The Only Peaceful Iraq is a confederation named Aram Nahrin

[Balci]

Diri lol, haven't seen him in weeks. But, how many Assyrians do want a land? if we ever created a multicultural region in Kurdistan, wouldn't you be more than glad to join in ? I know there exist one in Iraq already, but I think you would like Turkey better, doesn't seem like the Iraqis leave you alone.

Iraq 800,000
Syria 500,000
Iran 10,000
Turkey 5,000

131.5000 Assyrians - diaspora.

Thats 2/40 of what Kurds are, you should just preserve your culture and join us, if you were over 5 millions, you could try to start your own land, but this doesn't work out.

[Rumtaya]

But, how many Assyrians do want a land? if we ever created a multicultural region in Kurdistan, wouldn't you be more than glad to join in ? I know there exist one in Iraq already, but I think you would like Turkey better, doesn't seem like the Iraqis leave you alone.

We dont want a land, we have a land....we want our peace, rights, culture, religion etc. beeing preserved, respected and us as indiginous people full rights on those lands....

How you mean you wouldlike Turkey better?

The Nineveh Plain an area 5000 km² is pretty inhabit by majority Assyrians running to have this area under Administrative authority..

Iraq 800,000
Syria 500,000
Iran 10,000
Turkey 5,000

131.5000 Assyrians - diaspora.

Thats 2/40 of what Kurds are, you should just preserve your culture and join us, if you were over 5 millions, you could try to start your own land, but this doesn't work out.

131.5000?

you mean only 131 500 Assyrians in Diaspora? Chigago itself is inhabited by around 80 000 Assyrians...there cis two much bigger areas Turlock and Detroit...those together make more then 200 000 diaspora Assyrians only in the US...

then we have in europe around 250 000 Assyrians...thas minimum...

Sounds hart but no thanks no joining Kurdistan!

We could work something out like a Federation or a Union made up of diffrent ethnics in middle east...creating something like the EU for nonTurks,nonArab and nonPersians...

we could work a polticial,econmical etc. friendship suppourting eachother to gain kind of stability in politic and econemy...

Do you know how many States/Nations there are with fewer then 1 mio people having a state?
example is malta....
Cyprus...
Andorra

here is a list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... on_density

[sicpit]

The language the Sumerians spoke was Indo Iranian, no way if fucking hell were the Sumerians proto turk. I never once said that Assyrians didn't have their own empire up in the north. Sumer was in the South, whats your point? Sumerians as far as we know were the first inhabints of Mesopotamia


http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/mba/index.htm


http://www.sacred-texts.com has many sources for practically all religions, and myths, they have a decent collection of related to the Ancient Near East

[Rumtaya]

No you said that Assyrians where from the arabic pensual..
Are you sure Kurds are Aryans? I mostly hear that Kurds are a mix of diffrent people like hurrians,meds gutians, kassits,corduene etc...thus making them people of area mostly inhabiting the Zagros area....but when it comes to the language I hear mostly that Kurds adpobted the language brought by the Aryan invaders....
maybe the same which happend to Assyrians and Babylonians with coming of the Akkadian people...i.e. adpoting the akkadian language...


Sumerians where the first people to recored about themselves and their citystates and also their empire....

[Nishra-Ashur]

The language the Sumerians spoke was Indo Iranian, no way if fucking hell were the Sumerians proto turk. I never once said that Assyrians didn't have their own empire up in the north. Sumer was in the South, whats your point? Sumerians as far as we know were the first inhabints of Mesopotamia


http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/mba/index.htm


http://www.sacred-texts.com has many sources for practically all religions, and myths, they have a decent collection of related to the Ancient Near East

FYI, the Sumerian language isn't classified as "Indo Aryan" at all, universally scholars acknowledge their language as "agglunitive" similar to Turkish (Im not saying they are Turks) if anything. Nice try though.

I don't have to post any sources either. You can easily search and find out my claims are backed 100% and justified. have fun

[Balci]

I really want to make a federation with you and Armenians, my point is that you are too few to have a own land, we should rather form a federation/union as you said, and preserve your rights and culture, that would be the best option for both of us.

[Rumtaya]

I really want to make a federation with you and Armenians, my point is that you are too few to have a own land, we should rather form a federation/union as you said, and preserve your rights and culture, that would be the best option for both of us.

Thats not right my friend, that we have to few people....didnt you go to the link i gaved you?

[Balci]

uhw.. no, but you are too few
join a federation who protect you and your culture, or no other progress will be made.

[Rumtaya]

hw.. no, but you are too few
join a federation who protect you and your culture, or no other progress will be made.

We want to protect our nationhood!
And how many times should I tell you that we are not few!
When should a Nation declare itself as an independent one? whenever they reach more then 5 million people?
Then you ignore many states who have less then 1 mio people! you ignore their rights to govern themselves....

We are not FEW!!! The Nineveh Plains has at least 300 000 Assyrians, thats enough to creat an administrative area!

We can make a Federation whatever it is called...., but it should be just like the EU, where diffrent States/Nations gather together and form kind of Union.

The thing why Assyrians are few you can blame some of your tribesmen, turks and other moslem nations around Assyrians!
I am not giving my right up to have a statehood because we are few....!

[Balci]

well, if you ABSOLUTELY want it, then you should get it, a country with less than 2 million inhabitants and no allied in the region is doomed. And the best option would be a federation, but if you absolutely want a state, so be it.

