Armenia ethnically cleansed Kurds,

[zurderer]

its conceivable but its not make them (the turkish) real Aryan..

Who care to be aryan? That is realy funny. Dont mind much, You can find only some mad turks who talk about aryan people.. I am sure, becoming aryan is not a plus in Turkey.




by the way, this i agree;-) but u know that they are too pretentious to admit this evidence// (not all but a lot)


And You guys should aware of fact, We have our culture(not mix of greek kurd, bla bla bla nation.) Cultures effected other cultures but this does not mean a culture is mix of other cultures.

Oh wait, Kurdish langauge is mix of arabic, persian and turkish. Kurdish culture is mix of turkish, arab, armenian,persian, azeri bla bla bla. Yes. It is stupid..

But you are doing this.

[Piling]

but the dna of Aryan people blood even if they have met some others people has still remain same.characteristics.

If you like wikipedia, let's read some interesting quotations about the so-called Indo-Aryan Race :

“ I have declared again and again that if I say Aryans, I mean neither blood nor bones, nor hair nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language… To me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar." --Max Müller.

"Many names have been used to denote this [racial] type, but the usefulness of most of them has been spoilt through their application to denote linguistic groups (e.g. Indo-Germanic, Aryan), and by the false assumption that linguistic groups are racial groups." --psychologist William McDougall

[Marie K.]

its conceivable but its not make them (the turkish) real Aryan..

Who care to be aryan? That is realy funny. Dont mind much, You can find only some mad turks who talk about aryan people.. I am sure, becoming aryan is not a plus in Turkey.




by the way, this i agree;-) but u know that they are too pretentious to admit this evidence// (not all but a lot)


And You guys should aware of fact, We have our culture(not mix of greek kurd, bla bla bla nation.) Cultures effected other cultures but this does not mean a culture is mix of other cultures.

Oh wait, Kurdish langauge is mix of arabic, persian and turkish. Kurdish culture is mix of turkish, arab, armenian,persian, azeri bla bla bla. Yes. It is stupid..

But you are doing this.

but anyway kurdish language belongs to indo-european family (iranian aryan)
and turkish language belongs to altaic family(asian)

[Marie K.]

but the dna of Aryan people blood even if they have met some others people has still remain same.characteristics.

If you like wikipedia, let's read some interesting quotations about the so-called Indo-Aryan Race :

“ I have declared again and again that if I say Aryans, I mean neither blood nor bones, nor hair nor skull; I mean simply those who speak an Aryan language… To me an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar." --Max Müller.

"Many names have been used to denote this [racial] type, but the usefulness of most of them has been spoilt through their application to denote linguistic groups (e.g. Indo-Germanic, Aryan), and by the false assumption that linguistic groups are racial groups." --psychologist William McDougall

lol im sorry for u ur a western who dont know too much about aryan iranian people...
"Aryan is an English language word derived from Sanskrit and Avestan term ārya- meaning "noble" or "spiritual". It is widely held to have been used as an ethnic self-designation of the Proto-Indo-Iranians. Since, in the 19th century, the Indo-Iranians were the most ancient known speakers of Indo-European languages, the word Aryan was adopted to refer not only to the Indo-Iranian people, but also to Indo-European speakers as a whole."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Iranians

but anyway about it:

"In Europe, the concept of an Aryan race became influential in the late 19th and early 20th centuries as linguists and ethnologists argued that speakers of these Indo-European languages constitute a distinctive race, descended from an ancient people, who were referred to as the "primitive Aryans", but are now known as Proto-Indo-Europeans."


its same for some Nietzche books german (3nd Reich) had pretend before the first world war in order to justify what they accomplished was the full idea of the nieztche ideology.

we know that they totally minuderstood it (cuz they werent very uncultured and rude who always promoted the physical force instead of the mental force)
and they had change the real original meaning of what nieztche wanted to aim..they were so blind...
but however still now in Germany some college arent allowed to study those books..-because of the 2nd world war)
u see how a presumption can be..
cuz Nietzche wasnt fascist..

ur all listen and repeat what u have heard????? without any critical thinking...it's a pity..

[Diri]

Seriously, Marie...

Are you calling Piling a "Western"?

Please, if you don't mind me asking: how much "Eastern" are you?

Piling speaks Kurdish... Do you?

Piling has been in Kurdistan many many months (maybe even years by now) and to many parts of Kurdistan, Turkey and Iraq... How about you?

