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The Only Peaceful Iraq is a confederation named Aram Nahrin

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Re: The Only Peaceful Iraq is a confederation named Aram Nahrin

PostAuthor: Darkseid » Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:10 pm

Nishra-Ashur wrote:I will have to agree with Darkseid and Balci on this specific matter.

First of all, this is 2007 and not 1915. We have to build friendships and alliances with our neighbors, especially the Kurds most of all. Why? For starters, we have the same destination. We have had the same oppressors. For the most part other than a few, yet major dark spots in history, our people have gotten along. Not to sound like an arrogant snob, but really when you think about it, what's not to like about Assyrians? That's why MOST civilians that neighbor Assyrians (Kurd, Arab, Turkman, etc) always love and trust Assyrians. Assyrians are loyal people, and have been pretty much humbled ever since the downfall of their empire and their conversion to Christianity.

I am not at all opposed to a federation. Strength are in alliances and numbers. As long as Assyrians have their own territory, handle their own issues, and have it under their governing then I don't see a problem in answering to an "ultimate" government, who, under an alliance, should have everyone's best interest in consideration by default. This wouldn't be like a USSR or Yugoslavia type of scenario. I believe Kurds are progressive minded people, who at best are liberal Muslims that don't mix religion with politics. They have come a long way ever since the no-fly zone was implemented. Nothing is perfect yet, but I'm confident that in time, the Kurds will remember their Assyrian friends and seek to help them in any way they can, and it's been underway for a while now.

I am first and foremost for my Assyria to be independent. But, that is a dream at best and you have to consider the enviorment. The U.S. will not have a strong presence there forever, and the people won't have it. When a democrat replaces George Bush, is when we'll find that out, and Americans will pull out faster than man trying not to impregnate his woman. So again, what the Assyrians have to do is work more with Kurds, become friends, so that the Kurds will understand the Assyrian plight that much more, and they will sympathize with their peaceful and friendly neighbors. While we Assyrians should always reinforce our rights, and our legitimacy in the region, we should NOT undermine the Kurds. That won't get us anywhere. The facts speak for themselves, and we know when "Kurds" arrived on the scene. Humans migrating is a norm, hostile takeover, no matter how unfortunate, was also a norm. We have to accept these as facts and move on. At the same time, the Kurds have to understand the Assyrian perspective, that we don't want to kick them out of any place, but the Kurds should be a little more inviting, and welcoming of Assyrians to return home. There is plenty of land for everybody. The Kurds have made good strides in this area, thus far.

I joined this forum with the intention of trying to better the relationship with Kurds, from people all over the world. I feel with the young generation communicating with each other, that old prejudices will soon be forgotten, and everyone's reputation becomes clean. I was reading before I posted, but unfortunately, its this divisive thread that motivated me to jump in on a bad note. I have a big problem with this specific thread starter, this asshole, who is a coward and wouldn't dare speak to his own people swamped by ARABS in Damascus, Syria. So my apologies are due to Darkseid, who clearly has good intention, even if he may be interpreting Subar in the manner I don't agree with, That notwithstanding, I agree with the principle of a federation, it is better for everybody. Now, can our people put their pride aside and make this happen? An Armenian, Kurdish, Assyrian federation would be ideal. We would be allied with Israel naturally. Nobody would dare fuck with us. I am officially on board and I endorse this as the best way for my people to survive. Naming it the Subarian federation, with individual states within (Kurdistan, Assyria, etc) would be awesome.

Under the above scenario, I would make English as the official language of the government, while Kurdish, Assyrian, and all other languages remain in local usage. Doing away with Arabic for good 8)


Alot of which the Draneian party stands for is to create a secular country with equal representation amongst its distictive differences and to have regional autonomy as a state of its own.
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PostAuthor: hawk » Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:17 am

From what I recall from school, the only modern people that can claim direct descent from the Canaanites are the Lebanese, who are the descendants of the Phoenicians (Tyrians and Sidonians). All the rest can't claim to come directly from the Canaanites, and are a mix of all the cultures that ruled the country: Canaanite tribes, Philistines, Ancient Egypt, Sumer & Akkad, later Babylon and Assyria, Greece, Rome, etc. etc. Nevertheless, there's probably Canaanite blood running in the veins of all nations from the area: Syrians, Palestinians, Jordanians, Jews (not just Israelis, all Jews).
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Re: The Only Peaceful Iraq is a confederation named Aram Nahrin

PostAuthor: Diri » Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:55 pm

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@Rumtaya - I missed you too khoni! :D Thanks for remembering me...


Welcome Nishra-Ashur!!! :D

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Re: The Only Peaceful Iraq is a confederation named Aram Nahrin

PostAuthor: sicpit » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:08 am

Nishra-Ashur wrote:
sicpit wrote:The language the Sumerians spoke was Indo Iranian, no way if fucking hell were the Sumerians proto turk. I never once said that Assyrians didn't have their own empire up in the north. Sumer was in the South, whats your point? Sumerians as far as we know were the first inhabints of Mesopotamia


http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/mba/index.htm


http://www.sacred-texts.com has many sources for practically all religions, and myths, they have a decent collection of related to the Ancient Near East




FYI, the Sumerian language isn't classified as "Indo Aryan" at all, universally scholars acknowledge their language as "agglunitive" similar to Turkish (Im not saying they are Turks) if anything. Nice try though.

I don't have to post any sources either. You can easily search and find out my claims are backed 100% and justified. have fun

I never said they were indo aryan, I said indo Iranian. There is a difereance. I think the Punjabi's of Northern India, as well as Pakistan are Indo Aryan. I have since then researched the sumerian language. The sources I have looked at mostly said they were Aryan, and spoke an unusual dialect of an Iranian language. I am at work right now, so I can't provide links, as I shouldn't even be commenting on this at all.
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