[Darkseid]

The language the Sumerians spoke was Indo Iranian.

Sumerians are part of an isolated language family like the Basque. Indo-Europeans lived in present day Russia during the time of the Sumerians.

no way if fucking hell were the Sumerians proto turk. I never once said that Assyrians didn't have their own empire up in the north. Sumer was in the South, whats your point? Sumerians as far as we know were the first inhabints of Mesopotamia

Actually they aren't. There were cultural groups in Mesopotamia before the Sumerians, but they didn't develope a written language and they didn't have as great of a civilization as that of the Sumerians.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/mba/index.htm


http://www.sacred-texts.com has many sources for practically all religions, and myths, they have a decent collection of related to the Ancient Near East

Yep...

The point I would like to make is that the Assyrians are an ethnic group and because of that alone they should be given their own state. As for a nation, no hard fellings Assyria but the world is moving towards a nationless federation. We already have the UN, which is a confederation. Being a part of that confederation is the only means you will truly be independent but at the same time you would become Nationless by default even if you were as much of an independent state as that of the United Kingdom.

Your people, Rumtaya, are just going to have to accept that having autonomous land of any kind is more important for your survival than an endless conflict for survival in a futile and utterly horrorific struggle for the Assyrian people.

As you have said, Assyria is an island in an ocean of muslims, so how are you going to stay independent? My best bet is that your people should try to get autonomy from whatever federation you are brought into. This way you at least have the right to govern over yourselves.

[Rumtaya]

What did I say the whole time?
To work out a Ferderation or a Union like the EU....

Having in it autonomos Regions or Federal States....

[Darkseid]

What did I say the whole time?
To work out a Ferderation or a Union like the EU....

Having in it autonomos Regions or Federal States....

I'm sorry the only things I heard from you is how many Assyrians that were killed today, yesterday, tomorrow, two centuries ago, or two centuries from now by Kurds, Turks, Syrians, Iranians, or Iraqi Arabs.

[Nishra-Ashur]

I will have to agree with Darkseid and Balci on this specific matter.

First of all, this is 2007 and not 1915. We have to build friendships and alliances with our neighbors, especially the Kurds most of all. Why? For starters, we have the same destination. We have had the same oppressors. For the most part other than a few, yet major dark spots in history, our people have gotten along. Not to sound like an arrogant snob, but really when you think about it, what's not to like about Assyrians? That's why MOST civilians that neighbor Assyrians (Kurd, Arab, Turkman, etc) always love and trust Assyrians. Assyrians are loyal people, and have been pretty much humbled ever since the downfall of their empire and their conversion to Christianity.

I am not at all opposed to a federation. Strength are in alliances and numbers. As long as Assyrians have their own territory, handle their own issues, and have it under their governing then I don't see a problem in answering to an "ultimate" government, who, under an alliance, should have everyone's best interest in consideration by default. This wouldn't be like a USSR or Yugoslavia type of scenario. I believe Kurds are progressive minded people, who at best are liberal Muslims that don't mix religion with politics. They have come a long way ever since the no-fly zone was implemented. Nothing is perfect yet, but I'm confident that in time, the Kurds will remember their Assyrian friends and seek to help them in any way they can, and it's been underway for a while now.

I am first and foremost for my Assyria to be independent. But, that is a dream at best and you have to consider the enviorment. The U.S. will not have a strong presence there forever, and the people won't have it. When a democrat replaces George Bush, is when we'll find that out, and Americans will pull out faster than man trying not to impregnate his woman. So again, what the Assyrians have to do is work more with Kurds, become friends, so that the Kurds will understand the Assyrian plight that much more, and they will sympathize with their peaceful and friendly neighbors. While we Assyrians should always reinforce our rights, and our legitimacy in the region, we should NOT undermine the Kurds. That won't get us anywhere. The facts speak for themselves, and we know when "Kurds" arrived on the scene. Humans migrating is a norm, hostile takeover, no matter how unfortunate, was also a norm. We have to accept these as facts and move on. At the same time, the Kurds have to understand the Assyrian perspective, that we don't want to kick them out of any place, but the Kurds should be a little more inviting, and welcoming of Assyrians to return home. There is plenty of land for everybody. The Kurds have made good strides in this area, thus far.

I joined this forum with the intention of trying to better the relationship with Kurds, from people all over the world. I feel with the young generation communicating with each other, that old prejudices will soon be forgotten, and everyone's reputation becomes clean. I was reading before I posted, but unfortunately, its this divisive thread that motivated me to jump in on a bad note. I have a big problem with this specific thread starter, this asshole, who is a coward and wouldn't dare speak to his own people swamped by ARABS in Damascus, Syria. So my apologies are due to Darkseid, who clearly has good intention, even if he may be interpreting Subar in the manner I don't agree with, That notwithstanding, I agree with the principle of a federation, it is better for everybody. Now, can our people put their pride aside and make this happen? An Armenian, Kurdish, Assyrian federation would be ideal. We would be allied with Israel naturally. Nobody would dare fuck with us. I am officially on board and I endorse this as the best way for my people to survive. Naming it the Subarian federation, with individual states within (Kurdistan, Assyria, etc) would be awesome.

Under the above scenario, I would make English as the official language of the government, while Kurdish, Assyrian, and all other languages remain in local usage. Doing away with Arabic for good

[Balci]

Thanks for your support, yeah, I would love to forget the past and join you Assyrians, we could do very well in a Alliance/Federation, And then crush our oppressors.