Hello to everyone

[dyaoko]

what a great Proof ,... because Kurd word is simmilar to voice of snow..then kurds are turks ! ha ha ...
it reminds me of arab's utlra nationalist "THOUGHTS" they too think Kurds are arab... there was Whores in Sudi Arabia they were Kicked out to Mountains...those whores married with JINs [some kinds of satan] then Kurds were born...
they too have a great proof for their THOUGHTS... they said Kurd means Karradada which means [was kicked out from city] in arabic,

well I am sorry but your and those utlra natioanlist arab's Thoughts are not Thoughts..they are Racist "Feelings" ofcourse you are free to feel what you want .

if Kurds are Turks or Arabs, because of that GREAT PROOF ,
Why Kurdish language has no connection with Turkish and Arabic language ?
Why Kurdish Culture, Dance , Music and Cloth is not simmilar to Turkish and Arabic?

and you claim Kurd word has no meaning ... it is not supposed that every nation's name have an EXACT meaning.... some meanings gets forgotten after thousdands of years. ..does Persian or Arab or Turk has a specific meaning ? no ...just some historian GUESS they mean something.

but anyway ....Kurd word in many sources means , Warrior , Fighter...
and Kurd word has been mentioned in very old tablets.
for sure Kurds have been in the region so mcuh older than Turks.

History tells us Turks came here just 500 years ago. Kurds were here at least 2800 years ago , or may be 5000 years ago or even more.

it is very funny that Turks claim Kurds are Turk... I feel pitty for these ultra nationalist turks they will never free their soul from these Angry Nationalist Feelings

[siradisi00]

Firstly,

If my proof is "GREAT" your proof is " GREAT" too. Do you have any proofs about kurdish history?

And if i claim that Kurds are Turk, Will I be a racist? What is racism?

Kurdish language has lots of connection with Turkish language, and Arabic language too.

If kurt word has a warrior meaning, isnt it a guess of some historians? can you prove it?

All world knows that Turks came to anatolia at least 2000 years ago, they came to found a country in 1071. And in my searches i have seen that Turks has founded a country in before of jesus 10 000 years, of which capital city is Hakkari.

If I have "GREAT PROOFS" and "THOUGHTS" You have them too, so, what is the difference ? Who will show sources of knowledge? And who can trust them?

We will see this.

[missIndependent]

welcome to the site siradisi, tho u talk lota ****

[Utopia]

kurds are a part of oguz turks, they came from central asia too, their name "kurd" word has a mean only in turkish, we cant see kurd word in india-europe languages, this word is voice of broken snow and this is a proof of their mountain life. The language difference come from their mountain life, their voices has changed in mountain echos, language won some specifications like "o" voices.

Türkçe bilenler için:

kürtler oğuz türklerinin bir parçasıdır bence, zaten orta asyadan gelmişler, hem milattan önce 10000li yıllarda türkler başkenti hakkari dolayları olan bir ülke kurmuşlardı anadoluda. Kürt sözcüğü dünyada yalnızca Türkçede bir anlama sahiptir ki bu da ezilmiş kar anlamındadır. Zaten halen doğuda karlı dağlar için oralar kürtlüktür lafı kullanılır. Bu da karın ezilmesiyle çıkan sesten kaynaklanması muhtemel bir durumdur.

Bu toplum genel anlamda dağda yaşadığından karla münasebetleri de daha fazlaydı doğal olarak, bu hayat şartları toplumun dilde yankılardan kaynaklanan o sesini doğurmuş, dilde değişimler yaşanmıştır. İsimlerini de burdan almaları da doğaldır. Dillerine farsçadan sözcükler katılması da bu bölgedeki fars egemenliği nedeniyle olsa gerek. Zaten türkler de dini araplardan değil farslardan almışlardır. "Namaz" sözcüğü farsçadır mesela.

Hepsni ingilizceye çeiremiyorum kusura bakmayın, tekrar merhaba.

Bunların yanlışlığı konusundaki fikirlerinizi dinlemeye açığım, şurası da kesin ki tarih her ne kadar tarafsız olsa da her durumda siyasete alet edilmiştir, bu acı ama gerçek bir durum. Kimin kimden olduğu neyi değiştirir bilinmez ama tartışalım bakalım, belki bir yere varırız.

please, do we have to have such crap on this discussion forum. I fail to see how wasting our time with such a moron is going to contribute to the democratic debate in this forum. democracy does not imply we have to tolerate such nonsense.

rubar, this friend's thoughts are what nationalist turks teach(thought) people to assimilate kurds but they gave up doing so beause they saw that it doesnt work...but i think sıradısı couldnt follow last one or two decades of Turkey...

by the way... rubar, you can be more respectful my friend... dont get angry so easily..everybody may not agree with you. besides these are not so new ideas arent they?we are accostumed to hear them..

[Utopia]

hem milattan önce 10000li yıllarda türkler başkenti hakkari dolayları olan bir ülke kurmuşlardı anadoluda.

turkish historical background is learned from old chinese monuments, documents etc. if you are a turk, and ever been to a history lesson(kemal kara's books especially, holy books of turks..) you had to be thought that history of turks doesnt go to 10 000 BC

[Tirigan]

If kurt word has a warrior meaning, isnt it a guess of some historians? can you prove it?

