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Hello friends
What sad news I heard today from a friend of mine who was in Al-Hassaka city yesterday morning.
Yesterday in al-Hassaka governorate which is far from Qamishlo about 100 kilometers, a Christain brutally killed his sister and her kurdish husband immediately after they got off the bus near Al-Hassaka-Qamishlo garage. The husband is from Qamishlo and he is a kurdish and his wife is from Al-Hassaka and she is a Christian.They got married, as I heard , two years ago .. I don't know if they had children or not .Their funeral was in Qamishlo yesterday and it was unusual funeral. People put them in a vehicle with about 300 cars driving after them and those who were with them in the vehicle were hailing, cheering and ululating as if they were in a bride and groom car
Some people say that the reason is because she converted to Islam.Others say it's a honor killing but the majority say that it's because she married a kurdish ..The reason behind this crime is one of these but which one exactly I am not sure.

What a sad story!!! This is sectarian rather than honour. In the past some elements of disrepute have tried to create problems between Kurds and Christians in Syria. But the vigilance of good people between both sides have prevented the problem to escalate.

omg that is bad.. makes me really sad

what ever the reason.. you dont kill!!

Religious nationalism. Do you have any sources?

Vladimir wrote:Religious nationalism. Do you have any sources?

Welcome back , kak Vladimir. I don't want to write everything people say cause I don't want to be a part of any sedition.

What source do you want me to provide you with ? I live in Qamishlo and I know well what is going here... I knew who are the victims and where did they live. I knew that some poeple who were around took pictures of the victims.
As I mentioned before I'm not sure what was the reason behind the crime.
Since she got married to a Muslim kurd without her family approval and fled with him to unknown place, people guess that it's might be honor killing.... Some say It might be racism and other say it might be religious extremism since she converted to Islam after marriage.

Vladimir wrote:Religious nationalism. Do you have any sources?

Here is a source in Arabic:

