Strengthen the Turkish - Kurdish Brotherhood

[Barış]

I'm for Peace for brotherhood.

[Diri]

I'm for Peace for brotherhood.

I love Turks like you, Bariş...

Bariş için mucadele etmeliyiz - We have to work for peace!


Only in a democratic society, will it be possible for the Kurdish cause to be heard with sympathy! War will only lead to more hate from both sides...


So working within the system is not a bad thing - but we must never forget who we are!

[eugenlitwin]

Please hold the discussion to a CIVIL level - no need to insult eachother...


The reasons people start to insult eachother, are: 1) they get angry 2) since they are angry, they are unable to think straight and come up with good arguments...


So next time you get angry: take a break - and come back when you are calm - maybe then, you will smack a good argument back at the words which angered you...

sometimes it s so difficult, especially with Mujahideens

[Diri]

Please hold the discussion to a CIVIL level - no need to insult eachother...


The reasons people start to insult eachother, are: 1) they get angry 2) since they are angry, they are unable to think straight and come up with good arguments...


So next time you get angry: take a break - and come back when you are calm - maybe then, you will smack a good argument back at the words which angered you...

sometimes it s so difficult, especially with Mujahideens

Do we have any Mujahideens here?

[Darkseid]

I'm for Peace for brotherhood.

I love Turks like you, Bariş...

Bariş için mucadele etmeliyiz - We have to work for peace!


Only in a democratic society, will it be possible for the Kurdish cause to be heard with sympathy! War will only lead to more hate from both sides...


So working within the system is not a bad thing - but we must never forget who we are!

Democracy won't do you any good if it served in the interest of retaining Turkish boundaries.

Turks: "Hey lets give the Kurds equal rights and privledges."

Kurds: "Yes Democracy INsures!"

100 years later the Kurds become Turks and the Kurdish identity as a whole is no more. It is like a peaceful means of death like dying from old age in one's sleep. I guess you've come to terms, Diri that you just can't fight the inevitable.

[Diri]

I'm for Peace for brotherhood.

I love Turks like you, Bariş...

Bariş için mucadele etmeliyiz - We have to work for peace!


Only in a democratic society, will it be possible for the Kurdish cause to be heard with sympathy! War will only lead to more hate from both sides...


So working within the system is not a bad thing - but we must never forget who we are!

Democracy won't do you any good if it served in the interest of retaining Turkish boundaries.

Turks: "Hey lets give the Kurds equal rights and privledges."

Kurds: "Yes Democracy INsures!"

100 years later the Kurds become Turks and the Kurdish identity as a whole is no more. It is like a peaceful means of death like dying from old age in one's sleep. I guess you've come to terms, Diri that you just can't fight the inevitable.

Then you have a different notion of "Democracy" than I do, Darkseid... Because the democracy I speak of, is not one which puts the state before the people... On the contrary it is one which put's the individual and people before the state...

And please don't speak on my behalf... You don't know me to know what I've come to terms with...

[Darkseid]

Then you have a different notion of "Democracy" than I do, Darkseid... Because the democracy I speak of, is not one which puts the state before the people...

But this isn't putting the state before the people. It puts the majority before the minority and Turks make up the majority in their own country, incase you forgot that Democracy was about the majority ruling society.

On the contrary it is one which put's the individual and people before the state...

You are obviously in denial of what democracy is about. Being that I unlike you am from a truly democratic country, I can rightfully tell you the real truth about democracy and that is a farse without any true merit or system to go along with it. It is like eating a peanut butter jelly sandwich without the peanut butter. It is like making bronze without tin. It is like trying to fly a kite without any wind. It is like trying to parachute without the cord to unleash the sale like material to catch you and gracefully glide you to the surface.

And please don't speak on my behalf...

I wasn't speaking on your behalf, fyi.

You don't know me to know what I've come to terms with...

Actually I do know you quite well already, but I can certainly see that you don't know yourself. You highly adore the idea of democratic pacifism and even seek to promote such an idea, but you failed to acknowledge the fact there needs to be a process to achieve such to become a reality. Your mind works certainly like a girl by admiring sensable truths and dreams, but also dismissing any logic and process of how to achieve. If you think I am wrong, then by all means prove it Diri. If you think I am perhaps insulting or offending you, Diri, then prove it and do know that this is not offensive to me even if we exchange positions.

