Last news : Kurds are not Aryan !

[Arashi]

And who are these "Zoroastrians" you keep mentioning? Zoroastrianism is a religion - a Kurdish one at that - founded by Zerdesht, who was born in Soma û Biradosta near Ûrmiye.

When you make statements like that, you should add that they are your own personal opinions - not state them as obvious facts.

[Diri]

And who are these "Zoroastrians" you keep mentioning? Zoroastrianism is a religion - a Kurdish one at that - founded by Zerdesht, who was born in Soma û Biradosta near Ûrmiye.

When you make statements like that, you should add that they are your own personal opinions - not state them as obvious facts.

It's not my own oppinion... It's one of three disputed claims... Two of which are "Kurdistan" - one of which is Afghanistan/Khorasan...

[Arashi]

And who are these "Zoroastrians" you keep mentioning? Zoroastrianism is a religion - a Kurdish one at that - founded by Zerdesht, who was born in Soma û Biradosta near Ûrmiye.

When you make statements like that, you should add that they are your own personal opinions - not state them as obvious facts.

It's not my own oppinion... It's one of three disputed claims... Two of which are "Kurdistan" - one of which is Afghanistan/Khorasan...

Yes, that area has had a alot of names throughout time...including Iran, Persia, Media, Elam, Azarbaijan, etc, which would make him and his religion Iranian, Persian, Median, Elamite, Azari, etc. I sincerely doubt that area was called Kurdistan at the time of Zoroaster...

I find it odd that a speaker of the eastern branch of Iranic languages, at a time when there were no mention of Medes, Persians, Kurds, etc, would infact be a Kurd, especially at a time when the Kurds didn't speak an Iranic language...Which points to him either not being in contact with these tribes, or they didn't exist at that time...

Furthermore, Zoroastrianism is a sort of a revolt against a primitive form of Hinduism. Were the Kurds Hindus? You're making kinda uneducated guesses here. If you care so much about "your" prophet, maybe you should think about taking up the Avesta sometime.

I wasn't aware that Rey was included in Kurdistan.

[missIndependent]

to Arashi: "Zoroaster" is the Anglicized pronunciation of Zardasht, a religious teacher from the Urumia area (now in Eastern Kurdistan near where Turkey, Iraq, and Iran come together) who lived around 1200 BC.
source: http://www.kurdistandailynews.com/KDN/www/ingilizi/Nuce_Inglizi/THE_KURDISH_KEY_TO_THE_MIDDLE_EAST.htm

so i guess it's not just Diri own statement.

[xosere]

@Diri

Good, then you should not brand Zazas Kurdish cause I don't see any Zaza branding himself/herself
Kurdish. But there are millions of Kurds who accept Turkish identity. Just watch this video

http://www.zaman.com.tr/haber.do?haberno=616538

They look pretty happy...

[xosere]

If these people claim Zoroaster is Kurdish,
I claim Zoroaster is Zazaish.
My bet is as good as their bet.

[Marie K.]

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2007/11/independentstate1778.htm

Too bad for the "Aryan Union" !
And it is a new bullet in the gun of Arab nationalists and islamists claiming that Kurds are Jewish agents !

but the fact about kurd and jews could be correlate between them doesnt mean kurd are from semitic (as arabs), by the way mostly modern jews arent anymore semitic, cuz many of jewish diaspora had intermingled with european (indo-european) people so those one had gained some aryan blood..

and this would remain only hypothesis which isnt proved and doesnt seem really reliable..
this one had been proved many times by science: "The Persians, Kurds, and speakers of other Indo-European languages in Iran are descendants of the Aryan tribes that began migrating from Central Asia. Into what is now Iran in the second millennium BC. "
(reference Iranica and Oxford Encylopedia)

[Marie K.]

Lots of modern day Persians have some Arab blood . I read somewhere Hewarami kurds are also very similar to Zoroastrians , hence the name Ahuraman ,which is a cognate of Hewarami.

yea thats correct many persian had no more aryan cuz during arabic invasion of iran they had being, by forced, mixed to some arabs..

[Marie K.]

Ataturk claims that Zazas, Kurds, Laz and others are Turkish.

as every other turkish had claimed in the past cuz turkish have choose to ignore their real ethnicity..which mostly isnt turk..

[Marie K.]

Kurds might not be Aryan, but they are certainly Iranian. Yek, do, se...

Aryan=Iranic=Kurd

so ur statement isnt logical at all and has no-sense..

[Marie K.]

one of my kurdish friend who know quite well Kurdish history have told me that: (i quoted):

"jews=semitic kurds=indo-europian kurdish traditional clothes explains every thing! jews came to kurdistan after their revolts against Romans! they escaped from their land, 1948 they went back to Israel! every they say is bullshit! if kurds are not indo-iranian nation why they have indo-iranian culture? they say kurds are not indo-iranian and? if they are not why their culture is 100% iranian and aryan? Lors+Bakhtyaris are not indo-iranian nations! they were old elamites and if you see their traditional clothes you are going to understand the truth! but they speak an indo-iranian language because of the Medes who kurdified them!. whoever! yes kurds are mixed between the Hurrians(maybe the oldest nation in the meddle east)and the aryans! but if you see the kurdish culture nonething look like caucasian culture! or none-aryan culture! the traditional clothes+the language+their faces.... every thing look like aryan, even genetic and DNA tests have showed that. Lors+Bakhtyaris they are not 100% aryan but we no. The jews culture+language is semitic they can never never never be relativ with kurds! ahhh


people says deferent things! they say sumerians were Turks! jews are assyrians! baluches are dravidians baluches are parthians....... ------> but! language is never important look at the nation's traditional clothes and you will understand the truth! ex: azeris have still caucasian culture while they speak Turkish!

according to Turks kurds are 100% turks but are they turks? no! the kurdish enemies try do every thing bad against kurds we know us better!

until now! Kurdish culture is as itself kurdish traditional clothes are more aryan (indo-iranian) than any other aryan nation!"

