Zaza people are pure Kurdish

[Johny Bravo]

well, I am sure about your hate about Turks. People outside of Turkey and younger people hate Turks more.

this is true, beacause the kurds and zazas in the turkey becomes propaganda of the state in schools etc. and dont know the reality.

are you a kurd or not?

Ti kutikê tirk, mi çand rey vat ke ez ZAZA wu!

[zurderer]

I know some. Infact, Until now, No zaza I met call himself as kurd..

I called them as kurd and they refused(actively).

Maybe, this thing happen at western Turkey.

[zurderer]

this is true, beacause the kurds and zazas in the turkey becomes propaganda of the state in schools etc. and dont know the reality.

Yeah, Kurd and zazas outside of Turkey know reality about Turkey much better than you..

My friend, It is not you suffered because of Turkish nationalism. I am sure they know Turkey better than you..

It is you, who dont know realities about Turkey. Reading a zaza nationalist sources dont help you much..

I am sure some people who live in Turkey will know Turkey much better than you..

[Johny Bravo]

I was for 4 times in the turkey, and i see zazas and kurds they love the HOMOSEXUAL and KILLER atatürk although he is at all debt! The people in the Turkey lives with a LIE and PROPAGANDA.

[Diri]

In Turkey, if you have a shop or a buisness, you're buisness will be closed in ONE DAY if you don't have a picture of Atagû on your wall...

[zurderer]

In Turkey, if you have a shop or a buisness, you're buisness will be closed in ONE DAY if you don't have a picture of Atagû on your wall...

Absolutely a lie.. (Thanks to God, I live in Turkey)

I was for 4 times in the turkey, and i see zazas and kurds they love the HOMOSEXUAL and KILLER atatürk although he is at all debt! The people in the Turkey lives with a LIE and PROPAGANDA.

I am not talking about Ataturk, but Turkey. They are living in Turkey and You think you know Turkey better than them because you come Turkey 4 time, and you read nationalist zazaki webpages...

[Serd]

We have already discussed these issues under a very very long topic. I guess
that was not enough for the nation of roj bash.

http://northerniraq.info/forums/viewtop ... 7720#27720

[Serd]

Zaza people are pure Kurdish?

That must be the joke of the year beside Turkish presidential elections.

That is absolutely wrong and need to be corrected because Kurds are the
pure Zazas. Kurds carry the purest Zaza blood, and they are the best
Zazas. Kurds were the best fighters in the Zaza army, and they still will.
Those Kurds who says they are Kurds or Turkish Kurd or Persian Kurd
don’t know their history, and many of them are the agents of Turkish
police. Those people want to divide Zaza people and Zazana. We won’t let
that happen. Most of the Kurds, around 80% consider themselves Zazas.
That is so obvious, not need to discuss.

Kurdi is just a broken dialect of Zazaish language. When we make a
standard Zazaish, we will solve the language division among us since
Kurds will learn the standard Zazaish, their only and true language.

Johny Bravo, Kirdun u Tirkun piya kutikuno. Mi ra cik ferq nikeno.

[Diri]

Zaza people are pure Kurdish?

That must be the joke of the year beside Turkish presidential elections.

That is absolutely wrong and need to be corrected because Kurds are the
pure Zazas. Kurds carry the purest Zaza blood, and they are the best
Zazas. Kurds were the best fighters in the Zaza army, and they still will.
Those Kurds who says they are Kurds or Turkish Kurd or Persian Kurd
don’t know their history, and many of them are the agents of Turkish
police. Those people want to divide Zaza people and Zazana. We won’t let
that happen. Most of the Kurds, around 80% consider themselves Zazas.
That is so obvious, not need to discuss.

Kurdi is just a broken dialect of Zazaish language. When we make a
standard Zazaish, we will solve the language division among us since
Kurds will learn the standard Zazaish, their only and true language.

Johny Bravo, Kirdun u Tirkun piya kutikuno. Mi ra cik ferq nikeno.

Serd... Did you read my response and oppinion on Zazana/Zazakistan in that thread I started?

Maybe you should take a look...