I don't mean to get personal - but what you said (trying to discredit Piling by calling her a "Westerner") is not fair, but offensive...

Why don't you check out the BLOG here on Roj Bash Kurdistan - and you will see Piling is an intellectual of very high rank...

[Marie K.]

Seriously, Marie...

Are you calling Piling a "Western"?

ive never saying smth about personal things (contrary to others people u know who im talking about)
so what she said was totally western thinking that aryan people only means nazi and can be only related with the second world war & german...
and those one dont know (or dont want to know) the real historical meaning of this word.

However its not a offense to be a western or a eastern..u seems to have problem with that, just why?

Please, if you don't mind me asking: how much "Eastern" are you?

im not define myself eastern or western im only indo-european and living in western country..

Piling speaks Kurdish... Do you?

nooo of course except some words but its not count really anyway it isnt my priority at tha time i like learning languages so i can speak some german, russian and albanian & and im going soon to learn about armenian.language...

Piling has been in Kurdistan many many months (maybe even years by now) and to many parts of Kurdistan, Turkey and Iraq... How about you?

no but im not from Kurdistan but from Iran which is a real country present in every map oh dont get also personal its also not an offense;-).. ..

I don't mean to get personal - but what you said (trying to discredit Piling by calling her a "Westerner") is not fair, but offensive...

Why don't you check out the BLOG here on Roj Bash Kurdistan - and you will see Piling is an intellectual of very high rank...

i dont doubt about it...but it wasnt the point or if its open a subject about iq test ...if u seems to be interesting about it..

[Marie K.]

and one last thing i wanted to say and then going away its is really unfair what did u say, cuz before i didnt know that ive got part kurdi origin so how can i know a lot about it???

[zurderer]

My friend, You cannot find much people who realy care about aryan thing except older nazists and new nazists.


If you need a common point with your french and kurdish part, look for it at human being not ayran being.

[Piling]

I don't care to be a Westerner or an easterner, be sure; but if there is an Indo-European group of languages, it has nothing do to with race. Race don't exist. Languages yes. And people can change easily. For example, in Azerbayjan, until 13th 14th century, population spoke an Iranian language. And now Turkish Azeri. So are they Aryan or Turk ? Do you want to notice the shape of their head or their eyes to decide if they are Turk or Kurd ?

A current Turkish citizen has probably as such "Aryan blood" than you. And a Kurd could have a bunch of Turkish or Arab ancestors. So what ?

[Marie K.]

I don't care to be a Westerner or an easterner, be sure; but if there is an Indo-European group of languages, it has nothing do to with race. Race don't exist. Languages yes. And people can change easily. For example, in Azerbayjan, until 13th 14th century, population spoke an Iranian language. And now Turkish Azeri. So are they Aryan or Turk ? Do you want to notice the shape of their head or their eyes to decide if they are Turk or Kurd ?

A current Turkish citizen has probably as such "Aryan blood" than you. And a Kurd could have a bunch of Turkish or Arab ancestors. So what ?

a turkish citizen could have some of aryan blood ( greek or armenian..and so on) mixed with their original asian blood... but it wont make them aryan cuz first they wont to admit it and also they mostly keep their asian characteristic they arent related at all to real asia minor people..cuz if they were they wouldnt have killed so much them..

about azerbaijan and azeris its interesting u were speaking about it cuz i was looking also about their early history & i found it has two main theories about where their ancestor came from...
The 1nd said Azeri ancestors were an irani people (Median) who had to changed their original irani language into a turkic language (as a result of many turkic invasion in Azerbaijan)

2nd: Azeri ancestors had always been indigenous people in azerbaijan which was called before "Caucasia Albana" and would have to take azari language & persian culture and also changed their first own religion (christianism into zoroastrism)
Therefore mostly modern Azeri descend from the people who were living before in the Caucasus..
there are still some remnant of caucasia albania civlisation.. (the udis for example).

In conclusion the Albana Caucasus when they become Azeris (when they became persianized during Sassanid time) after times turk seldjoukides had come in there and tried to turkified linguistically the azeri but they couldnt changed the original ethnicity of the azeris it would means mostly turkic havent generally succeed to assimilate azeri but have killed some of them.But they had rather achieve to change a little some things in azeri culture.