[Marie K.]

I found about the proof that Kurd are aryan this too:

Genetic studies reveal homogeneity amongst Iranian peoples and common origins

As more and more genetic studies are carried out comparing Iranian populations, the myths of the Western neocolonialists are being shattered - by their very own hands.

The evidence that the prehistoric Aryans were, in fact, indigenous to Iran and originated from the Caspian region is becoming ever more present, and the fact that Aryan Iranians have been racially-conscious and preserved their distinct and unique races over so many thousands of years, unlike the Europeans, is becoming ever more clear.

The neocolonialists oppose the purity of races because only the most diverse bloodlines are able to be easily controlled and manipulated. The more pure the bloodlines, the more aggressive and independent such populations will be.

What is true for one society is true for all: if the ancient bloodlines of the world are not preserved, then there will be nothing to stop the impending tyranny that will surely ravage and rend asunder the Earth.

"Populations located west of the Indus basin, including those from Iran, Anatolia and the Caucasus, exhibit a common mtDNA lineage composition, consisting mainly of western Eurasian lineages, with a very limited contribution from South Asia and eastern Eurasia (fig. 1). Indeed, the different Iranian populations show a striking degree of homogeneity. This is revealed not only by the nonsignificant FST values and the PC plot (fig. 6) but also by the SAMOVA results, in which a significant genetic barrier separates populations west of Pakistan from those east and north of the Indus Valley (results not shown). These observations suggest either a common origin of modern Iranian populations and/or extensive levels of gene flow amongst them."

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/j ... 40813.html

"Kurdish groups are most similar genetically to other West Asian groups, and most distant from Central Asian groups for both mtDNA and the Y-chromosome. However Kurdish groups show a closer relationship with European groups than with Caucasian groups based on mtDNA, but the opposite based on the Y-chromosome, indicating some differences in their materal and paternal histories."

http://www.eva.mpg.de/genetics/pdf/Kurds.pdf


so u see it had been proved by science u cant deny this fact..

[Diri]

Yes, that area has had a alot of names throughout time...including Iran, Persia, Media, Elam, Azarbaijan, etc, which would make him and his religion Iranian, Persian, Median, Elamite, Azari, etc. I sincerely doubt that area was called Kurdistan at the time of Zoroaster...

I find it odd that a speaker of the eastern branch of Iranic languages, at a time when there were no mention of Medes, Persians, Kurds, etc, would infact be a Kurd, especially at a time when the Kurds didn't speak an Iranic language...Which points to him either not being in contact with these tribes, or they didn't exist at that time...

Furthermore, Zoroastrianism is a sort of a revolt against a primitive form of Hinduism. Were the Kurds Hindus? You're making kinda uneducated guesses here. If you care so much about "your" prophet, maybe you should think about taking up the Avesta sometime.

I wasn't aware that Rey was included in Kurdistan.

What are you on about????

I said: one of the claim is that Zerdesht was from Afghanistan/Khorasan and the OTHER two claims are that he was from Kurdistan - one saying he was from Hewraman and the other saying he was from Ûrmiye. And this is not my OPPINION - but what some scholars say! Now get over yourself...

I'm making uneducated guesses? Why do you always have to be so impolite and use such inciting language? Why don't you just disagree without the tantrums?

Rey? Where is that? Is that the area in Afghanistan/Khorasan people talk about?

ÛRMIYE has NEVER been known as "PERSIA", "ELAM" or "AZERBAIJAN" - that is simply ridiculous...

[Diri]

@Diri

Good, then you should not brand Zazas Kurdish cause I don't see any Zaza branding himself/herself
Kurdish. But there are millions of Kurds who accept Turkish identity. Just watch this video

http://www.zaman.com.tr/haber.do?haberno=616538

They look pretty happy...

You're so wrong... I know MANY Zazakî Kurds... And they are proud of being Kurdish...

Your problem is that you think it has to be either this OR that... Which shows how narrow-minded you are...

You feel that it's a defeat for your Zazaistan if some Zazakî call themselves "Kurds"... That's your problem. I have no problem with Kurds who say they are Turks. To me, they are not Kurds - but Turks... Because they CHOSE to be Turks, not Kurds... Get it?

[Diri]

If these people claim Zoroaster is Kurdish,
I claim Zoroaster is Zazaish.
My bet is as good as their bet.

Why do you use the GERMAN form of the name and not the Zazakî form of the name: Zazaki/Zazakî...?

Why do you say "Zazaish"?

And your bet is a bet, while what I've said is based on what some scholars say - scholars = professors and people with Ph.D's - not bets...