[Serd]

@ Diri

You make so many contradictory sentences, so it is impossible to understand
what you think about Zazas. It is my understanding that your views on Zaza
people are shaped around nationalism that is often far away from the truth.

[Diri]

@ Diri

You make so many contradictory sentences, so it is impossible to understand
what you think about Zazas. It is my understanding that your views on Zaza
people are shaped around nationalism that is often far away from the truth.

You're funny... Thanks for making me laugh...

If you still haven't figured out what I feel about Zazakî people, then you might as well give up...

I'll say it once and for all:

In MY world Zazakî are Kurds... But IF a Zazakî person wants to be viewed as "Non-Kurdish" I will of course respect that. But those Zazakî have to respect the fact that not every Zazakî feels the same way...

In my oppinion, every area should VOTE for what they want... THAT is democracy. If you don't have the support of the people, how will you be accepted??? And if you are not accepted, how will you go through with your plans???

That's how I feel... I am not an oppressor and not an ignorant caveman... I expect people to respect eachothers choices and I want everybody to live their own lives, without interruptions from outsiders...

Everything will be fine if people can go to the polls and vote...

But as we both know, that is not how it is in Turkey...

That's why we should stick together, as long as we have the same enemy - and then when we have gained enough rights, we can both go our own way!

[Serd]

@Diri

I make you laugh, really? himmmm

You are free to think whatever you want to. Unfortunately, what you think is
not very important my friend.

If you ask me, I see Kurdi a part of Zaza people. If some Kurds defines
themselves as "non-Zazaish", well I let them go the way they want. Though, I
believe those people want to divide Zazana.

Yes elections, the results of the past elections are around. Just go and see
who voted for whom and see the realty.

We should stick together. However, I don't see how we can do that when we
both don't respect our ethnic identity.

[Diri]

@Diri

I make you laugh, really? himmmm

You are free to think whatever you want to. Unfortunately, what you think is
not very important my friend.

If you ask me, I see Kurdi a part of Zaza people. If some Kurds defines
themselves as "non-Zazaish", well I let them go the way they want. Though, I
believe those people want to divide Zazana.

Yes elections, the results of the past elections are around. Just go and see
who voted for whom and see the realty.

We should stick together. However, I don't see how we can do that when we
both don't respect our ethnic identity.

No, now I am annoyed with you...

Because you are so stuck up that you don't see my open-minded approach to your ideas of a separate Zaza nation...

I showed you respect, and you showed me your sarcastic face...

You're not even worthy my words...

And you also showed that you didn't understand my words... Because I spoke of the moment when we can vote in a referandum - whereas you are so narrow-minded and short-sighted, that you thought mainly about today...

When I talked about a referandum where people vote for a Zazana or a Kurdistan, you replied:

"Yes elections, the results of the past elections are around. Just go and see who voted for whom and see the realty."

Now that I see that you didn't understand my simple message, I won't expect you to understand me now either... That's why I am annoyed... Because my simple message was:

"When the time comes that Turkey is divided, all the people of East Anatolia, can vote if they want to be part of Kurdistan, Turkey, Zazana or Armenia..."

Hope you understood it this time... But I won't hold my breath...

[zurderer]

But IF a Kurd person wants to be viewed as "Non-Turkish" I will of course respect that. But those Kurds have to respect the fact that not every Kurds feels the same way...

what about this? will you respect this too?

[Diri]

But IF a Kurd person wants to be viewed as "Non-Turkish" I will of course respect that. But those Kurds have to respect the fact that not every Kurds feels the same way...

what about this? will you respect this too?

Of course. Why should I demand that people who call themselves "Turks" to be Kurdish, when they don't feel like Kurds?

But the fact that people are not political (because that could risk their safety) does not mean that they are not Kurdish. They do what they have to do, to survive in a country, where Atagû is the "father" and Islam is the "mother"...

The first reference ("father") is to those who are Muslim, but who have different political ideologies than the "father"...

The second reference ("mother") is to those who are Non-Muslim, and who are as such, discriminated against because of being of a different faith than the "mother"...