Pan-Arabism and problems for non-Arabs.

[Comerd]

I found a really interesting text by Kaveh Farrokh regarding Pan-Arabism and clashes with Iran. However, Kurds and Assyrians and other people are also mentioned frequently in the text but that's not what makes it interesting.

Read it here:
http://www.ghandchi.com/iranscope/Antho ... rrokh7.htm

Please do open for discussion, I am interested in hearing other opinions or maybe we all share the same?

[Balci]

interesting indeed, but, should we be against pan-Arabists ? There isn't anything for us in that fellowship anyways, what about we Kurds instead joined a pan-Asiatic nation, With Russia, China, Japan etc. Both Persians and Arabs have back stabbed us, so what you think ? would Kurds in the majority be open for Pan-asiatism ? are we enough Asian ? and would we accept it ? I don't know about the Assyrians position here though, But I think an pan-Asiatic membership would've been great for us, we will be helped against enemies, and the economy would boost, what you think ? I do think Russia got ideas about an new ''USSR'' after all, and China would've been more then glad to join them for economic reasons if they brake their bonds with USA.

My whole point is that we should just forget Turks, Persians and Arabs, and rather concentrate on the future, in a huge organization with other Asian countries, my thoughts, USA will forget us when we got no oil, trust me, such has happened before, just think about the afghan wars in the 70's, where USA helped a minority fight against an enemy, in this scenario, Turkey, Iraq etc. is USSR, and we are like the tali ban, tali ban were best friends with USA, but when got no interest in them, they were ''Terrorists'' I fear a such thing with us too, we CAN'T trust USA. Honor to those who read all this xD

Edit: and what the fuck will happen when USA retreat from Iraq ? we are alone, surrounded by bloody turks and Arabs, who want us dead. Long live our future in a fellowship with fellow Asian friends.

[Darkseid]

interesting indeed, but, should we be against pan-Arabists ? There isn't anything for us in that fellowship anyways, what about we Kurds instead joined a pan-Asiatic nation, With Russia, China, Japan etc. Both Persians and Arabs have back stabbed us, so what you think ? would Kurds in the majority be open for Pan-asiatism ? are we enough Asian ? and would we accept it ? I don't know about the Assyrians position here though, But I think an pan-Asiatic membership would've been great for us, we will be helped against enemies, and the economy would boost, what you think ? I do think Russia got ideas about an new ''USSR'' after all, and China would've been more then glad to join them for economic reasons if they brake their bonds with USA.

My whole point is that we should just forget Turks, Persians and Arabs, and rather concentrate on the future, in a huge organization with other Asian countries, my thoughts, USA will forget us when we got no oil, trust me, such has happened before, just think about the afghan wars in the 70's, where USA helped a minority fight against an enemy, in this scenario, Turkey, Iraq etc. is USSR, and we are like the tali ban, tali ban were best friends with USA, but when got no interest in them, they were ''Terrorists'' I fear a such thing with us too, we CAN'T trust USA. Honor to those who read all this xD

Edit: and what the fuck will happen when USA retreat from Iraq ? we are alone, surrounded by bloody turks and Arabs, who want us dead. Long live our future in a fellowship with fellow Asian friends.

Japan, China, and Russia have used oppression against minorities in their own countries. China is of course willing to help other countries more so than the others, because it wants to become a world power like the United States.

What you need is to stop justifying an entire group of people by the actions made by a relative few people and form a united republic. Certainly there are many Arabs that want the return of the Caliphate. That is a similar goal to forming a United Western Asia.

But like I said before, you need someone to rally all the good people in these nationalities together for it to work.

[Balci]

China and Russia have at least oppressed their own people, Japan have just treated the Koreans bad under 2 world war, which everyone have lied behind now. Anyways, I don't think japan would join an pan-Asiatic coalition with Russia and China. The hard thing is of course to make this coalition, but if it one day should come, I would be glad to have Kurdistan in.

