beautiful music on this site: http://clip-catalog.com/videos. You can also find on the site weddings of Kurdish Jews in Israel.

Re: Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:39 pm
Author: Xoshewist
Lots of dancing in kurdish weddings, or should i say ONLY dancing?? :| haha but very fun though :D

Re: Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:11 am
Author: Kitchi_Slemani
Hello everyone, choni? :)

I am Kurdish, but I wasn't born in Kurdistan. I want to have a Kurdish henna ceremony for my wedding, with traditional henna designs. Can anyone please tell me what the traditions are, or where I can find this?

Zor supas!

Re: Kurdish wedding

PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:46 am
Author: Piling
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