[Diri]

Then you have a different notion of "Democracy" than I do, Darkseid... Because the democracy I speak of, is not one which puts the state before the people...

But this isn't putting the state before the people. It puts the majority before the minority and Turks make up the majority in their own country, incase you forgot that Democracy was about the majority ruling society.

Your obviously talking of the IDEA of Democracy and not it's practical reality... Let me explain to you:

"Democracy" is a Greek word consisting of two minor words: "Demos" and "Cracy" which mean "people" and "rule" respectively...

In a democracy, people have certain rights and are protected from prosecution when not breaking the laws. The rights they enjoy are: freedom of speech, religion, press and most importantly political organization - which means a party can run for government with any aims it wishes - even independence for a certain people - for example Kurdish parties for Kurdistan...

In a democratic Turkey, Kurds will be able to form political parties which aim at independence or autonomy or anything they wish... That is democracy... The same rights will be given to all people and none will face discrimination from the state in matters of speech, religion, culture or press or political engagement...

Obiously you have a very old and rusty idea of "democracy"...

On the contrary it is one which put's the individual and people before the state...

You are obviously in denial of what democracy is about. Being that I unlike you am from a truly democratic country, I can rightfully tell you the real truth about democracy and that is a farse without any true merit or system to go along with it. It is like eating a peanut butter jelly sandwich without the peanut butter. It is like making bronze without tin. It is like trying to fly a kite without any wind. It is like trying to parachute without the cord to unleash the sale like material to catch you and gracefully glide you to the surface.

You are from a "truly democratic country"? Hey buddy - I live in NORWAY... Not in Afghanistan...

Norway, like the rest of Scandinavia, is way more democratic than the USA will ever be in it's history... You sound just like a stuck-up arrogant American... 90% of Scandinavia and most Europeans hate the Americans for that arrogant attitude of yours... Perhaps we should attack you after we are done with Turkey...

Your metaphors are very cheesy...

And please don't speak on my behalf...

I wasn't speaking on your behalf, fyi.

Good...

You don't know me to know what I've come to terms with...

Actually I do know you quite well already, but I can certainly see that you don't know yourself. You highly adore the idea of democratic pacifism and even seek to promote such an idea, but you failed to acknowledge the fact there needs to be a process to achieve such to become a reality. Your mind works certainly like a girl by admiring sensable truths and dreams, but also dismissing any logic and process of how to achieve. If you think I am wrong, then by all means prove it Diri. If you think I am perhaps insulting or offending you, Diri, then prove it and do know that this is not offensive to me even if we exchange positions.

Oh is that so? I don't know myself, yet you a total stranger knows me well... Sounds like you should go into whitch craft...

You don't know me at all... I'm not a pacifist... And that's all I'm gonna say about that matter... You are free to think whatever your fantastic brain cells can cook up...

And you're realy flattering yourself if you think I'm gonna "prove" myself to you...

I think you are a rude and arrogant person, who thinks he'll get the best of me with this kind of judgmental behaviour...

[Marie K.]

I'm for Peace for brotherhood.

yea i really think u seems to be peacefull person but u arent really turkish, u just live in anatolia but ur turk (i mean turk-central asian) u infact r the "real" turk but those anatolia turk arent real turk: its a mixed nation..they havent really their own identity..

i really think that the modern turkish are mostly a degenerate race probably cuz they have mixed with too many people in the past (by sword in forcing people: greek armenian and so on)..maybe it can explain now what they act like that...i dont know if ur agree with that or not but ive noticed there r a lot of differences between central asian people and anatolia..

[Barış]

I'm for Peace for brotherhood.

yea i really think u seems to be peacefull person but u arent really turkish, u just live in anatolia but ur turk (i mean turk-central asian) u infact r the "real" turk but those anatolia turk arent real turk: its a mixed nation..they havent really their own identity..

i really think that the modern turkish are mostly a degenerate race probably cuz they have mixed with too many people in the past (by sword in forcing people: greek armenian and so on)..maybe it can explain now what they act like that...i dont know if ur agree with that or not but ive noticed there r a lot of differences between central asian people and anatolia..