Pilling about ur question if Azeri were aryan yes they do cuz some dna testing have revealead that their dna was closer to dna of caucasus people as georgian or dagestan (about azeri from north-azerbaijan) and were closer to dna of persian (about azeri from south-azerbaijan & north-iran)

My friend, You cannot find much people who realy care about aryan thing except older nazists and new nazists.

zurderer: not only nazi really they r still many irani who really care about aryan and so on.and mostly they arent nazi..i think its cuz some are disappointed about the religion and thus they try to looking for more information about their early history ..

[Piling]

and Iranians who are not "Aryans" but turkmens or Arabs or Assyrians and Chaldeans, what they have to do in Iran, that great "Aryan Land" ? Emigrate ?

DNA is nothing in a society. Culture makes a people, not blood. And it is a nonsense to think that a Persian is culturally nearer than a German than a Turk's.

[Marie K.]

and Iranians who are not "Aryans" but turkmens or Arabs or Assyrians and Chaldeans, what they have to do in Iran, that great "Aryan Land" ? Emigrate ?

DNA is nothing in a society. Culture makes a people, not blood. And it is a nonsense to think that a Persian is culturally nearer than a German than a Turk's.

ur example is interesting so if those people u said assyrian and turkmen who had since long time their ancestors who were living in iran and then have adopted as well iran culture it wouldnt be fair to say go away, u cant unite with other aryan people cuz ur blood was semitic or or asian if they feel they are iranian and do support iran cause (not arabic countries or turkey) its ok they can unite with other aryan..Some also might have gained some aryan blood in mixing with persian or other irani..
u right not only blood is important the culture and habit ,tradition, value..and so on..who have been shared by cluster people also matter..

i take for the azeri the genetic exemple to prove they werent turk at all cuz some people think because they spoke an turkic language now its means they are turk but its wrong.
about persian some can feel closer to german than turk..of course now they dont have too much things in common but for ex. when u take the farsi language and some others indo-european languages u can see some similarity.
And during Persia time irani were closer by their way of life and costums to european civilisation than middle east countries for ex. the women had got same rights than mens.

[Diri]

Oh please, Marie... Don't try to play a victim... I just asked you some honest questions...


And I asked those questions, because I thought you claimed Kurdishness... But obviously - you call yourself not half-Kurdish - but half-Iranian...

Fine by me... That explains a LOT of things... All this time I thought you were claiming Kurdishness, which of course was angering when taking your oppinions of Aryanism into account...

But now that I know you view yourself more of a half-Iranian - I understand your strong affection for Aryanism...


Anyway - you can be as much Aryan as you like... Although you should know that you have disrupted blood (your mother is French and has probably a lot of other European blood) - so you are not a pure Aryan... Just like the Turks, you are a mixed person...

Kurds aren't into that Aryan mambo-jambo... Thank God...

[Marie K.]

Oh please, Marie... Don't try to play a victim... I just asked you some honest questions...


And I asked those questions, because I thought you claimed Kurdishness... But obviously - you call yourself not half-Kurdish - but half-Iranian...

Fine by me... That explains a LOT of things... All this time I thought you were claiming Kurdishness, which of course was angering when taking your oppinions of Aryanism into account...

But now that I know you view yourself more of a half-Iranian - I understand your strong affection for Aryanism...


Anyway - you can be as much Aryan as you like... Although you should know that you have disrupted blood (your mother is French and has probably a lot of other European blood) - so you are not a pure Aryan... Just like the Turks, you are a mixed person...

Kurds aren't into that Aryan mambo-jambo... Thank God...

u wrond Diri about two things 1nd!aryan =indo-european
and french (as italian,german..,iranian) belongs to indo-european family and have shared same roots.
2nd: ive never said that i was pure aryan lol i dont think so,cuz of:
first the mother of my father was from Azerbaijan Republic and his father was from iran but probably about his ancestors (nobody told me that but i can feel that) were originally the first asia minor-anatolia people (surely they were either balkans people (albanian,bulgars or serbs) or either armenian, im not sure yet about it..
but they could have forced to be turkified (only in changing the name not the ethnicity) during some century, with times past, they could have mixed with some kurds
,i speak about quite old time, and then more recently they had been to iran..

its interesting to know more about our earlier ancestor.

[Diri]

Yes it IS interesting...

But one thing is if you have family records which have recorded the family's history... And another thing is to guess and assume things...

But anyway...

"Ethnicity" = Culture + nationality... Of course the people who assimilate lose their ethnicity...

You seem to think Ethnicity = DNA?

That is not so...