[Darkseid]

China and Russia have at least oppressed their own people, Japan have just treated the Koreans bad under 2 world war, which everyone have lied behind now. Anyways, I don't think japan would join an pan-Asiatic coalition with Russia and China. The hard thing is of course to make this coalition, but if it one day should come, I would be glad to have Kurdistan in.

You are forgetting about the Tibetans, Ryukyuans, Mongolians, Ainu, Ossetians, Uyghurs, Chechens, Buryats, Ingush, Bashkirs, Nenets, and a wide variety of other people that live in those areas.

[King Ashurbanipal]

Not many people know, but as an ethnic people and being a non-Arabs, we should by know now that the ARABIZATION is a political system very similar to Zionism. There is not a single non-arab people which lives in the middle east that is not caricaturised as a Second-Class-citizens, all the way from north Africa to Persia, from Turky to Sudan. We should be worried very very worried.

[K4L_2007]

interesting indeed, but, should we be against pan-Arabists ? There isn't anything for us in that fellowship anyways, what about we Kurds instead joined a pan-Asiatic nation, With Russia, China, Japan etc. Both Persians and Arabs have back stabbed us, so what you think ? would Kurds in the majority be open for Pan-asiatism ? are we enough Asian ? and would we accept it ? I don't know about the Assyrians position here though, But I think an pan-Asiatic membership would've been great for us, we will be helped against enemies, and the economy would boost, what you think ? I do think Russia got ideas about an new ''USSR'' after all, and China would've been more then glad to join them for economic reasons if they brake their bonds with USA.

My whole point is that we should just forget Turks, Persians and Arabs, and rather concentrate on the future, in a huge organization with other Asian countries, my thoughts, USA will forget us when we got no oil, trust me, such has happened before, just think about the afghan wars in the 70's, where USA helped a minority fight against an enemy, in this scenario, Turkey, Iraq etc. is USSR, and we are like the tali ban, tali ban were best friends with USA, but when got no interest in them, they were ''Terrorists'' I fear a such thing with us too, we CAN'T trust USA. Honor to those who read all this xD

Edit: and what the fuck will happen when USA retreat from Iraq ? we are alone, surrounded by bloody turks and Arabs, who want us dead. Long live our future in a fellowship with fellow Asian friends.

ive heard that the US have got permanent bases inside Kurdistan, so when they leave iraq, their still in kurdistan

[Balci]

lol, glhf with attacking us then xD

[Darkseid]

Not many people know, but as an ethnic people and being a non-Arabs, we should by know now that the ARABIZATION is a political system very similar to Zionism.

It is Zionism, just a muslim version. And Zionism in it self is just a form of fascism like Nazism.

There is not a single non-arab people which lives in the middle east that is not caricaturised as a Second-Class-citizens, all the way from north Africa to Persia, from Turky to Sudan. We should be worried very very worried.

I think we should just simply identify the Arabian states from Oman to Southern Iraq as those that are legitably a part of the Arab world.

Everyone else has some ancestory from the people that once live in the Middle-East before the Arab invasion. They should try to look back at those ancestory roots.



Dark Red = Actual Arab World
Light Red = Areas that need to be appropriated better in a division of what would be a part and not a part of the Arab World.
Teal or Blue = Areas that are considered a part of the Arab World, but truly shouldn't be.

I wouldn't disagree to a Muslim world, but I most certainly would disagree to an Arab World that controls areas in a very similar fashion that Germans (Nazis) were trying to control all of Europe.

People that live in the West Bank, Israel, Lebanon, Syria, and the Gaza Strip should start trying to identify themselves as Levantine people.

People that live in the Kurdish/Iraqi Turkmen/Assyrian/Turkish areas should identify themselves as another region of the middle East.

Egypt and the other Northern African States should identify themselves as Northern Africans rather than as Arabs.

[K4L_2007]

lol, glhf with attacking us then xD

here you go mate

http://indexresearch.blogspot.com/2006/ ... ional.html