Kord is an Indo-European/Iranian word for sword (warrior). It's a fact!

100% proof

Knife, sword, spear, stake; twig, stick, loppings, branch


Indo-European

Slavic

ćorda sword /Serbo-Croatian
kord sword /Slovak

Indo-Iranian

Iranian

kareta, kareti knife /Avestan] [sk]

kard a knife /Persian [fjs]

Indo-Aryan

*kr.taka, *kartta_ra, *karta knife [sk]; kartya, krtya_ knife /Sanskrit

kr.ti knife or dagger (RV.) [sk]


http://member.melbpc.org.au/~tmajlath/slav4.html

[dyaoko]

Firstly,

If my proof is "GREAT" your proof is " GREAT" too. Do you have any proofs about kurdish history?

And if i claim that Kurds are Turk, Will I be a racist? What is racism?

Kurdish language has lots of connection with Turkish language, and Arabic language too.

If kurt word has a warrior meaning, isnt it a guess of some historians? can you prove it?

All world knows that Turks came to anatolia at least 2000 years ago, they came to found a country in 1071. And in my searches i have seen that Turks has founded a country in before of jesus 10 000 years, of which capital city is Hakkari.

If I have "GREAT PROOFS" and "THOUGHTS" You have them too, so, what is the difference ? Who will show sources of knowledge? And who can trust them?

We will see this.

my friend I didnt claim anything , and I didnt give you any proof !
I didnt call you Racist, I said saying Kurds are Turk "is a Racist Feeling"

If kurt word has a warrior meaning, isnt it a guess of some historians? can you prove it?

I DID say that Kurd word may not have a meaning...and not every nation's name should have a meaning... they may be forgotten by time.
but some say it means warriro.
and their Guess is stronger than Atagoo's [ataturk] guess.

[siradisi00]

Hmm, I havent got racist feeling i think, i only speak depending on my searches and books.

Certainly every nation name neednt to have a meaning, I only want to show the kurd- turk similarity. And how can we decide a guess is stronger or not?

And I cant see the warrior word and others in http://member.melbpc.org.au/~tmajlath/slav4.html
web site.

You can see some searches about this topic in this site:

http://www.blogcu.com/alisahin37/194227/

And I have never see 10000 bc knowledge in kemal kara, Kemal Kara's book hasnt got kurd knowledge, i have learnt it from my teacher in university. He has lots of historical research. I will put them here when i find these researches on net.

I can bring more source about this, could you share your sources with me? Maybe this site members can change my opinion, but i think you never change your opinion.

Hello again...

[Rubar]

rubar, this friend's thoughts are what nationalist turks teach(thought) people to assimilate kurds but they gave up doing so beause they saw that it doesnt work...but i think sıradısı couldnt follow last one or two decades of Turkey...

Well being through the turkish education system does not imply that you are an innocent victim. These people do not even show the decency to acknowledge our existence. Denying the existence of kurds or simply trying to portray kurds as mountain Turks is nonsense. This is not an idea, it is plain regurgitation of Turkish racist ideology. Such a person coming up and putting forward the same argument implies only two things. One he or she is a moron. Two he or she is a manipulative racist Turk that is here to play with us Kurds. I don’t know about you but I don’t think we should be giving our valuable time to such individuals. At least we should try to avoid the crudest manifestations.

by the way... rubar, you can be more respectful my friend... dont get angry so easily..everybody may not agree with you. besides these are not so new ideas arent they?we are accostumed to hear them..

I completely disagree. We should not feel the need to tolerate such people. I do not understand how you can link this person with other people that might disagree with me. I do not expect everybody to disagree with me. But this is not a usual disagreement. How can a Kurd tolerate such racist arguments? First of all, if he or she was truly sincere about engaging with this forum, than I would have expected a more respectable approach. However, I do not have a doubt that this is the usual pathetic racist turk that only aims to provoke and disrupt discussions. On the other hand, since the discussion on this forum has slowed down, may be such a provocation might be needed. However, that does not imply that I have to be tolerant.


regards

Rubar

[Tirigan]

Hmm, I havent got racist feeling i think, i only speak depending on my searches and books.

Certainly every nation name neednt to have a meaning, I only want to show the kurd- turk similarity. And how can we decide a guess is stronger or not?

And I cant see the warrior word and others in http://member.melbpc.org.au/~tmajlath/slav4.html
web site.

I don’t care what you think. You will never change the facts and reality. I’m not a Turk and you’re not a Kurd. Dream on…

[siradisi00]

rubar you should not be in this forum, you are sooo undemocratic.

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[Piling]

If Turks are Kurds, ok let's call Turkey Kurdistan. I wonder why they are so paranoids about that name, then.

By the way are you able to understand Kurdish language ? For if they were Turk oghuz you could understand them easily as you could get Asian Turkish I suppose;

Concerning Oghuz they came in Mesopotamia only in 1058 and in Anatolia only in 1071.
Unfortunately for you much muslim geographers described Kurds since 900, and notice they spoke an "ajami language."

But I wonder where you pick up these old stuffs which were very successfull during 80s and that even Turkish officials drop.