Roj Bash Kurdistan

Hi Kurds,

I'm a Kemalist Turk from Istanbul.

Just noticed this forum, and thought I join and say hi. Are Turk-nationalists welcome in here? I'm by no means a greywolf or a right-winger. I come from a staunchly secular social democrat family. or do you have to be an AKP-supporter in order to participate in here?

Contrary to majority of my countrymen, I support the Kurdish independence and total separation of Turks-Kurds. I think this is best for all of us, everyone should be able to live freely in their own country.

You can have all the SE of Turkey... I never been to that part of the county and I don't think I will ever want to visit it in near future either. So you can have it all, all I care!

BUT, and a big but that is, I want all the Kurds in Turkish cities (specially Istanbul) to be relocated (migrate-back) to free Kurdistan in the east, so they could happily live with their kurdish brothers, away from us.

Do you think this is logical? and would you support this idea of total seperation?

Hoşgeldin ironfist1923.
Anyway, I thought at first when ya said Kemalist that ya are Republican Türk (CHP). Then ya mentioned Nationalist and made me think of the MHP. Demokrat Parti? Ya somewhat confuse me on this.
Ya don't have to support or vote for any particular party to join this forum, btw.
Well, there are many Kurds in İstanbul, so I'm not quite sure if that's ''logical''.

Welcome to the site. Forceable relocation is not logical but people should be free to choose where to live or how to live. Live and let live.

Londoner wrote:Welcome to the site. Forceable relocation is not logical but people should be free to choose where to live or how to live. Live and let live.

Why? I don’t understand you.. Majority of the Kurds in Turkey live in the western part of the country in Turkish cities (Istanbul is the biggest Kurdish city in the world). If majority of you support the idea of separation and seek independence (and I think this is what you want after all) then why would you still want to live in Turkish territory? Why not your homeland, Kudistan? Wouldn’t that make your war of independence a meaningless cause? What is the point you are fighting us if you are not even gonna live in free Kurdistan and still live in Turkey?

And forcible relocation does actually work. Look at the population exchange between Greece and Turkey in 1923;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population ... and_Turkey

1.5 million greeks left Turkey in return 500,000 Turks from Greece steeled in. That worked perfectly well, nobody complains today.
Everyone should live in their own country, in their own house!

ironfist1923,

Yea, peace.
Anyway, there are some Türks that live in the ''eastern part''. If the Kurds had to move back east, then those Türks would be forced to move west also. How would you feel if you were forced to relocate because of your ethnicity?

Hello Turk,

or do you have to be an AKP-supporter in order to participate in here?

I can't see any difference between the AK- Parti, the Kemalist's or the MHPler...all of them are the same, when it comes to "Kürtcülük". I think it is naiv to think that the AKP is less nationalistic than the CHP - Turks are nationalists - in general ! There is just a difference of their style - the CHPler are secular, the AKPler are religious, but both would kill every Kurd for their interests.

You can have all the SE of Turkey... I never been to that part of the county and I don't think I will ever want to visit it in near future either. So you can have it all, all I care!

I like your idea, because I think there is no future with Turks...but why you never ask yourself, why all of your neighbours hate you ? There must be a reason, or not ?
Or, are all of this nations wrong, and just the Turks are right ?

And by the way, the southeast of "Turkey" is more beautiful than your Ic- Anadolu...and don't praise yourself with the west- coast of "Turkey"...we know that these regions were influenced by high- cultures, and not by Mongols...

PS: The change of demography is not that easy, as you think, but I prefer to be separate from Turks...

welcome to RBK heval ironfist1923 . Glad to have you here .

ironfist1923 wrote:@Barış (btw isn’t that a Turkish name?)

Londoner wrote:Welcome to the site. Forceable relocation is not logical but people should be free to choose where to live or how to live. Live and let live.

Why? I don’t understand you.. Majority of the Kurds in Turkey live in the western part of the country in Turkish cities (Istanbul is the biggest Kurdish city in the world). If majority of you support the idea of separation and seek independence (and I think this is what you want after all) then why would you still want to live in Turkish territory? Why not your homeland, Kudistan? Wouldn’t that make your war of independence a meaningless cause? What is the point you are fighting us if you are not even gonna live in free Kurdistan and still live in Turkey?

And forcible relocation does actually work. Look at the population exchange between Greece and Turkey in 1923;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population ... and_Turkey

1.5 million greeks left Turkey in return 500,000 Turks from Greece steeled in. That worked perfectly well, nobody complains today.
Everyone should live in their own country, in their own house!

That is your trouble if you can not live with other people. We Kurds have no problem with Turkish people but our fight is against Kemalist Turks, who are an obstacle to our progress and degraded Turkish people to become Europe's cheap labour.

We are not fighting kemalist turks and their one million man army man to create forced repatriation. The Kurds with their military wing, PKK, with the support of turkish people fight to create full democracy in Turkey so that all people of Turkey can become free to choose where to live or how to live. Good Turks always welcomed to live in Kurdistan.

Welcome to forum.

Why you say that about MHP?

Hayır, ben mantıklı oldugunu düsünmüyorum. Irkcılar tüm kürtlerin türkiyenin güneydogusunundan ayırmayı istiyor.

I'm central anatolian kurd, our ancestors were forced / came to anatolia in whole timeline 400-200 years ago. but i feel me never home in ankara or konya and i hate it.

nice that you accept that we must be seperate, and that turkey has nothing for kurds. istanbul kurds are forced by the state to istanbul. very little example is, where turkey burned thausands of villages in kurdistan, because the village people did not accepted to work with military with money. turkey supported the feodal system and burned the life of civilian people. i know many many of them that have lived this.

it is for istanbul kurd them self what they want, because it was not their fault that they run away from the state-supported feodalism and economic resouce wasting on only military.

hello and welcome.
I will welcome all nationalist people from all over the world .
and I think it is the best way that u said . give us kurdistan and we give u turkey .

Barış wrote:ironfist1923,

Yea, peace.
Anyway, there are some Türks that live in the ''eastern part''. If the Kurds had to move back east, then those Türks would be forced to move west also. How would you feel if you were forced to relocate because of your ethnicity?

dear Barış .it is not like what u think .....

kurdimemin_diako wrote:

Barış wrote:ironfist1923,

Yea, peace.
Anyway, there are some Türks that live in the ''eastern part''. If the Kurds had to move back east, then those Türks would be forced to move west also. How would you feel if you were forced to relocate because of your ethnicity?

dear Barış .it is not like what u think .....

Okey, Kurdimemin_diako gyan, I guess wasn't detailed enough. Well, I don't agree with İronfist1923's opinion that Türks should only live with Türks and Kurds should only live with Kurds. There are some Türks that live in Elazığ (Elezîz) etc... They are not ultra-nationalist Türks and they know the southeast belongs to the Kurds, and that it's realy North Kurdistan. They have lived in that area for a long time and don't wan't to leave their home there. I'm sure there are Kurds that would feel the same way regarding having to move away from İstanbul etc... Do you understand what I meant now? If not, please let me know.

I know what u say my friend .
but I am not agree with u .lots of kurds that now live in Istanbul or Tehran etc. they want to come back to Kurdistan if they can and lots of turks,persian or arabs who are now in Kurdistan they want to go back to their land.
KURDISTAN JUST for kurds and turkey JUST for turks.

If your goal happen, I not think it will. What if people are not pure turk or pure kurd? Where they go to?