http://peyamner.com/details.aspx?l=2&id=96884

International - a grisly murder in Hasakah killed a young Christian woman and a young Kurdish (Muslim)
قال بيان للجنة الدفاع عن حقوق الإنسان والحريات العامة في سوريا انه في الساعة الواحدة من ظهر يوم الثلاثاء 2 / 11 / 2008 شهد كراج انطلاق الحسكةً، جريمة قتل مروعة، ذهب ضحيتها زوجين من ديانتين مختلفتين، A statement by the Committee for the Defense of Human Rights and Public Freedoms in Syria that one hour of noon on Tuesday 11-2 / garage in 2008 saw the start of Hassake, a grisly murder, claimed the lives of couples of different religions,
الزوج ويدعى عبدالله سليمان سيد قدري من أهالي مدينة القامشلي وهو كردي ( مسلم )، والزوجة التي أسمت نفسها ( نور )، وهي حامل في الشهر الخامس ومن أهالي منطقة المالكية ( الحسكة )، ويسكنان في القامشلي ( حي السياحي ). Husband, Abdullah Sulaiman Syed Kadri residents of the city of Qamishli, a Kurd (Muslim) and a wife who named themselves (Nur), a holder of the fifth month in the local community Maalikis (Hasakah), and lived in Qamishli (tourist district).
وفي تفاصيل الجريمة، الزوجين كانا متوجهين من كراج القامشلي إلى كراج الحسكة بواسطة ( بولمانات )، القامشلي – الحسكة، من أجل إتمام بعض الأوراق والمعاملات المتعلقة بالسفر، حيث أقدم أهل الفتاة بإطلاق الرصاص القاتل عليهما في كراج الحسكة، فارقا على أثره الحياة، بعد أن أصيب الزوج في ( منطقة الرقبة ) والزوجة في ( منطقة الرأس ). In the details of the crime, the couple were heading from garage to garage Qamishli and Hasakah by (Boulmanat), Qamishli - Hasakah, in order to complete some papers and travel-related transactions, where people of the oldest girl shot by the killer in the garage Hasakah, a difference on the impact of life after The husband was in (the neck) and wife (the head).
ويذكر أن الفتاة ( نور )، تزوجت رسمياً من الشاب عبدالله بدون موافقة أهلها بعد هربها معه بإرادتها واعتناقها الدين الإسلامي دون أي ضغط أو إكراه من أحد، وفق ما توصل إليه الوساطة التي قام بها بعض رجال الدين الإسلامي والمسيحي بغية التوصل للمصالحة بين العائلتين. The girl (Nur), officially married without the consent of the young Abdullah after escaping with her family and willingly embrace the Islamic religion without any pressure or coercion from anyone, according to the findings of the mediation by some Muslim clerics and Christian in order to reach reconciliation between the two families.
وقد علمنا أيضاً، أنه فعلاً جرى حديث بين العائلتين عن المصالحة، ورغم ذلك حدثت هذه الجريمة البشعة التي أودت بحياة شخصين هما في عمر الورد لمجرد أنهما أحبا بعضهما ومارسا حريتهما الشخصية في الزواج والمعتقد. We have also learned that, indeed was a conversation between the two families of reconciliation, although there has been such a horrible crime which claimed the lives of two people at the age of roses just because they fell in love and the exercise of personal freedom and belief in marriage.
وادانت المنظمة الكردية للدفاع عن حقوق الإنسان والحريات العامة في سوريا ، هذه العملية وجاء في بيان اصدرته المنظمة: في الوقت الذي ندين فيه هذه الجريمة اللاإنسانية والبشعة جداً، فإننا نبدي مشاعر الحزن والأسى العميقين على إزهاق روح الضحيتين عبدالله ونور، الناجمة عن التقاليد والعادات الاجتماعية الموروثة والعقائد الدينية المتخلفة، ونطالب السلطات القضائية المسؤولة بإنزال أقسى العقوبات بحق الجناة لردعهما وردع كل من يفكر بارتكاب الجرائم المماثلة بدواعي الشرف وغسل العار؟؟!!! And condemned Kurdish organization for the defense of human rights and public freedoms in Syria, the process said in a statement issued by the Organization: We condemn this inhuman crime and very ugly, we show the feelings of deep sorrow and grief over the loss of the spirit of the victims and Nur Abdullah, resulting from traditions and social customs inherited And backward religious beliefs, and we call on the judiciary responsible down the harshest penalties against offenders to deter and discourage anyone thinking of committing similar offenses reasons of honor and honor ??!!!

Washington Post recenlty reported that a lot of 'honour killings' happen in the KRG region. No suprise that the christian culture is not much different from muslim culture in the Middle East.

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB) - Old testament

Vladimir wrote:If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB) - Old testament

What does that mean ? I guess that it's a sign of agreement about what happened

Old judaism, as islam, sentenced capital punishment (lapidation) for adultery actions but not christianism since Jesus did refuse to punish an adultery woman (John, 8, 1-11); for that reason, a such crime could not be a "religious" one for a christian. It is only a "crime of honor" as they call it. Or just a crime in fact.

these crimes happen in the societies when women have so much limitations , and they are OWNED by men .
it will happen again as long as , the women in these societies are not strong enough to shout "I am a human , I am not your property"

Are you saying it's the women's fault that they are being treated like this?

In fact, most of these crimes are encouraged or directly ordered by women also : mother-in-law, or mother, sisters, aunts, etc. It is not a war of men against women, but all a family which decide to kill one of its member.

Piling wrote:In fact, most of these crimes are encouraged or directly ordered by women also : mother-in-law, or mother, sisters, aunts, etc. It is not a war of men against women, but all a family which decide to kill one of its member.

You know guys. I have heard that their uncle is one of those who encouraged the crime. The girl was from a rich family and since her father is dead and since she has only two brothers- one is paralysis and the other is the one who commited the crime and he probably will stay in prison for a long time. So no one remained - the girl and the father are dead and the little brother is paralysis and the other in prison. So he " the uncle " take charge of everything now.