Yea I live in İstanbul for a while, then moved back home. Yea I'm Türkic/Central Asian, You can call me Türk if you want. It's easier to say than Tuvan/Mongol. Yea a small percent are pure Türks in Türkiye.

I don't agree they 'are mostly a degenerate race'... There are racists in every country regardless if they're mixed or not. I think government is more to blame for the problem.

[Diri]

@Marie

Of course the Turks of Turkey have an "identity" - which is something which can be based on so many factors.... For example on nationality, ethnicity or religion... There are also political, social and psychological identities...

I feel you have a condescending view on Turks - but that is not good, nor constructive...

You should instead of trying to prove that they are "not realy a people" or that they are "a mix of many people" try to prove what the Turkish state is doing wrong politically...

And I stress the word "state" because it's wrong and immoral to generalize and discriminate against a whole group of people... It's called racism... And I don't think you are a racist... I think you are a person who wants to see justice and liberty... A person who wants self-determination for Kurds and who support human rights...

We can sit here in front of our laptops and desktops (PC's) and write horrific words about Turks and Arabs and Persians... But at the end of the day, we will not help our own people by doing this - we will only create more enemies and those who are liberal (Turks, Arabs and Persians) will be alienated by our hate speech and therefore turn against us like their extremist kin...

So be wise... Or wise up... No EU or US or UN is gonna help us regain our self-determination... Only we will... And if we can't - nobody can... That is why we must be sophisticated when we think and cautious as we act...

This is a message to everybody who reads this forum - and I wish for those who are provoked by my words or those who disagree to speak out... This is a very vital matter for us - and we should not be ashamed to discuss it...

Only today I read the most ironic article... A Kurdish politician representing the DTP in the Turkish Parliament has PRAISED ATATÜRK as if he were a god... Now how does a DTP member say such things?

There are several possible explanations. I think it's either one of two:

A) It's her way of earning acceptance among the Turks. By praising the founder of Turkey, she wins the trust of the Turkish people. But she has her motivations for it.

OR

B) It's the true policy of the DTP. They are following Apo's calls for "Turkish & Kurdish brotherhood" and his calls for Kurds to not demand any self-determination... But to demand human rights only - and cultural rights within Turkey...


It's fascinating never the less...

[Vladimir]

Yes, Apo use to call Kemal Ataturk great. But his ideology from a "democratic" Turkey changed again to "confederalism". In one of his recent speeches he also praised the Iranian-Kurdish brotherhood and said it's impossible the clashes will happen between them, because of their historical relations and that their relations will be strengthened. I wonder why PKK set up PJAK to fight against Iran regime then?

[zurderer]

i really think that the modern turkish are mostly a degenerate race probably cuz they have mixed with too many people in the past (by sword in forcing people: greek armenian and so on)..maybe it can explain now what they act like that...i dont know if ur agree with that or not but ive noticed there r a lot of differences between central asian people and anatolia..


Stupidy stupidy stupidy. It is a know fact, mixed people are more healty than unmixed ones.

Look at hatay in Turkey, Every unmixed people have their own illness.

Oh By the way, You have your own illness too. Holy horse.

[Marie K.]

i really think that the modern turkish are mostly a degenerate race probably cuz they have mixed with too many people in the past (by sword in forcing people: greek armenian and so on)..maybe it can explain now what they act like that...i dont know if ur agree with that or not but ive noticed there r a lot of differences between central asian people and anatolia..


Stupidy stupidy stupidy. It is a know fact, mixed people are more healty than unmixed ones.
Look at hatay in Turkey, Every unmixed people have their own illness.

i agree but i meant by this when some people had forced to change their original ethnicity and lost their original culture this is really unsane and have to be denounced..

Oh By the way, You have your own illness too. Holy horse.

what do u mean by this exactly??? definite it more..

[zurderer]

i agree but i meant by this when some people had forced to change their original ethnicity and lost their original culture this is really unsane and have to be denounced..


So You decide, If my ancestors are forced or not? or how do you decide, If My family lost their orginal culture or not? what is orginal culture? Culture is not a rock. It is like human being, It change It evaluate ext ext.

If you want to protect kurdish orjinal culture, You should stop to talk at internet and marry at your 15.. So you are destroying your own culture body.




what do u mean by this exactly??? definite it more..

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